Darui vs Zabuza

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Localization : Dat beach where Kinkaku and Gikaku were fought.

Intel : Manga.

Mindset : IC, but to kill. Zabuza is alive btw.

Restrictions : Nyet, Darui has his usual sword and the likes, Zabuza too. Let's assume that they're going to try to go all swordsman battle and the likes, the one who gets overpowered then bust out the jutsus, unless he get killed fast enough.

Starting distance : 20M.

Round 2 : Same but bloodlusted.
 
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Localization : Dat beach where Kinkaku and Gikaku were fought.

Intel : Manga.

Mindset : IC, but to kill. Zabuza is alive btw.

Restrictions : Nyet, Darui has his usual sword and the likes, Zabuza too.

Starting distance : 20M.

Round 2 : Same but bloodlusted.

How does Darui survive in the mist with silent killing?
 

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I don't see what Zabuza can do to counter Black Lightning or Laser Circus, Darui is the superior swordsman as well.
 

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Darui is stronger overral, but the location helps Zabuza a lot and I don't know if Darui have any intel on Hidden Mist...
 

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Fodder matchup is fodder Sasuke solos
 

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Zabuza wins.

There's nothing Darui can do inside the mist, his reflexes are not as high as Kakashi (who has sharingan pre-cog, the only thing that allowed him to survive in the mist). Darui couldn't even dodge kinkkaku's rope (which he himself was the one who cut it and couldn't even avoid it).

Kakashi could barely keep up with Zabuza on v1 mist and got his ass kicked and clone feinted. Let's not even talk about v2 mist because its not even needed here.

Darui gets clone feinted, outspeeded and outlasted. His only shot is trying to atack on all directions with laser circus but Zabuza is too fast and too agile to be hit by a random atack.

Zabuza wins low-med diff.
 

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Fodder matchup is fodder Sasuke solos

Fodder matchups are the best. They're about how one counters his opponent's abilities.

On the other hand, the things you debate is about who has the bigger avatar, which one has more chakra, which one can destroy susano, etc... For that kind of debate then go to the Dragon ball section.
 

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Darui starts the fight with black panther and electrocutes Zabuza
 

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Darui starts the fight with black panther and electrocutes Zabuza

Black panther does not have such speed feats to say that it can get down Zabuza in a 20m distance.
 

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Black panther does not have such speed feats to say that it can get down Zabuza in a 20m distance.

It doesn't need to reach him, it just needs to travel a fair distance and then electrocute the water, and Darui's Sunshin should make that an easy task if you don't want to believe the Black Panther has decent speed. Either way, it's going to be used before the Mist spreads, which is all that matters.
 

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It doesn't need to reach him, it just needs to travel a fair distance and then electrocute the water, and Darui's Sunshin should make that an easy task if you don't want to believe the Black Panther has decent speed. Either way, it's going to be used before the Mist spreads, which is all that matters.

They're fighting on the beach, not standing on water. Plus, if the panther reaches water Darui gets electrocuted as well, and that's not happening, since both Zabuza and Darui can jump and avoid getting caught.

By feats Zabuza's sunshin > Darui's.

Zabuza can just dodge the panther and spread the mist. He has already shown he can activate it with just one hand seal, plus he can make clones do distract darui (since darui can't make clones). No matter how weak these clones are, Darui is losing at least a second against them, and when that's done, the mist is already up.

Darui is completely lost here.
 

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They're fighting on the beach, not standing on water. Plus, if the panther reaches water Darui gets electrocuted as well, and that's not happening, since both Zabuza and Darui can jump and avoid getting caught.

By feats Zabuza's sunshin > Darui's.

Zabuza can just dodge the panther and spread the mist. He has already shown he can activate it with just one hand seal, plus he can make clones do distract darui (since darui can't make clones). No matter how weak these clones are, Darui is losing at least a second against them, and when that's done, the mist is already up.

Darui is completely lost here.

How is Zabuza killing Darui in the mist? Part 1 showed it not to be instant.

Darui is a master swordman and so should be able to defend himself just fine if not overpower Zabuza.
 

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They're fighting on the beach, not standing on water. Plus, if the panther reaches water Darui gets electrocuted as well, and that's not happening, since both Zabuza and Darui can jump and avoid getting caught.

By feats Zabuza's sunshin > Darui's.

Zabuza can just dodge the panther and spread the mist. He has already shown he can activate it with just one hand seal, plus he can make clones do distract darui (since darui can't make clones). No matter how weak these clones are, Darui is losing at least a second against them, and when that's done, the mist is already up.

Darui is completely lost here.

