Danzo vs the Gokage

[Beans2]

Ay, Tsunade, Onoki, Mei, and Gaara vs Danzo

Location: Gokage vs Madara
Intel: Full for Danzo, none for Gokage
Conditions: Danzo starts with his arm brace unsealed.
Restrictions: None. Meaning that Danzo can KA an opponent and control them, forcing them to switch to his side. So he can choose which among the gokage he wants to fight on his side.

 

[V h o]

Gokage wreck.

Danzo +whoever other kage isn't beating the other 4.

 

[RicardoA]

Is this supposed to imply Danzo stands a chance?

OT: Gokage win, low-diff.

 

[DMT]

Onoki > A

Danzo > Gaara, Mei and Tsunade since they have no counter to Baku or Juinjutsu

 

[Blackdeath667]

if he uses KA on onoki..he could pull out...if not his suicide seal could finish off lol

 

[Beans2]

Is this supposed to imply Danzo stands a chance?

OT: Gokage win, low-diff.

Danzo actually has a good chance of winning if he KA's Onoki. Not to mention he can spam his sucide tech with izanagi activated

 

[Demonic.]

Gokage low diff. Mifune snapped out of KA as soon as he realized he was being controlled. With 4 other Kage, I'm sure they can snap the Kage that gets placed in KA out of it.

 

[RicardoA]

Danzo actually has a good chance of winning if he KA's Onoki. Not to mention he can spam his sucide tech with izanagi activated

Not really (imo) >_>

What difference does Onoki (or any other kage) make other than making Danzo's defeat less bad? Ay alone can take the old man out and Danzo ain't dealing with Tsunade, Mei and Gaara at the same time.

What suicide tech?

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? You're aware that if that failed at first there would be no more surprises right? Why do you think he didn't spam it against Sasuke? There's no such thing as a spammable, op, suicide jutsu in Naruto (at least not when we're talking about this level of shinobi anyway).

 

[Beans2]

Not really (imo) >_>

What difference does Onoki (or any other kage) make other than making Danzo's defeat less bad? Ay alone can take the old man out and Danzo ain't dealing with Tsunade, Mei and Gaara at the same time.

Not even close. Ay has no way of touching Onoki since Onoki can fly. Onoki can use added-weight rock technique to make Gaara's sand too heavy for him to manipulate. He can also hand out the ability to fly, so he can make Danzo fly. Not to mention he can make a rock golem or Baku summon light enough to fly...Tsunade is almost a non-factor against flying long-distance opponents so she can be good only for healing and acting as a chakra battery. Danzo's fuutons blow away Mei's mist. Gaara can get whisked away by a Baku summons or vaporized with jinton.

What suicide tech?

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? You're aware that if that failed at first there would be no more surprises right? Why do you think he didn't spam it against Sasuke? There's no such thing as a spammable, op, suicide jutsu in Naruto (at least not when we're talking about this level of shinobi anyway).

You think all 4 kage would be able to avoid its blast radius the first time its used? Only Ay has the speed to escape the blast radius and it would work great in surprise attacks. Yes, this is a spammable, OP, suicide jutsu and Danzo perhaps just never thought to use it with izanagi activated: it's a very OP move and can be used in lots of battle situations. It's like Edo Deidara, who can use C0 and then regenerate and do it again.

 

[RicardoA]

Not even close. Ay has no way of touching Onoki since Onoki can fly. Onoki can use added-weight rock technique to make Gaara's sand too heavy for him to manipulate. He can also hand out the ability to fly, so he can make Danzo fly. Not to mention he can make a rock golem or Baku summon light enough to fly...Tsunade is almost a non-factor against flying long-distance opponents so she can be good only for healing and acting as a chakra battery. Danzo's fuutons blow away Mei's mist. Gaara can get whisked away by a Baku summons or vaporized with jinton.

So, 90% of this part of your argument is that everybody can fly, gg? Lol
When you're able to provide links/scans where shinobi with flying capabilities are immune to others who can't fly, then i might consider your point.

Danzo's Futon alone is not blowing any of the mist away. He uses his Futon is the shape of blades or bullets, not as gusts of wind. That's not dispersing any mist away. Now if you claim Baku can suck all the mist up, i agree.

Gaara whisked away? Really? ._.
He gets vaporized... assuming everyone else lets Onoki charge his Jinton of course. And that's assuming Onoki is still alive which at this point its highly unlikely imo.

You think all 4 kage would be able to avoid its blast radius the first time its used? Only Ay has the speed to escape the blast radius and it would work great in surprise attacks. Yes, this is a spammable, OP, suicide jutsu and Danzo perhaps just never thought to use it with izanagi activated: it's a very OP move and can be used in lots of battle situations. It's like Edo Deidara, who can use C0 and then regenerate and do it again.

@1stbold: Any links/scans to back that ridiculous claim?

