Darui vs Zabuza

[WreckRolled]

Is that not how he starts like every battle he has ever been in?

indeed but now he s not the only attacker

 

[Apêx1]

I'll concede on the black lightining thing on the water. Tough, Zabuza dodges anyways, read down there.

Darui did never speed blitz nor Kinkkaku or Ginkkaku, i've read that fight a lot of times. He only had faster striking speed for CQC, but he never surpassed them in sunshin. And also, there's no indication that base Kin and Gin are faster than part 1 Kakashi (who Zabuza speed blitzed). So zabuza's speed feats are better than Darui's when it comes to Sunshin, but ofc, Darui surpasses him on CQC and striking speed, but that's not Zabuza's fighting style anyways.

Darui arriving at the same time Ay did doesn't mean anything, lmao. Ay could've been just waiting for Darui to get there at the same time.. Nothing to do with battle speed. If we were to use that logic then Hiruzen has the same sunshin Tobirama and Hashirama have.

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his striking speed being fast doesn't mean he didn't move a distance nigh instantly without them bing able to react. There's no indication that two people are faster then Part 1 kakashi when their hype alone makes Part 1 Kakashi seem like Konohamaru? Pls.

All baseless. Ay was trying to kill Sasuke and his team, he wasn't going to wait for Darui to reach, that makes no sense. He was obviously not going to waste an opportunity by waiting on his subordinate, thus he undeniably moved at full speed. Darui reached at the same exact time. Deal with it. And no, that's not 'by logic' because that was a huge distance in which it was not all Shunshin. You can't shunshin for such a large distance anyways. By your example I would then say Shino is as fast as Kakashi and Naruto because they kept up with him while crossing a few kilometres, but that's not the case. Crossing a short distance with Shunshin however, is an undeniable example whether you like it or not. Clearly everything to do with battle speed.

The laser circus gets dodged because Darui wouldn't be pointing it, since he wouldn't see shit inside the mist, so his "guided" projectiles would be guided towards an unknown position, since he doesn't know where Zabuza is, so Zabuza easely avoids getting hit by it.

Why are you mentioning shit I didn't even say? Black Panther ends this.

You didn't understand my point with the clones, damn, i clearly explained that the clones are just there to give Zabuza time. Yes, they die before puting up a fight, but Zabuza only needs to make one hand seal.

They can't give Zabuza time. They still require hand seals just like Mist does. By the time they have been created Black Panther is already moving to Zabuza's position. The clones would have to go around the entire Black Panther, and even then they'll get electrocuted since it'll just shit on them all along with the real Zabuza.

So the black lightining gets dodged, and the mist is put up with just one hand seal, laser circus and black lightining doesn't have speed feats at all, while Zabuza has decent ones. Zabuza uses clones to make time and when the mist is put up Darui is dead. You're the one with no argument, overrating Darui's speed as well as his jutsu's speed.

HOW TF does it get dodged? Darui has far greater speed then Zabuza does. He blitzes into a 7 meter distance and forms the Black Lightning the instant he reaches by having done the seals while running. The Black Lightning moves 10cm and goes into the water and kills Zabuza. Don't tell em Zabuza does some stupid shit because he doesn't even know about Black Lightning coming, he's just thinking Zabuza is about to attack him head-on, which isn't the case. He dies a miserable death because Black Lightning is guided and it electrocuting the water is only done when Darui chooses for it to be done.

 

[LuckyMan]

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Ninjutsu, B-rank, Close to mid range (0-10m)

万雷集い吶喊す漆黒の雷豹！！　Thund erous battlecry of the pitchblack thunder leopard !!
体から放出する無数の雷を結集し、�� �き豹を創出。耳をつんざく咆哮の如� ��雷鳴を響かせ、敵めがけ次々と襲い かかる。暇無き連撃は、瞬く間に的�� �団を殲滅。その速さたるや、まさに� ��光石火。。。！！

The black leopard, a creation made of thousands of thunders expelled from the body. Its rumbling like deafening roar shakes the earth and it charges at the enemy, attacks one after another. The enemy herd will be annihilated within a second by its continuous non-stop attack. Its speed, truly is as quick as lightening…!!

