Darui Vs Kakashi

[LuckyMan]

Talking about Kakashi's taijutsu feats are meaningless because Darui is faster and has better reach with his sword.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Np

The second gate of healing is also located in he brain and temporarily re-energizes the body along with increasing strength. So Kakashi may have opened 2 gates there but I always assumed it was one

Everyone assumes its one. Considering he was fatigued (even complaining about being out of shape) it could have been the second one to "re-energise" his tired body. Which would make sense since he got tired close to the top.

 

[Touken]

Taijutsu doesn't refer to speed and strength, it refers to technique/skill/edge. Kakashi may actually have had better taijutsu than PTS Lee but he didn't possess the same speed or strength. The Gates don't improve upon taijutsu skill, it just makes the body stronger and faster.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Taijutsu doesn't refer to speed and strength, it refers to technique/skill/edge. Kakashi may actually have had better taijutsu than PTS Lee but he didn't possess the same speed or strength. The Gates don't improve upon taijutsu skill, it just makes the body stronger and faster.

I thought it ment cqc

 

[Touken]

I thought it ment cqc

Yeah, it's pretty much hand-to-hand combat, and it's usually the person who has superior skill and striking speed that comes out on top in hand-to-hand combat. Taijutsu pretty much covers hand-to-hand skill and striking speed.

 

[Haizaki]

Kakashi vs sakura and naruto. We see the beginning then cut to nighttime.

How many gates he can open in part 2? Unknown. What is known is that whatever taijutsu he showed naruto during that fight is comparable to what naruto knows of Lee.

Naruto doesn't have to see a full power Lee to make that comparison since the Lee I'm taking about is the one naruto saw.

It's unknown so we stick to what we know. Kakashi cannot use more than 2. Well we can't conclude Kakashi can open the 3rd gate which is required for hidden lotus.

Fair point. I'll agree that Kakashi has better than what Naruto saw then.

 

[Haizaki]

Taijutsu doesn't refer to speed and strength, it refers to technique/skill/edge. Kakashi may actually have had better taijutsu than PTS Lee but he didn't possess the same speed or strength. The Gates don't improve upon taijutsu skill, it just makes the body stronger and faster.

This right here

 

[LuckyMan]

Taijutsu doesn't refer to speed and strength, it refers to technique/skill/edge. Kakashi may actually have had better taijutsu than PTS Lee but he didn't possess the same speed or strength. The Gates don't improve upon taijutsu skill, it just makes the body stronger and faster.

But a person who strikes faster (speed) and his physically more powerful (strength) would be better at taijutsu than others i.e.

Lee
Gai
Raikages
Tsunade
Bee

So I don't believe in that point of yours

 

[Haizaki]

But a person who strikes faster (speed) and his physically more powerful (strength) would be better at taijutsu than others i.e.

Lee
Gai
Raikages
Tsunade
Bee

So I don't believe in that point of yours

Not the point. He's saying the gates just make the person stronger and faster. Sakura is a good example. She's ridiculously strong but her taijutsu isn't as good. Put her up against someone like Kiba who's fast but doesn't have strength, it would be speed against strength.

Taijutsu is a combination of all hand to hand aspect. Another examply is Gai being able to fight without looking at the persons eyes. That requires skill.

 

[Touken]

But a person who strikes faster (speed) and his physically more powerful (strength) would be better at taijutsu than others i.e.

Lee
Gai
Raikages
Tsunade
Bee

So I don't believe in that point of yours

I was referring to movement speed in my previous post, not striking speed, and I agree with striking strength part, but those who are skilled in taijutsu do more than just simple kicks and punches that are easily anticipated. Tsunade has serious striking strength but because she's a pretty simple fighter I don't see her as skilled as Gai/Lee in taijutsu.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

It's unknown so we stick to what we know. Kakashi cannot use more than 2. Well we can't conclude Kakashi can open the 3rd gate which is required for hidden lotus.

Fair point. I'll agree that Kakashi has better than what Naruto saw then.

Agree to agree then.

 

[LuckyMan]

I was referring to movement speed in my previous post, not striking speed, and I agree with striking strength part, but those who are skilled in taijutsu do more than just simple kicks and punches that are easily anticipated. Tsunade has serious striking strength but because she's a pretty simple fighter I don't see her as skilled as Gai/Lee in taijutsu.

Taijutsu is nothing but kicks and punches so what are you talking about? Whats a simple kick? Or a simple punch? A kick is a kick and a punch is a punch, plain and simple. Tsunade's attacks aren't easily anticipated otherwise she would not have incapacitated Kabuto and beat Orochimaru to a pulp, giving him no time to react. I do respect you though for acknowledging that fight speed is not movement speed, I been preaching that for a while here now and only you have actually agreed they are different (and one other person) to my knowledge.

I disgaree with your last point. Tsunade is superior to Gai and Lee in taijutsu, her reaction feats, combined with her fight speed, physical power, durability, and criminally underrated movement speed overall puts her above them.

 

[Touken]

Taijutsu is nothing but kicks and punches so what are you talking about? Whats a simple kick? Or a simple punch? A kick is a kick and a punch is a punch, plain and simple. Tsunade's attacks aren't easily anticipated otherwise she would not have incapacitated Kabuto and beat Orochimaru to a pulp, giving him no time to react. I do respect you though for acknowledging that fight speed is not movement speed, I been preaching that for a while here now and only you have actually agreed they are different (and one other person) to my knowledge.

I disgaree with your last point. Tsunade is superior to Gai and Lee in taijutsu, her reaction feats, combined with her fight speed, physical power, durability, and criminally underrated movement speed overall puts her above them.

