Danzo's Reverse Four Seal [Exploit]

[Brother Numpsay]

You must be registered for see images

After Databook entry description I decided to break down the potential of using this technique.

Let me quote the entry

The Reverse Four Symbols Sealing Technique is a fūinjutsu and a stronger version of the Four Symbols Seal. The user places the seal across their chest, and sets it to activate upon their death. It releases four symbols from the user's body that then forms a large, black sphere around them. Anything caught inside the sphere's area is then drawn in and sealed within the user's corpse.

Whats interesting about this technique is that it works very much like Four Symbols Seal which:

The sealing formula is used to seal any target into a human body or an object, and is mainly used when a giant enemy or evil spirit needs to be sealed away.

As we have witness Half Kurama, Hashirama, Tobirama, and etc being sealed.

When being sealed, we have witness the caster's body, being used as the medium, to access the chakra/ability of what it sealed.

Example Half of Kuramas has went inside Minato[

You must be registered for see links

]. Later on he access the entity's chakra[

You must be registered for see links

] when revived.


It is even possible to do this with humans too since they can be sealed inside of the caster. Two primary examples that supports my claim is Kakashi and Sasuke. As we witness Sasuke taking over Orochimaru[

You must be registered for see links

] and had access to his abilities[

You must be registered for see links

]. And as for Kakashi, where Obito transmitted his life/chakra[

You must be registered for see links

] to access his abilities[

You must be registered for see links

].

---

But using this Fuinjutsu is a double edge as attempting to seal something with Four Reverse Seal leads to the casters death too. Making it only practicable being revived from the dead or Edo Tensei.

Danzo on the other hand is different, as long he does the process during the time of Izanagi. As we know Izanagi is,

You must be registered for see links

,

You must be registered for see links

.

So if Danzo wants to, he can become a Jinjuriki or simply takeover a human body to access their abilities or even blood-limit.

Step 1: Activate Izanagi
Step 2: Have them get sucked in Reverse Four Seal
Step 3: Cheat Death from Izanagi and keep the result of the entity being sealed inside you.
Step 4: ???????????
Step 5: Profit.

 

[Gold Lightning]

are those translations from wiki?

 

[Itachi Solos]

You must be registered for see images

 

[Brother Numpsay]

are those translations from wiki?

Yes? They go by DB/manga description so whats the deal?

You must be registered for see images

How does this imply do this topic?

 

[Gold Lightning]

Yes? They go by DB/manga description so whats the deal?



How does this imply do this topic?

It's just that I read the translations from the users who translated them.

The translator never translated e reverse four seal to be stronger than the original. It was just an assumption he made (his own comments). As far as I remember.

And the regular four symbols seal didn't actually say any target. It says human or object. Nitpicking I know. It's no big deal though, that's basically the same as any target to be honest.

I just thought you should know in case you care about the validity of your thread. Not saying it's invalid, just saying wiki like to reword things.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

It's just that I read the translations from the users who translated them.

The translator never translated e reverse four seal to be stronger than the original. It was just an assumption he made (his own comments). As far as I remember.

And the regular four symbols seal didn't actually say any target. It says human or object. Nitpicking I know. It's no big deal though, that's basically the same as any target to be honest.

I just thought you should know in case you care about the validity of your thread. Not saying it's invalid, just saying wiki like to reword things.

I also have Turrin paraphrase:

Danzo's Urashishoufuin is basically exactly as it was presented in the manga. It's a seal that is activated after ones death and it's a blood seal. The only thing interesting the DB says is that it's an especially strong Shishoufuin, so I guess there are many different types of "shishoufuin" that exist and this is one of the strongest (Minato's seal he used to seal Kurama into Naruto is also a "shishoufuin").

If the only thing thats bothering you is making the claim that Reverse> Four Seal, then ignore that part and let me hear about the main point in this thread.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

I think it's viable. But Wouldn't it have made sense for him to use it every time he died?

 

[Zealous Sparks]

That seems like it would be very OP. Perhaps that was how he intended to control the Kyuubi. Seal Naruto+Kyuubi inside him with the Reverse Four Symbols Seal, use Izanagi to escape death, and then control them with KA on the inside.

