[Game] Death Note Mafia Game #34

[TheLukundo]

@Thestatusquo is replacing @RedGloverKing immediatly

You can start to post
Do not discuss subs

The day will be prolonged with 24 hours

Zzz

 

[TheLukundo]

I slept in, for a while. I read SK's shit and once I caught up, I wanna respond

 

[TheLukundo]

Wait, no. **** that. That's a lot of pages. Lemme eat then I'll catch up and respond post at a time. I'll go back DW

 

[Nikamara]

Looks good to me




Howdy Alice, it's great seeing you again after such a long time. What await me behind your curtain, is it innocence? or death?

and more importantly, are you scum dear alice?

Why did you question Alice first out of everyone who had posted up to that point?

 

[Nikamara]

Don't drag me into this, speak for yourself lol! It's almost midnight here

I can townread this. This is a very specific meta comment that he could have just not said, as now he will initially see Alice in Noodleland as town, and reds hate townreading people, so they tend to avoid weird reasoning like this.

I disagree because it's very easy to just town read your scummates or town read someone to try to pocket them...

 

[Nikamara]

ah forgot to delete that Ace quote from this quick replay. I'm getting to it.

 

[Nikamara]

We should pile votes onto SoulKiller or Rej (or maybe Alice in Noodleland) for max info. I don't want people voting before the half way mark.

Any reason for this in particular. It's not my style, but I know several players who like to place votes to get a reaction from people and see if anything incriminating pops up.

 

[Nikamara]

VoteLynch: @Rej

How're you doing man? Happy new year

OT: No one. Absolutely no one from AB remembered my birthday

OT: was yesterday your birthday? It was also mine 21st of Jan

 

[Elmage G Ace]

OT: was yesterday your birthday? It was also mine 21st of Jan

January 1st! And Happy belated birthday

 

[Nikamara]

January 1st! And Happy belated birthday

OT: New Years and Chinese New Years then XD

 

[Elmage G Ace]

If he is purposely lurking and knows that people can see him, then that might be a good look, since he knows it will get attention. Though if he does this as green, then he might feel obligated to do the same as red, as it doesn't require much more effort, and it makes his playstyle look more similar.

Do you guys know if he lurked like this before, or if it is a new thing?

You're overthinking things, I always have a tab open when playing, so even when I'm not on, it could show me here. It could also be that I'm just ISOing a few suspects, either way, you can mention me to draw my attention

We should pile votes onto SoulKiller or Rej (or maybe Alice in Noodleland) for max info. I don't want people voting before the half way mark.

I understand why you'd want to vote to generate info and apply pressure, but why them exactly? What happened with them that pinged you? What criteria was used to select this three?

3 people have not yet posted, including TheLukundo, which means there is probably one red in there

This is cool though, but in your above post you just mentioned people you'd like to vote, wouldn't it be better to instead vote the group you think probably contains one red?

Also, why do you think lack of activity translates to scumminess?

So why are you voting her?

This is what PINGED me, I was talking about @Alice in Noodleland but I never voted her in the first place. I'd expect someone who has been playing 4+ years to be more attentive. Perhaps it was just a mistake, or perhaps it was something else... I'll find out @DENMON

What? I did? If my memory serves me well I RVS Rej

Just to clarify, this was my response. I voted Rej not Alice

Oh I thought that vote was for real smh

My problem is not a matter of real or RVS, but that confused who I voted

Well role and flavor info is forbidden, not to mention with this theme I suspect scum may have a daykill..
I'd be careful with what kind of info we share imo

What makes you suspect so? Please share

TheLukundo is town. He has most thoughts on everything when there isn't too much content yet. Elmage G Ace and Ansatsuken could have made reads on the same stuff that TheLukundo reacted to but didn't so far. (Although Ansatsuken is town )

I don't like this post. You're indirectly shading me here, while calling Ansa and TheLuk town, when there currently is no evidence to show they're town. What makes them town? Are you aware of Ansa's meta? I understand you know TheLuk, but I feel you're being quick to town read him

 

[Elmage G Ace]

Note: I've only read up to page 6, so my observations may change in my next post

 

[Nikamara]

hmm...there's something about Denmo's posts that giving me bad vibes. I'm not saying he's a scum but I'm sure I'm not putting him on my TR list for now.


I will look further later.

Elmage is giving me good vibes so far.

Why are our reads so different dear?

 

[Nikamara]

Elimination system: plurality, if wagons are tied at the end of the day no one will be eliminated.
Self votes are not allowed, however who doesn't vote at the end of the day is considered as self voting.
Votes will be sent to the host by PM, votes on thread will not be considered, the vote can be changed and the host will consider the last vote as valid.
If a lynch is decided, the host will write the name in the Death Note.