希少忍術ゆえ忍界広しと言えど、扱�� �る者はダルイを含めた少数のみ。身� ��きさえ奪う漆黒の雷が、とらえし者 に与える未来は「敗北」の二文字だ�� �。。！
Although the world of Ninja is said to be big, only a few with scarce ninjutsu can handle the thunder leopard (Includes Darui). What future holds for those whose paralysed by the pitch black thunder? One word…Defeat…!

水を媒介に雷を一気に拡散！！通電�� �を活かせば通常射程の何倍にも渡る� ��範囲の敵を一瞬で感電させられる。
Use water as the medium and diffuse the thunder all at once!! It can even electrocute enemies at a distance (wider than the normal range) in the blink of an eye when utilizes its electric conducting power.

 

[Apêx1]

And there we have it. It's pretty damn fast and it's continuous, so Zabuza isn't just side-stepping it like you were suggesting.

 

[WreckRolled]

And there we have it. It's pretty damn fast and it's continuous, so Zabuza isn't just side-stepping it like you were suggesting.

zabuza will be inside the mist

 

[Apêx1]

zabuza will be inside the mist

Didn't know the Mist acted as a shield smh.

 

[WreckRolled]

Didn't know the Mist acted as a shield smh.

darui won t know where he is

 

[Apêx1]

darui won t know where he is

He won't have been fast enough to move locations. It's not like he disappears from the location when the Mist appears. He's not leaving Black Lightning's range.

 

[Zexion~]

Whats black panthers feats? Blitzing fodder zetsu :lol

Apex taking DB hype into his arguments......Seems hypocritical to me.

 

[EZQ]

Databook? Get that out of here.

Black lightining has no speed feats at all, it only worked against zetsus, and it has no feats of "pursuing" the opponent. By manga feats, its just a straight atack, and it gets dodged.

The speed feats you mentioned are exactly what i said. Darui's sunshin there was not a long distance, and again, base kin and gin have no speed feats at all. You saying pt2<pt1 in speed is just an assumption since kakashi even in part 1 had all the hype and feats to be really fast, while kin and gin don't have neither, nor hype nor feats.

And lmao if you think Darui is managing to do black panther before Zabuza makes 1 handseal. Don't overrate that featless jutsu, and use databook here.

Until one of you brings at least one decent speed feat for black lightining, suggesting it can reach Zabuza before the mist is put up (with just 1 handseal) or at least something that indicates it "chases" the enemy, Zabuza dodges it, period. Getting out of the black panther range is not a problem with Zabuza's sunshin feats.

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lmao. Zabuza could even start the battle by using sunshin backwards to even increase the distance between him and darui. Then, just 1 handseal is enough for him to activate the mist. And since the black panther is a linear atack with no impressive speed feats, it gets dodged.

lmao, comparing kin and gin with part 1 kakashi in speed. Where did that come from? Being from part 2 doesn't automatically put you on the speedster category. Kakashi since part 1 was considered really fast, and he even has sharingan pre-cog, which couldn't help properly against Zabuza's speed.

Oh, and the scan 3 i provided, clearly shows Zabuza has the ability to make handseals while moving, so he could perfectly use the hidden mist while he dodges Darui's jutsus, and once the mist appears (which is really fast) he just hides, and Darui won't know where to send the black panther. Then the massacre starts.

Hell, if Zabuza can't dodge black lightining because it's too fast and it chaces the enemy constantly, then 80% of the NV gets soloed by Darui, damn, Kamui GG? or BP GG?

Black panther is featless and unimpresive, and Zabuza's speed feats are above average. Darui's speed feats are not enough to speedblitz someone as fast as Zabuza, who can at least keep up with his speed, and with the starting distance, Zabuza has an easy job here. Kin and Gin are slower than pt1 Kakashi in their base form.

EDIT: Damn, even Kakuzu and some zetsus were able to jump and get out of its range. "Zabuza is not getting out of its range" is as stupid as it sounds, lmao. Overrating a jutsu like that, i mean, it has no feats at all, for real.

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[Curse Mark]

Lol Black Panther gets dodged???? It literally chases the opponent down like Laser Circus in a continuous type of attack and the Raiton shroud it coats Darui with will protect him from attacks simultaneously.