 

[super yang]

imo the sealing jutsu trump izanagi since he using his life force as the medium.
in other words, izanagi will lose its activation once he releases that seal.
said another way, the sharingan in danzos arm are not self sufficient & capable of jutsu independent of his will & internal chakra.
izanagi is used only to thwart the external attempts of opponents...provided they aren't also terminal fuuinjutsu.

danzos' seal would also cancel an edo summoning of himsel, if he used it in that zombie state, he would not then regenerate afterwards,(danzo can cancel edo tensei by sealing himself) imo

seals trump everything else in narutoverse. they are the ''singularity'' so to speak.

even if this wasn't the case, & danzo revived, the person/properties/object that he sealed ''in himself'' would not return 4 him to use as his own power, as the reverse tetragram is purely destructive{corpse/death
Izanagi never raised any external soul from the dead. It only uses the casters soul/chakra to restore their own body/physical circumstances

u can play w/ the wording of data translations all u want, imo... I'd have to disagree w/ the op.

 

[Ansatsuken]

That very HAX, full of HAX

 

[solo king]

imo the sealing jutsu trump izanagi since he using his life force as the medium.
in other words, izanagi will lose its activation once he releases that seal.
said another way, the sharingan in danzos arm are not self sufficient & capable of jutsu independent of his will & internal chakra.
izanagi is used only to thwart the external attempts of opponents...provided they aren't also terminal fuuinjutsu.

danzos' seal would also cancel his own edo summoning, if he used it in that state, imo

seals trump everything else in narutoverse. they are the ''singularity'' so to speak.


u can play w/ the wording of data translations all u want, imo... I'd have to disagree w/ the op.

Actually i think they are self sufficient.I'm ot sure if its anime only so correct me if im wrong but didn't
Sasuke slice pff his arm?the izanagi was still active.

On topic: izanagi can alter events to the users wish.the only exception to this is chakra,he can't reverse the loss of it an for that reason i don't think he can just spam this


Off topic again:imagine if he used it against sasuke
When he had him bound with the curse seal

 

[Brother Numpsay]

I think it's viable. But Wouldn't it have made sense for him to use it every time he died?

Same reason for Edo Deidara to keep using C0 in war. Kishimto isn't going to let that happen

imo the sealing jutsu trump izanagi since he using his life force as the medium.

Dont see how this is important to determine that Izanagi doesnt work in sealing process. Especially when Izanagi not only cheats death but rewrites it at anytime via Madara example.

in other words, izanagi will lose its activation once he releases that seal.

Proof?

said another way, the sharingan in danzos arm are not self sufficient & capable of jutsu independent of his will & internal chakra.
izanagi is used only to thwart the external attempts of opponents...provided they aren't also terminal fuuinjutsu.

@Bold: "

You must be registered for see links

" "

You must be registered for see links

"

danzos' seal would also cancel his own edo summoning, if he used it in that state, imo

Huh?????

seals trump everything else in narutoverse. they are the ''singularity'' so to speak.

Except for Izanagi which rewrites your destiny no matter what.

u can play w/ the wording of data translations all u want, imo... I'd have to disagree w/ the op.

Bring better evidence to disprove me next time so the discussion can go smoother.

Actually i think they are self sufficient.I'm ot sure if its anime only so correct me if im wrong but didn't
Sasuke slice pff his arm?the izanagi was still active.

That was canon[

You must be registered for see links

]

On topic: izanagi can alter events to the users wish.the only exception to this is chakra,he can't reverse the loss of it an for that reason i don't think he can just spam this

Correct

Off topic again:imagine if he used it against sasuke
When he had him bound with the curse seal

Crazy combo. But Kishimoto has to think about his main characters Lol

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Same reason for Edo Deidara to keep using C0 in war. Kishimto isn't going to let that happen



Dont see how this is important to determine that Izanagi doesnt work in sealing process. Especially when Izanagi not only cheats death but rewrites it at anytime via Madara example.



Proof?



@Bold: "

You must be registered for see links

" "

You must be registered for see links

"



Huh?????



Except for Izanagi which rewrites your destiny no matter what.



Bring better evidence to disprove me next time so the discussion can go smoother.