@2nd: Yet he didn't and got low-diffed when outnumbered, which just proves my point.

 

[Beans2]

So, 90% of this part of your argument is that everybody can fly, gg? Lol
When you're able to provide links/scans where shinobi with flying capabilities are immune to others who can't fly, then i might consider your point.

When you're able to provide links/scans of a close-range attack like Ay or Tsunade's punch hitting an opponent flying in the air hundreds of meters away, then I might consider your point. There's really nothing to argue here, we both acknowledge that Onoki and Danzo will be able to fly, what exactly are you disagreeing with?

Danzo's Futon alone is not blowing any of the mist away. He uses his Futon is the shape of blades or bullets, not as gusts of wind. That's not dispersing any mist away. Now if you claim Baku can suck all the mist up, i agree.

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Gaara whisked away? Really? ._.
He gets vaporized... assuming everyone else lets Onoki charge his Jinton of course. And that's assuming Onoki is still alive which at this point its highly unlikely imo.

Gaara already failed to stop Mu from charging jinton. Onoki is canonically faster than Gaara so he will be able to continuously dodge his sand attacks. And you still haven't countered Baku.

@1stbold: Any links/scans to back that ridiculous claim?

What do I need scans for when we can put two and two together with logic? Destructive suicide technique + technique that rewrites history = spammable OP suicide technique. This should be simple to understand. The burden of proof lies on you actually, so you better start posting some scans which say otherwise.

@2nd: Yet he didn't and got low-diffed when outnumbered, which just proves my point.

How am I supposed to know character's motives for what they do in battle situations? Deidara simply chose not to, maybe he didn't understand how Edo regeneration worked? Same with Danzo, maybe he's just an idiot and decided not to do it. Just because a character didn't do something doesn't mean he can't.

 

[Unorthodox]

Gaara solos

 

[Beans2]

Gaara solos

Kotoamatsukami

 

[RicardoA]

When you're able to provide links/scans of a close-range attack like Ay or Tsunade's punch hitting an opponent flying in the air hundreds of meters away, then I might consider your point. There's really nothing to argue here, we both acknowledge that Onoki and Danzo will be able to fly, what exactly are you disagreeing with?

I'm disagreeing with the fact that you think flight gives some sort of immunity when the manga never implied such thing, in fact there have been multiple fights where one side had the flight advantage yet, that didn't stop the opposition from overwhelming or even winning.
Examples,

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Now a single air bullet is dispersing the mist?

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Just stick with Baku, i already typed i agree if you mention him as a counter.

Gaara already failed to stop Mu from charging jinton. Onoki is canonically faster than Gaara so he will be able to continuously dodge his sand attacks. And you still haven't countered Baku.

No. Gaara simply approached Onoki to help him, but before he needed to act, Naruto was already charging from behind. He didn't have to stop Muu from doing anything, that's what Naruto was aiming for.
Gaara wasn't even in panic about Muu, he calmly arrived next to Onoki and was only shocked to see Naruto (

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@bold: Any links/scans that make this a manga fact?

Baku gives Danzo a free shot and the opportunity to take out one kage. That's not taking down the whole team.
Mei can shoot anything that involves Katon or Tsunade can have Katsuyu shoot acid at it, done.

What do I need scans for when we can put two and two together with logic? Destructive suicide technique + technique that rewrites history = spammable OP suicide technique. This should be simple to understand. The burden of proof lies on you actually, so you better start posting some scans which say otherwise.

???
Your argument lies in your claims and thoughts that Danzo is something that he's not (an OP suicide machine), something that is completely fanfic, not logical, not supported by the manga, yet the burden of proof is on me?
So, basically you don't have an argument and i'm supposed to accept your opinion? That's doesn't lead anywhere >_>

How am I supposed to know character's motives for what they do in battle situations? Deidara simply chose not to, maybe he didn't understand how Edo regeneration worked? Same with Danzo, maybe he's just an idiot and decided not to do it. Just because a character didn't do something doesn't mean he can't.

You don't have to know anything, just deal with it. Danzo is not spamming a last resort jutsu.
That thing shouldn't even activate until he actually dies for real, otherwise it would've activated all the time against Sasuke, but it didn't. That would actually be pretty inconvenient for him.

Yeah, Kabuto revived everyone and didn't explain anything to them... For real? He blatantly said that relying on C0 would reduce the value of his art (

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) that's why he didn't do it from the get go.

@bold: Now i'm confused. An hardcore fan considering this possibility? He's a lot of things, but idiot is certainly not one of them.

 

[Beans2]

I'm disagreeing with the fact that you think flight gives some sort of immunity when the manga never implied such thing, in fact there have been multiple fights where one side had the flight advantage yet, that didn't stop the opposition from overwhelming or even winning.
Examples,

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,

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, etc...

I never claimed that. I never mentioned flight giving them immunity.

Now a single air bullet is dispersing the mist?

