[Game] Death Note Mafia Game #34

Who is the MVP of this game?

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Guillotina

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A Jailkeeper cannot stop a from committing a kill (regardless of who they target), and does not prevent other players from targeting their target with non-killing actions (e.g. if a and Jailkeeper target the same player, the Watcher will see the Jailkeeper's action).

What you describe is an Alien. Just took it from the Mafiascum wiki. MU wiki says the same.
Commuting is processed first on top of strongman. Strongman breaks through BLOCKS, you cannot break through a block if the target cannot be found.
 
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Let's say it works, what's that do to balance. Alice becomes confirmed town but unable to be protected against strong arm. It's either read as I am lock town or I was scum killer and blocked. Guillo loses his kill for the night.

It's probably a town win with masons, an IC...

I'm glad I don't make games anymore
 

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Let's say it works, what's that do to balance. Alice becomes confirmed town but unable to be protected against strong arm. It's either read as I am lock town or I was scum killer and blocked. Guillo loses his kill for the night.

It's probably a town win with masons, an IC...

I'm glad I don't make games anymore
That's not counting the BPV, the other protector etc
 

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Commuting is processed first on top of strongman. Strongman breaks through BLOCKS, you cannot break through a block if the target cannot be found.
A strongman bypasses protective abilities (including vests) and kills it's target unless it's untargetable.
A jailkeeper is protective unless it's an Alien, the Alien is a sub-category of a jailkeeper that abducts/commutes it's target instead making it untargetable and any action fail on them.
The basic jailkeeper is considered protective and a strongman bypasses protective. A commuter or an alien is a manipulative role since abductions/untargetability are manipulative falling under the category of role-manipulation.
An attack that bypasses a role-BLOCK is an "unstoppable" attack. And an attack is rarely unstoppable plus strongman unless the setup is made to be crazy.
 

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A strongman bypasses protective abilities (including vests) and kills it's target unless it's untargetable.
A jailkeeper is protective unless it's an Alien, the Alien is a sub-category of a jailkeeper that abducts/commutes it's target instead making it untargetable and any action fail on them.
The basic jailkeeper is considered protective and a strongman bypasses protective. A commuter or an alien is a manipulative role since abductions/untargetability are manipulative falling under the category of role-manipulation.
An attack that bypasses a role-BLOCK is an "unstoppable" attack. And an attack is rarely unstoppable plus strongman unless the setup is made to be crazy.
Then it is wrong. Jailkeep does not protect, it prevents. Otherwise Strongman is the most broken abilitu in mafia as it does not have a counter.

The mistake everyone is doing is considering JK a protection ability when is an avoider ability like commuting.
 

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I think Rej is right btw, as JK is watchable trackable, they are physically visiting their target and acting to restrain/ protect them. The strong man bypasses physical protections, thus bypasses the jailkeeper.

Had alice not been trackable then OK, like she just teleported me to jail, then yeah, Strong man doesn't bypass that
 

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Yah i think JK was made to counter Strongman but everyone made the mistake of categorizing it as a protective. By logic a strongman cannot hit something that cannot be found and that is half of what jk does, it vanishes a player from a night and then RBs him
 

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Yah i think JK was made to counter Strongman but everyone made the mistake of categorizing it as a protective. By logic a strongman cannot hit something that cannot be found and that is half of what jk does, it vanishes a player from a night and then RBs him
What counters strongman are abductive/manipulative roles.
You either roleblock the strongman or you switch your target or make it untargetable.
Strongman only absolutely kills the target if it's targetable unless you add a mechanic like a strongman protection.
 

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so yeah if the jailkeeper is advanced, like you add your own spice to the jailkeeper or make it an Alien or Hostagetaker then that is completely fine

edit: but it has to be noted in the role, in the opening post or in the representative mafia guide
 
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