[Discussion] DD Vs Mera Sabo

[bajram]

You actually aren't saying anything different from what I was in a way that wasn't contradictory to yourself. Garp's mental state, no matter what it is, wouldn't stop him from neg diffing Luffy, and yet that's exactly what happened. That's exactly what the bolded part means you're saying.

The comparison is fair because it displays two scenarios where someone, despite being clearly stronger than the someone else, ended up being struck by that person because of their emotions affecting their mental state with both attacks being too weak to actually damage the person significantly.

Doffy killed his father and brother, yes, but that doesn't mean he didn't feel anything while doing so. His expression while killing Rocinante clearly displayed that the ordeal had an emotional effect on him. He wants to brutally kill Law, but he also commented that it was a shame he had to do so, meaning he'd prefer if he didn't have to do so. He said he thought of Law as though he were like his little brother. These mean emotional attachments, regardless of how unmerciful and vengeful Doffy is. No way around that. This obviously isn't petty shit to Doffy, otherwise he wouldn't be so upset about it. You're using the term petty shit to describe all that's happening now because Doffy used that to describe what happened in Dressrosa ten years ago, evoking a sense of familiarity to those who read your post to try and force pseudo-agreement because it gives off a sense of ¨That sounds right¨ due to the familiarity, but I digress.

U dont seem to have read my final sentence there, but oh nvm...

The mental state is completely different, in one case is the mental state of love and afraid of losing someone u love in the other is sheer anger for getting betrayed by a man that once worked under him in case of betrayal he killed his brother and because of his misfortunes he killed his father what makes u think he still hold attachment's to law after all this? And no garp and luffy may have been far cry in terms of power but not doffy and law, Oda isnt going to give us the final fight of the arc a doffy who isnt at full power because of mental state, he actually want's to massacre them for destroying the country he's been residing in for 10 years.

My point still stand's the guy is in a bloodlusted state where he could kill anyone in cold blood, He may have a bit of attachment to his brother an father but then again he killed them without a second thought, and especially in this case considering what law has done to him, a bloodlust'ed character should be stronger and more aggressive in the fight but instead he is giving a sloppy display against law, my point still stand's that this isnt a case of mental state for the poor fight dofla is giving this just tells his limits as a fighter.

 

[Punk Hazard]

U dont seem to have read my final sentence there, but oh nvm...

The mental state is completely different, in one case is the mental state of love and afraid of losing someone u love in the other is sheer anger for getting betrayed by a man that once worked under him in case of betrayal he killed his brother and because of his misfortunes he killed his father what makes u think he still hold attachment's to law after all this? And no garp and luffy may have been far cry in terms of power but not doffy and law, Oda isnt going to give us the final fight of the arc a doffy who isnt at full power because of mental state, he actually want's to massacre them for destroying the country he's been residing in for 10 years.

My point still stand's the guy is in a bloodlusted state where he could kill anyone in cold blood, He may have a bit of attachment to his brother an father but then again he killed them without a second thought, and especially in this case considering what law has done to him, a bloodlust'ed character should be stronger and more aggressive in the fight but instead he is giving a sloppy display against law, my point still stand's that this isnt a case of mental state for the poor fight dofla is giving this just tells his limits as a fighter.

The mental states being completely different is not the point, the point is mental state can affect the way you perform. For Garp, it stopped him from launching Luffy halfway across Marineford. Doffy's mental state is rage and bloodlust. That can cause you to fight hard and relentlessly. It can also cost you your composure. Your fighting gets sloppy, sometimes by a margin, sometimes by a lot. You do irrational things. That is what could have happened with Doffy and Law. If you think anger and rage only makes you fight better, then you have a poor understanding of how anger works. If you think Doffy has no attachment to Law whatsoever, then you have been paying very poor attention. Doffy is just the type of person who can separate himself from his attachments; he is a person capable of killing someone he has attachments to if they piss him off enough.

 

[bajram]

The mental states being completely different is not the point, the point is mental state can affect the way you perform. For Garp, it stopped him from launching Luffy halfway across Marineford. Doffy's mental state is rage and bloodlust. That can cause you to fight hard and relentlessly. It can also cost you your composure. Your fighting gets sloppy, sometimes by a margin, sometimes by a lot. You do irrational things. That is what could have happened with Doffy and Law. If you think anger and rage only makes you fight better, then you have a poor understanding of how anger works. If you think Doffy has no attachment to Law whatsoever, then you have been paying very poor attention. Doffy is just the type of person who can separate himself from his attachments; he is a person capable of killing someone he has attachments to if they piss him off enough.