They were never fighting on the beach though, so it automatically means they're on the water based on OP's stipulations. Darui is more resistant to electrocution as is every Raiton user, and based on what happened in canon Darui wasn't even affected by it since he was already covered in Black Lightning. No arguments here fam. If you're covered by black lightning then you're obviously going to be immune to it throughout the duration.

Uh, no. By feats, Darui's Shunshin blitzed both Kingaku and Ginkaku individually, and both of those should be far higher then anything Zabuza could dream of. By feats Darui was around v1 Ay's level of speed since they appeared at the same time and at the same location.

How does he dodge it?.. You can't dodge it, it's guided, and it releases by choice. It's not a projectile. And if Zabuza makes clones before he tries the mist then they all end up dying without putting up a fight. If Zabuza tries to start with mist it's still not up before the black lightning is within electrocution range.

Uh, no he isn't. You have no argument tbh.
 
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They were never fighting on the beach though, so it automatically means they're on the water based on OP's stipulations. Darui is more resistant to electrocution as is every Raiton user, and based on what happened in canon Darui wasn't even affected by it since he was already covered in Black Lightning. No arguments here fam. If you're covered by black lightning then you're obviously going to be immune to it throughout the duration.

Uh, no. By feats, Darui's Shunshin blitzed both Kingaku and Ginkaku individually, and both of those should be far higher then anything Zabuza could dream of. By feats Darui was around v1 Ay's level of speed since they appeared at the same time and at the same location.

How does he dodge it?.. You can't dodge it, it's guided, and it releases by choice. It's not a projectile. And if Zabuza makes clones before he tries the mist then they all end up dying without putting up a fight. If Zabuza tries to start with mist it's still not up before the black lightning is within electrocution range.

Uh, no he isn't. You have no argument tbh.

I'll concede on the black lightining thing on the water. Tough, Zabuza dodges anyways, read down there.

Darui did never speed blitz nor Kinkkaku or Ginkkaku, i've read that fight a lot of times. He only had faster striking speed for CQC, but he never surpassed them in sunshin. And also, there's no indication that base Kin and Gin are faster than part 1 Kakashi (who Zabuza speed blitzed). So zabuza's speed feats are better than Darui's when it comes to Sunshin, but ofc, Darui surpasses him on CQC and striking speed, but that's not Zabuza's fighting style anyways.

Darui arriving at the same time Ay did doesn't mean anything, lmao. Ay could've been just waiting for Darui to get there at the same time.. Nothing to do with battle speed. If we were to use that logic then Hiruzen has the same sunshin Tobirama and Hashirama have.

The laser circus gets dodged because Darui wouldn't be pointing it, since he wouldn't see shit inside the mist, so his "guided" projectiles would be guided towards an unknown position, since he doesn't know where Zabuza is, so Zabuza easely avoids getting hit by it.

You didn't understand my point with the clones, damn, i clearly explained that the clones are just there to give Zabuza time. Yes, they die before puting up a fight, but Zabuza only needs to make one hand seal.

So the black lightining gets dodged, and the mist is put up with just one hand seal, laser circus and black lightining doesn't have speed feats at all, while Zabuza has decent ones. Zabuza uses clones to make time and when the mist is put up Darui is dead. You're the one with no argument, overrating Darui's speed as well as his jutsu's speed.
 

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How is Zabuza killing Darui in the mist? Part 1 showed it not to be instant.

Darui is a master swordman and so should be able to defend himself just fine if not overpower Zabuza.

Kakashi with sharingan pre-cog could barely see and protect himself inside the mist. Darui's vision and reflexes >>> a sharingan user inside the mist. So don't compare Darui with Kakashi here. Kakashi could barely react to Zabuza on the mist, so Darui is screwed. Also, once inside the mist, Darui would get clone feinted and traped on a water prison. Kakashi is a lot smarter than Darui and an expert with clones, and still he got clone feinted by Zabuza, so Darui would get drowned by Zabuza's water prison.
 

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To avoid unnecesary argumentation, here's Zabuza putting up the mist with just one hand seal

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He dissapeared in front of Kakashi's eyes so fast that kakashi couldn't do anything, and the distance was around what, 1 m? Darui has no chance at all with a starting distance of 20 m. The mist is getting activated as a fact.

No way darui can perform sunshin, black lightining or storm element faster than that. And even if he did, Zabuza dodges it, and hides in the mist, since as soon as the match starts, Zabuza makes that hand seal, and proceeds to dodge Darui until the mist is completely put up and he's able to hide.
 

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Lol Black Panther gets dodged???? It literally chases the opponent down like Laser Circus in a continuous type of attack and the Raiton shroud it coats Darui with will protect him from attacks simultaneously.
 
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