Lee was able to utilize a kick to disarm Kisame well before the latter could strike [

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]. That's a showing of skill since taijutsu skill is knowing when to use the best kick/punch to carry out your purpose. Kisame was completely surprised by that as shown in the scan. Gai's ability to turn a kick into something to disarm his opponent is another great showing of skill [

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]. Show me anyone else who's replicated these feats and I'm pretty certain someone like Tsunade couldn't. Her taijutsu is based around using her regeneration to take attacks and then catch her opponent by surprise, evidenced by her fight against Madara (can't find the exact scans). She isn't nearly as fast as Gai/Lee nor has she displayed the same amount of skill they've displayed.

Eh, I tried to point it out to everyone else a while ago, lol [

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[LuckyMan]

Lee was able to utilize a kick to disarm Kisame well before the latter could strike [

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]. That's a showing of skill since taijutsu skill is knowing when to use the best kick/punch to carry out your purpose. Kisame was completely surprised by that as shown in the scan. Gai's ability to turn a kick into something to disarm his opponent is another great showing of skill [

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]. Show me anyone else who's replicated these feats and I'm pretty certain someone like Tsunade couldn't. Her taijutsu is based around using her regeneration to take attacks and then catch her opponent by surprise, evidenced by her fight against Madara (can't find the exact scans). She isn't nearly as fast as Gai/Lee nor has she displayed the same amount of skill they've displayed.

Eh, I tried to point it out to everyone else a while ago, lol [

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Maybe one of us should make a different topic to discuss this because this is Kakashi vs. Darui lel. I would reply but we spammed it too much already with non Kakashi vs Darui posts. If you want to make the topic, do it, if not, I will.

 

[Touken]

Maybe one of us should make a different topic to discuss this because this is Kakashi vs. Darui lel. I would reply but we spammed it too much already with non Kakashi vs Darui posts. If you want to make the topic, do it, if not, I will.

Nah, I'd rather just agree to disagree. I've become too lazy to get into full-on debates.

 

[LuckyMan]

Nah, I'd rather just agree to disagree. I've become too lazy to get into full-on debates.

Not really a debate. Just a formal discussion. It not who would win a fight but whose taijutsu is better.

 

[Touken]

Not really a debate. Just a formal discussion. It not who would win a fight but whose taijutsu is better.

Sure, if you want then. You could just ask the Base on who they believe the better taijutsu user is.

 

[Legitbeans]

Kakashi wins mid-high diff.
Itachi approves of his superior intelligence.

 

[ATD]

Wrong.

Kakashi can't keep up with 6th Gate Gai. Go get me the scans showing he can and I will be happy to debunk the claim.

Not Keep up for long? Do you not realize that he had 3 large weapons in his possession? Seven Star Sword, Crimson Gourd, and the Amber Pot. He couldn't tote all those huge weapons around by himself, especially the pot which is nearly as big as he is. Not only that, Kinkaku knew they were going to try and seal him so he more intended to destroy the pot. Darui had to protect the pot, meaning he had to stay with it and not let Kinkaku destroy it and foil HQs plan. Nice try though. Next?

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Here you can see 6 gates guy and kakashi running on same speed to 6 jinchurikis.
The sharingan doesnt give him the speed only more reaction time and seeing through ninjutsu, genjutsu and taijutsu.

Okay I understand the point that darui carried a few things wich slowed him down.
btw its just the gouard and the sword, means 2 things.

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this is your argument isnt it ?
well the move ay and darui made is right after a genjutsu, we dont know much about how long the genjutsu last in the reality of Naruto.

Maybe they had time to close the distance, its the same like kakashi keeping up with 6 gate guy, the both of them are showed together running and ariving.

The move darui and ay did there is comparable to the move kakashi did in that pig.

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So its hard to say who in the end is faster, but im leading to kakashi, 6 gate guy is equal in speed to V1 Ay, maybe faster.

Kakashi showed that a kunai is all what he need to fight even big sword users and he is very skilled with kunais, so he will be able to keep darui at bay. If darui fuses his sword with lightning kakashi would do the same, so darui would soon come to the conclusion that he needs an other way to defeat his opponent.

If he uses laser circus, kakashi will avoid it with speed, or creating a mud wall and behind it he will going underground where he can plan his stratagies, which will be clone feints ( raiton clones ).
Now kakashi is able to attack darui from anywhere and darui doesnt know where kakashi is.

Daruis black lightning panter is hard to compare with other raiton techs , we dont know why it is black, wheter its superior or not, maybe it is yin release, but that doesnt mean the tech is not avoidable.

The key in this match is to keep the opponent busy and than finish him with tactics.
Kakashi will keep darui busy with numbers ( dogs and clones) and than finishs him off with a simple kunai slash.

 

[LuckyMan]

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Here you can see 6 gates guy and kakashi running on same speed to 6 jinchurikis.
The sharingan doesnt give him the speed only more reaction time and seeing through ninjutsu, genjutsu and taijutsu.

But where did they end up? In the very next panel of that link Kakashi is in the same linear pose he was in when he started about to strike and Gai was already in the air striking them. They ran in at the same time and ended up in different locations. Thats evidence that Kakashi is not equal to him in speed. Darui and Ay were in the same location and ended up at the same place, same time, and struck at the same time. That shows they are equal. Kakashi is not faster than V1 Ay, thus not faster than Darui.

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this is your argument isnt it ?
well the move ay and darui made is right after a genjutsu, we dont know much about how long the genjutsu last in the reality of Naruto.

We don't need to. All we know is that he is equal to V1 Ay because of what I just said above.

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