Anger and mental state in manga =/= in real life, we had plenty of times when a character was angry and went apeshit in manga, in all the cases in almost every case the anger against someone affected in fighting better, we had Sai, WB, Luffy and many other fighters who fought across they're limits because of the rage they build up for someone, it just doesnt sit well with me that doflamingo is having a poor performance just because of his mental state, even if that affects him in a bad way its not supposed to hit him so bad that it went from ppl considering the guy admiral level to fighting on even grounds with a beaten up and a law that just went under a operation, and its a manga really u dont have to think it that deep on how his mental state affects him, it sounds like ur trying to make his portrayal better instead of sticking to the manga's clear display of doflamingo, really.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Anger and mental state in manga =/= in real life, we had plenty of times when a character was angry and went apeshit in manga, in all the cases in almost every case the anger against someone affected in fighting better, we had Sai, WB, Luffy and many other fighters who fought across they're limits because of the rage they build up for someone, it just doesnt sit well with me that doflamingo is having a poor performance just because of his mental state, even if that affects him in a bad way its not supposed to hit him so bad that it went from ppl considering the guy admiral level to fighting on even grounds with a beaten up and a law that just went under a operation, and its a manga really u dont have to think it that deep on how his mental state affects him, it sounds like ur trying to make his portrayal better instead of sticking to the manga's clear display of doflamingo, really.

I couldn't care less if it doesn't sit well with you. And we've had cases where someone's mental caused them to act irrationally. That's what led to Ace being captured by Teach. It's what led to Enel getting tagged so much by Luffy. It's what led to Crocodile's defeat. And, probably the most obvious, IT'S WHAT LED TO GARP GETTING PUNCHED BY LUFFY. The last of which you conceded to. Making the very first statement in your post hypocritical. Garp's mental state excuses what happened to him, but Doffy's doesn't his? Just because it doesn't tickle your nipples? Get real.

 

[bajram]

I couldn't care less if it doesn't sit well with you. And we've had cases where someone's mental caused them to act irrationally. That's what led to Ace being captured by Teach. It's what led to Enel getting tagged so much by Luffy. It's what led to Crocodile's defeat. And, probably the most obvious, IT'S WHAT LED TO GARP GETTING PUNCHED BY LUFFY. The last of which you conceded to. Making the very first statement in your post hypocritical. Garp's mental state excuses what happened to him, but Doffy's doesn't his? Just because it doesn't tickle your nipples? Get real.

Ace getting captured by teach was not because of mental causes its because teach was stronger than ace, Enel was first caught off guard because of not knowing of the existence of rubber after that he was controling his COO pretty good and luffy was able to hit him only due to luffy's tactic's on hitting him, crocodile lost because he has poor physical abilities and speed which were weaker than luffy, the only thing from stopping luffy to beat the shit out of him was his intangibility, he accepted that during marineford where he backed up in the though of luffy attacking him, and the last one iv'e explained many times why this case is completely different but ur think head doesnt seem to get it, u are using the garp excuse to cover the poor performance of doffy, the thought of comparing someone that fights an admiral and someone that fights on equal ground to law was stupid from the start, and I'm excepting this from daily wankers after luffy beats doff in a fight.

It was PIS!...or mental state Lol

 

[Punk Hazard]

Ace getting captured by teach was not because of mental causes its because teach was stronger than ace, Enel was first caught off guard because of not knowing of the existence of rubber after that he was controling his COO pretty good and luffy was able to hit him only due to luffy's tactic's on hitting him, crocodile lost because he has poor physical abilities and speed which were weaker than luffy, the only thing from stopping luffy to beat the shit out of him was his intangibility, he accepted that during marineford where he backed up in the though of luffy attacking him, and the last one iv'e explained many times why this case is completely different but ur think head doesnt seem to get it, u are using the garp excuse to cover the poor performance of doffy, the thought of comparing someone that fights an admiral and someone that fights on equal ground to law was stupid from the start, and I'm excepting this from daily wankers after luffy beats doff in a fight.

It was PIS!...or mental state Lol

Him pursuing Teach was an irrational decision he made because he was angry. It was an example of mental state affecting what you do.

Enel's mental state was that he was unbeatable, causing him to let down his guard way more than he should have multiple times. That's what led to Luffy being able to get so many blows in.

Many people agree that Crocodile lost his composure during the third fight, hence why he made some bad decisions. Most notably, not using his power to dry up Luffy.

And Garp, I've already explained to you. The only difference is the emotion that led to the inhibiting mental state. If you don't see it, sucks for you.

 

[bajram]

Him pursuing Teach was an irrational decision he made because he was angry. It was an example of mental state affecting what you do.

Enel's mental state was that he was unbeatable, causing him to let down his guard way more than he should have multiple times. That's what led to Luffy being able to get so many blows in.

Many people agree that Crocodile lost his composure during the third fight, hence why he made some bad decisions. Most notably, not using his power to dry up Luffy.

And Garp, I've already explained to you. The only difference is the emotion that led to the inhibiting mental state. If you don't see it, sucks for you.

Going by your logic then every fight in OP is a mental state affecting the fighters, going by that we wont ever know the fighters power levels because they are in constant mental state that affects they're power?

All I see is excuse's to try covering up a wanked character that isnt as strong as ppl think, this is getting proven by the manga but instead u try ur own hypothesis to prove it otherwise, nice try tho.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Going by your logic then every fight in OP is a mental state affecting the fighters, going by that we wont ever know the fighters power levels because they are in constant mental state that affects they're power?

All I see is excuse's to try covering up a wanked character that isnt as strong as ppl think, this is getting proven by the manga but instead u try ur own hypothesis to prove it otherwise, nice try tho.

All I see are excuses meant to reinforce what you want to be true. We can both label what we're saying as excuses, terrible argument.