^ Just quoting that so I know where I left off. I am halfway, but due to my birthday celebration tonight I want to nap and then I will be busy so I must bid thee adieu. But I'm not leaving you empty handed. Here are some tasty Nika reads. If you name is here with nothing under it it means I don't have an opinion one way or the other about your alignment so far up to the post from Michelle above.

1. @SoulKiller


2. @Rej


3. NatsuDragneel123 @DENMON

Strongest town lean so far. Though I disagree with plenty of his approaches to mafia he’s perhaps the only person trying to hold the town together and sort through the confusion with his own methodology. And the help is extensive and not surface level. Unlike Fait, see below for details.


4. @Fait-Accompli

I voted him because his name highlighted at the bottom of the page. Figured some kind of posting privilege = quick feedback/engagement

Alice mentioned him because they either are very familiar with each other's playstyles or some kind of appeal to my previous vote.

Contrary to Alice, I did not like this post.

Brought up the possibility of what roles ppl would have e.g. Paranoid Bat Owner. Appearing to be productive, but really this is fueling a discussion which cannot amount to anything and helps no one.

How di you know the people I'm questioning are town? Is that a slip?

You know why I call you lunkundo, because in one game you gladiated me to death despite me breadcrumbing my towniess d1 (something I've already done a lil this game).

You seem incapable of reading me and that's cool but it does seem like several people like my work so far yet you have doubts. Maybe you are trying to spread the very chaos you are accusing me of or you are unwilling to afford to me the very same courtesy you will no doubt claim for yourself.

Other people liking his post doesn’t mean anything and doesn’t prove anything and shouldn’t be a reason for people not to doubt them. The sentence after that is is the equivalent of “NO YOU!” Also, don’t see how courtesy was relevant in this case. Fait seems overly worked up over a small push in the early pages of Day 1. Not a good look if you ask me.

The post right after this he ask Denmon to describe his scum game which I feel is yet another unhelpful direction to head towards. How would us knowing Denmon’s self explained meta help in this situation. Anyone can say anything they want about their own meta. XD Really weird question that again looks productive, but upon closer analysis reveals itself to be a lead towards a dead end.

I kept reading a bit and the scum vibes exploded in that post which attacks Luk’s capacity as player. It’s not a good look to use “You’ll look like a fool if you’re wrong/you’ll get mocked” as a defense in my eyes because it is akin to gaslighting (by means of belittlement). To his credit, Fait did provide an explanation for his behaviour but I don’t buy it.

I’ve never played with either of these people and I can only go based on what I see in front of my eyes O.O And Fait looks like textbook scum. The final nail in the coffin is this post:

Weve played several games together Luk, tell me, am I outside my town Meta now?

It is a complete 180 from the previous post where he was basically insulting Luk for the mere act of suspecting him and it reveals that he is worried about how he is perceived and staying within the range of what he believes is his town meta. True townie doesn’t have to worry about their meta.

Please note that I will ignore all meta discussing post because it’s easy to have your scum mate lie about your meta ._. I will look at each post with eyes unclouded.

5. @RedGloverKing


6. @Ansatsuken


First post didn’t seem very genuine imo

Ansa entering the field


Let's catch them.

7. @Alice in Noodleland


8. @Avon → Nika, Town, DUH!


9. @Elmage G Ace

Don't drag me into this, speak for yourself lol! It's almost midnight here

As far as first post go, this is a pretty bad one. The game barely started and Ace was already essentially saying “don’t look at me”. Also not sure how the midnight part is relevant to any of the previous discussion. Concerned about time and being discussed by others... noted.


10. @TheLukundo

Our reads lined up and that gives me a pretty good vibe

Will make a vote after I catch up, but at this rate it's probably going to be Fait

 

[SoulKiller]

also, luk

i think if fait is a wolf, sk has pretty high chances of being his team mate. that post on your conflict with fait was pretty wolfy imo, but only if they're partners.

vote : soulkiller

sup friend, you seem to be struggling. my world view is botched a little with me not knowing what your agenda is with the fait thing but you have not been villagery either way, so this works.

Mind elaborating on this bit? How exactly did you come to such conclusion of me and fait being wolf buddies?

 

[Fait-Accompli]

Been many years since i saw Deathnote but doesnt the badguy have the ability to kill anyone at any time? Thats why I assumed possibility of a scum daykill.

nikimara, you must have some interesting games here if the default assumption is to take arguably the most active (or second most active) person in the game questioning and challenging people is a scum tell. I suppose rather than pretend to be a newbie or so busy i forgot to play, trying to engage people is all part of a nefarious plot

heres some words you used. "Seemed" "appearing" "I feel" "looks" "not a good look". You seem realy concerned with appearences. There's enough hedges in your case to create a maze.

There something you want to ask me... maybe I can help clear up your... feelings

 

[SoulKiller]

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Is you asking if everyone is scum helpful to you?

I seem you misinterpreted what I said, I said from my own lens everyone is scum until proven otherwise, everyone starts as scum status and they either go up to null/townie status or they remain scum. Secondly, I did not ask everyone I asked specific individuals to see their reaction and I got it, it generally gives me a good idea about the person.