That was canon[

You must be registered for see links

]



Correct



Crazy combo. But Kishimoto has to think about his main characters Lol

Deidara's having infinite chakra dosen't mean he has infinite clay.

 

[V h o]

Seems possible but I would wonder why danzo didn't use that seal in the fight and then izanagi or even remote izanagi.....

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Deidara's having infinite chakra dosen't mean he has infinite clay.

Doesnt need infinite supplies and doesnt change my point.

Seems possible but I would wonder why danzo didn't use that seal in the fight and then izanagi or even remote izanagi.....

Me too. But then again Kishi left it as the only way to counter it is to dodge/escape being the only option. If he did it in battle Kishi would then have to make up a counter. Especially for his main characters.

 

[super yang]

Bring better evidence to disprove me next time so the discussion can go smoother.

I don't have to disprove U,your interpretation is different than mine.
if something was proven, this thread wouldn.t be here.

danzo has a generic seal on his arm to keep the sharingans from wasting his chakra...just follow that same train of logic, objectively

You must be registered for see links

and a sharingan can't have more priority than the life of its user//ergo the sharingan is worthless when its sitting in a jar

when sasuke ''kills'' danzo, the latters chakra uses izanagi 4 profit

when danzo uses a destructive seal w/ his body as the medium & his chakra as the agent, those sharingan have effectively been ''put back in the jar'' ~ ''back under the arm brace seal''

and my view is supported by the notion that ura shisou is ''activated upon death'' (and the S-rank as well as ''ura''{reverse)impliying that it a final act w/ the last possible measure of his life force/chakra...
...I disagree w/ ur unproven theory

 

[Brother Numpsay]

I don't have to disprove U,your interpretation is different than mine.
if something was proven, this thread wouldn.t be here.

...

danzo has a generic seal on his arm to keep the sharingans from wasting his chakra...just follow that same train of logic, objectively

You must be registered for see links

suppressing it doesnt matter since manga supports that even to death Izanagi rewrites it.

and a sharingan can't have more priority than the life of its user//ergo the sharingan is worthless when its sitting in a jar

Then your outright denying manga[

You must be registered for see links

]

when sasuke ''kills'' danzo, the latters chakra uses izanagi 4 profit

Ok?

when danzo uses a destructive seal w/ his body as the medium & his chakra as the agent, those sharingan have effectively been ''put back in the jar'' ~ ''back under the arm brace seal''

No they dont. Not with manga logic that we have witness.

and my view is supported by the notion that ura shisou is ''activated upon death'' (and the S-rank as well as ''ura''{reverse)impliying that it a final act w/ the last possible measure of his life force/chakra...
...I disagree w/ ur unproven theory

Except my premise clearly shows and proves that:

1. Ura Shisou can be activated by will
2. Life force/no chakra = death, which Izanagi can reverse. And sharingan having more priority than the life.

 

[Demonic.]

The technique a tired Taka Sasuke jumped away from no diff? Yeahhhhh....Danzo is unstoppable.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

The technique a tired Taka Sasuke jumped away from no diff? Yeahhhhh....Danzo is unstoppable.

Yep the same tired Sasuke who was getting recovered by Karin and attempt to blitz Danzo as his last move. Then later was able to face full healthy Kakashi on his way.

But nice way trying to get my attention by going off topic.

 

[super yang]

...
suppressing it doesnt matter since manga supports that even to death Izanagi rewrites it.

sealing=/=suppressing
manga never said izanagi works when it is sealed away, paradox
(again, the eye is useless if its not in a persons body~chakra flow)

Then your outright denying manga[

You must be registered for see links

]

no, the eye was useless til sasuke took them into his body, my logic is supported by manga

No they dont. Not with manga logic that we have witness.

yes they do, w/ the manga logic I have witnessed

E]Except my premise clearly shows and proves that:

1. Ura Shisou can be activated by will
2. Life force/no chakra = death, which Izanagi can reverse. And sharingan having more priority than the life.

then your flawed premise assumes that danzo actually died/lost soul/lost life force/chakra while izanagi was activated & he was ''killed''/took heavy damage. its not true & its an obvious paradox...since its his will & chakra in play w/ izanagi, just as it is in play w/ usa shishou