You need to see the opponent, it doesn't have a mind of its own.

He won't have been fast enough to move locations. It's not like he disappears from the location when the Mist appears. He's not leaving Black Lightning's range.

The scan already posted shows that the disappears as the mist forms.

 

[WreckRolled]

He won't have been fast enough to move locations. It's not like he disappears from the location when the Mist appears. He's not leaving Black Lightning's range.

he moves out of the way and panther won t follow him

 

[Ghost in the Shell]

Zabuza outspeeding and outlasting Darui has got to be one the biggest jokes I've heard in a while.

 

[Curse Mark]

Zabuza outspeeding and outlasting Darui has got to be one the biggest jokes I've heard in a while.

I saw no flaws in his argument. I'm guessing you didn't either since your response was basically just "haha no"

 

[EZQ]

Zabuza outspeeding and outlasting Darui has got to be one the biggest jokes I've heard in a while.

Outside the mist sure its a joke.

Inside the mist, it becomes Zabuza vs A blind oponent. Damn, even Kakashi with a sharingan could barely see and react.

 

[Curse Mark]

Darui gets his head lopped off before he knows what happened. Mist gets put up and Darui either shoots his lazer cat straight into the empty distance as zabuza appears behind him, as he did to Kakashi and several overs and lops his head off all in one motion

 

[Izanamı.]

-Zabusa gets blitzed by Kakashi's ninkens
-Darui reacts to and dodges a v2 tail swipe assault from Kinkaku


>Somehow Zabusa blitzes Darui. Smh.

 

[Curse Mark]

-Zabusa gets blitzed by Kakashi's ninkens
-Darui reacts to and dodges a v2 tail swipe assault from Kinkaku


>Somehow Zabusa blitzes Darui. Smh.

Scan of Zabuza being blitzed? Pretty sure thats not how it went down at all.

 

[EZQ]

-Zabusa gets blitzed by Kakashi's ninkens
-Darui reacts to and dodges a v2 tail swipe assault from Kinkaku


>Somehow Zabusa blitzes Darui. Smh.

lmao, you didn't read at all...

No one said Zabuza blitzes darui, lol. Zabuza would have the upper hand inside the mist since he was able to even blitz Kakashi. No one mentioned Zabuza speedblitzing Darui. Their speed is close enough to say they both keep up with each other, it doesn't matter if Darui's speed is a lil greater, since it's not enough for a speed blitz from 20 m.

The dogs argument is as fodder as Konohamaru. Zabuza didn't get blitzed, the dogs came from under the floor, where he was standing, totally different to keep up with a v2 jin from several mts away. Zabuza's sunshin is defined by the fact that he speedblitzed pt1 Kakashi, nothing more nothing less.

Next time read well before posting pure nonsense.

 

[Izanamı.]

Scan of Zabuza being blitzed? Pretty sure thats not how it went down at all.

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No one said Zabuza blitzes darui, lol. Zabuza would have the upper hand inside the mist since he was able to even blitz Kakashi. No one mentioned Zabuza speedblitzing Darui. Their speed is close enough to say they both keep up with each other, it doesn't matter if Darui's speed is a lil greater, since it's not enough for a speed blitz from 20 m.

Considering Darui showed excellent speed, reaction and execution speed that’s not happening in the first place.

-can keep up with Ay (not his top speed ofc)
-can clown Kinkaku before he completes his slash and e

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a guided laser circus on his brother
-perceptive enough to aid and protect his teammate's blind spot in a flash

BP right of the bat ends it.

The dogs argument is as fodder as Konohamaru. Zabuza didn't get blitzed, the dogs came from under the floor, where he was standing, totally different to keep up with a v2 jin from several mts away. Zabuza's sunshin is defined by the fact that he speedblitzed pt1 Kakashi, nothing more nothing less.

He was outsped by the ninken. Zabusa

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something was coming from underground.

Speech bubble: Huh Rmb Rmb Rmb Huh?—> Gah

Tries to jump above but one of the ninkes

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his right foot. P1 Kakashi is irrelevant, Darui in P2 showed much better speed feats than beg of P1 Kakashi. Don't waste my time with nonsense pls.