You because of the post that you just responded to (which meant that you read it, know how I felt about your posts, so why are you asking again? Just to fill up space?).

Nothing I post is to fill up space, everything I do has a reason behind it, even a simple gif has a reason behind it. I don't really like how you make it to seem like I am posting to just fill up space when you could of simply just answered the question without going in circles and trying to make something out of nothing, you picked 3 specific people out of everyone 4-5 pages in and discarded everyone else. So yes, I want a specific post for you to clarify those 3 people in detail. Acting so defensive about simple request and trying to shade me for asking such question does not look good on you.

You responded to a whole lot, and didn't write anything AI yourself, it was all fluff imo. There was some posts that I thought you could have responded to, even if it was one or two, that were AI, yet you didn't respond to them.

That is also not true, you breed activity and interact with members at the beginning and from that information starts flowing due to your activity and interaction with other players which then helps you make some opinions and see how people react to them, you keep painting everything I post as "full of fluff", "didn't write anything Al" but that's simply not true, I been doing my own thing to pinpoint scum. Also, the "I think there was some Al post I could of responded to but did not" reason is just silly to me. You can apply that reasoning to anyone including yourself, I can be like "why didn't you reply to this specific post" for whatever reason and decided to skip it instead? it seems to me you are just trying to reach for something that is simply not there.

Ya reds are capable of trying, and there are ways to find out if they aren't solving, like when reds ask questions that look productive, but never follow through on them. But here I think Fait-Accompli is genuine here. And if anything, there are plenty of other reasons to townread him imo (some stuff I will mention day 2 cause I don't want to change behavior)

I disagree regarding fait being townie here but I will get to it later.

And again here, you respond to so many posts, yet you seem to miss so much information. Idk how to multiquote but here: (P#46)

Ansatsuken's post:
"So I see Alice never mentioned my name or "attacked" me out of nothing like in the previous game where she was a mafia. Yeah I'm being fooled there to think that was town Alice in play. But here in this game I'm going to be more cautious and critical around her. I see different kind of game here, I mean that's your typical Alice's game play but I'm not going to say it's town Alice here just because she's never mentioned my name so far into this game. "

My Response :
"I can townread this. This is a very specific meta comment that he could have just not said, as now he will initially see Alice in Noodleland as town, and reds hate townreading people, so they tend to avoid weird reasoning like this."

Again with the "respond to so many post but miss so much information", you stated that Ansa is townie and you seemed confident about it from a single post Ansa made which I found that very fishy because I am scum reading Ansa right now, you could of said he is a townie read because of that post but to straight up say he is townie requires alot of confidence and I am not sure what Ansa offered so far support that confidence of yours. He made a single post and it was reply as of that, and because of it you town read the dude, don't you think you are going easy or giving him free pass? what other did he do? see coming up to conclusions without any valid reasoning behind it.

 

[SoulKiller]

Aight but lots would disagree. Ya you shouldn't townread me for linking my red game

Not sure how you came to this conclusion, because I never said I town read you for linking your red game. If anything I scum read you for it.

but meta is a fine source of reasoning imo. At least you shouldn't just use meta to solve someone, it should only supplement your other reasoning on the guy.

Meta is also a fine source to screw you over big time because the reasoning does not follow through the next game if a person is capable of adjusting his game and will eventually bite you back.

And it's hard to have played with someone a lot and just never talk about your past experiences I would think

That's where the fun comes into play, I don't want to see your meta games or your past experience, what you do right now is the only thing my eyes will see and only form reasoning I need. My experience and my trust in myself will judge if you are townie or not. I don't need no meta games.

 

[SoulKiller]

All taht yet you jokingly voted on Luk for his play here vs a past game except it wasnt a joke because you then said 'Come on Luk, you know I dont place votes for no reason.' But then you like Luk now?

This seems inconsistent.

I am not sure we are playing the game here because I never voted for Luk and I never made any statements regarding his play in this game or past. I simply stated I remember last time I saw him he was scum and it was done in purpose to gauge his reaction, nothing more and nothing less. The fact that you even came up to such conclusion tells me you either not paying attention to the game or you simply don't care to pay any attention to what is going on and both are scum qualities.

Like this entire post is scummy.

 

[SoulKiller]

i acknowledge the point that you're making on her, but I'd personally not apply that to her. maybe you're right tho.

and i guess i'll have to bring you down a few tiers then, because the dayvigi thing ~could be posted by a wolf (although i don't see the point, i guess if you are a wolf then you really attempt to go for every thing that can get you villa read by derping around)

kinda curious why you haven't reacted to my post on sk and you being potentially w/w though. did you not feel like i could be pushing a weird narrative on you?

You are pushing a weird narrative which I am still not sure where it stems from exactly. Like there is no baseline to all of this.