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Just stick with Baku, i already typed i agree if you mention him as a counter.

I don't...see...why not..? Do you see the scale of that fuuton? Danzo can always use multiple air bullets...And yeah, Baku works too.

No. Gaara simply approached Onoki to help him, but before he needed to act, Naruto was already charging from behind. He didn't have to stop Muu from doing anything, that's what Naruto was aiming for.
Gaara wasn't even in panic about Muu, he calmly arrived next to Onoki and was only shocked to see Naruto (

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Mu was charging jinton, not the first. Gaara couldn't reach Mu in time with his sand, so he made a sand platform for Naruto instead - who proceeded to use an extended chakra arm to nail Mu with a rasengan.

@bold: Any links/scans that make this a manga fact?

Deidara was easily outmaneuvering Gaara's sand attacks on his clay bird over and over again. Deidara on his bird was barely keeping up with Onoki, and even commented on Onoki's speed

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Baku gives Danzo a free shot and the opportunity to take out one kage. That's not taking down the whole team.
Mei can shoot anything that involves Katon or Tsunade can have Katsuyu shoot acid at it, done.

May I ask why not? Baku imprecisely sucks in everything in its path, it will suck up three kage, or twenty, just as easily as one. Mei spitting lava at Baku isn't an option since she will be whirling in the air towards it and in the confusion not be able to make hand seals (her hand seal speed is extremely slow, she couldn't even react to Madara's katon. Twice.) Lol at Katsuyu spitting acid, will Tsunade have time to summon the slug, tell Katsuyu what to do, and have her spit acid while she's whirling and tumbling through the air to her death? What's more, the acid is very slow and couldn't even hit a giant target like Manda.

???
Your argument lies in your claims and thoughts that Danzo is something that he's not (an OP suicide machine), something that is completely fanfic, not logical, not supported by the manga, yet the burden of proof is on me?
So, basically you don't have an argument and i'm supposed to accept your opinion? That's doesn't lead anywhere >_>

Prove to me that he cannot use the seal with izanagi activated. I'm waiting.

You don't have to know anything, just deal with it. Danzo is not spamming a last resort jutsu.
That thing shouldn't even activate until he actually dies for real, otherwise it would've activated all the time against Sasuke, but it didn't. That would actually be pretty inconvenient for him.

Yeah, Kabuto revived everyone and didn't explain anything to them... For real? He blatantly said that relying on C0 would reduce the value of his art (

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) that's why he didn't do it from the get go.

@bold: Now i'm confused. An hardcore fan considering this possibility? He's a lot of things, but idiot is certainly not one of them.

I DON'T KNOW WHY HE DIDN'T SPAM IT AGAINST SASUKE. THAT DOESN'T MEAN HE CAN'T. I don't consider myself a "hardcore Danzo fan", I like the character but I acknowledge he isn't the smartest when it comes to the intelligence department.

Honestly the real issue for me is that Danzo is probably too dumb to spam his suicide technique. He didn't do it against Sasuke, so he probably won't do it here. Maybe he would be more likely to do it if he was facing multiple opponents? Nonetheless, I'm not basing my argument off the notion that Danzo can be a spamming suicide bomber. He can do it, but most likely he won't. So I'd like to stop arguing over this point.

 

[Beans2]

^I got the quotations all messed up but i can't be bothered to fix it

 

[ARGUS]

Gokage wreck him

--A to blitz his head open and forrce him to overuse his izanagi, Onoki and A combo with lightened A makes this even easier

--Gaara constantly attacking him through his sand, and Mei using her hidden mist whilst tsunade bufffs up every other kage

--Earth Style Golem, alongside Meis KKG attacks such as Yoton to and ONokis jinton to get rid of Baku which is danzos only hope of firepower,

--Once danzo is perssured through gaara, a and onoki, he gets finished with relative ease

 

[Eternal Sage]

Onoki > A

Danzo > Gaara, Mei and Tsunade since they have no counter to Baku or Juinjutsu

Mei shoots lava into its mouth, gaara shoots sand -_-

 

[WalksInShadows]

Gokage will low diff Danzo supremely, whether he has full intel or not. Ei and Onoki's backpack combo will be overkill in this fight really, considering MS Sasuke couldn't keep up with Ei. On top of all of that, he's got nothing to keep him from being decimated by the strategies and atks used against Edo Madara.

 

[Beans2]

Gokage wreck him

--A to blitz his head open and forrce him to overuse his izanagi, Onoki and A combo with lightened A makes this even easier

--Gaara constantly attacking him through his sand, and Mei using her hidden mist whilst tsunade bufffs up every other kage

--Earth Style Golem, alongside Meis KKG attacks such as Yoton to and ONokis jinton to get rid of Baku which is danzos only hope of firepower,

--Once danzo is perssured through gaara, a and onoki, he gets finished with relative ease

Why is KA not being factored?