Danzo vs MS Itachi

[Uverdore9]

Truth be told, the Totsuka Blade doesn't instantly seal by touch. Itachi slashed Orochimaru's 8 headed snake 7 times and nothing got sealed, the sealing started after he penetrated, actually stabbed Orochimaru and even then did the sealing not start instantly. The same happened to Nagato. Itachi stabbed Nagato with the Totsuka and even then did the Totsuka not seal instantly, but after a few seconds.
It has his flaws otherwise would Itachi never have stated that nothing is perfect...

Thats true but you should understand that itachi wasnt trying to show off his powers at that period.

He wanted himself to be looking weak in front of Sasuke. Sasuke after learning the truth called itachi perfect. Totsuka doesnt need to pierce or take time to seal the target. Its an intangible blade which do not possess a fixed shape so it can alter it like Gudodama. Why should such a blade "pierce" something? Since the sealing jutsu is imbued all over the blade theres no statement that this jutsu activates only when piercing the target. Cutting activates it. Just that cutting wont absorb the target into the gourd. The databook puts context image when speaking about this part.

 

[Koutei]

Itachi not wanting to show off his powers to Sasuke has nothing to do with his usage of the Totsuka Blade on Orochimaru.

When Itachi activated his Susanoo was he already close to dying and his aim during his fight with Orochimaru was to end it as fast as possible. That is why he cut off the 7 heads so they won't be able to interrupt the sealing of the Totsuka Blade. Would the sealing have been instantly after a single touch would a single slash have sealed Orochimaru, yet did the sealing just happen when Itachi stabbed Orochimaru and even then did it take a few seconds until the sealing began, the same thing happened to Nagato. Itachi didn't try to slash Nagato, which would have covered a wider area and would have had a higher probability to touch Nagato, no, he stabbed Nagato and even then did the sealing not instantly happen.
It being stated or not, it is a feat we have seen now and it followed this pattern from Orochimaru until to Nagato. Cutting simply won't do the sealing and that is because the sealing is pretty slow. A stab and time is required for the sealing to be successful and that is it's weakness and that is why it won't work against Danzo.
The fact that it doesn't seal instantly gives Danzo the chance to rewrite him out of the Blade and Danzo is going to have the upperhand as Itachi lost through the activation of the Susanoo an immense amount of chakra and Danzo would have been fit as always.

 

[Uverdore9]

Itachi not wanting to show off his powers to Sasuke has nothing to do with his usage of the Totsuka Blade on Orochimaru.

When Itachi activated his Susanoo was he already close to dying and his aim during his fight with Orochimaru was to end it as fast as possible. That is why he cut off the 7 heads so they won't be able to interrupt the sealing of the Totsuka Blade. Would the sealing have been instantly after a single touch would a single slash have sealed Orochimaru, yet did the sealing just happen when Itachi stabbed Orochimaru and even then did it take a few seconds until the sealing began, the same thing happened to Nagato. Itachi didn't try to slash Nagato, which would have covered a wider area and would have had a higher probability to touch Nagato, no, he stabbed Nagato and even then did the sealing not instantly happen.
It being stated or not, it is a feat we have seen now and it followed this pattern from Orochimaru until to Nagato. Cutting simply won't do the sealing and that is because the sealing is pretty slow. A stab and time is required for the sealing to be successful and that is it's weakness and that is why it won't work against Danzo.
The fact that it doesn't seal instantly gives Danzo the chance to rewrite him out of the Blade and Danzo is going to have the upperhand as Itachi lost through the activation of the Susanoo an immense amount of chakra and Danzo would have been fit as always.

I'll agree on the cutting never seals by absorbing into the gourd part.

Though the fact remain the databook nor manga differentiate between the sealing jutsu and sword's location. It never state the jutsu activate only through piercing or cutting or stabbing. Only state the sword is imbued with a sealing jutsu. Suppose I say a water jar is imbued with poison. Do you suspect its on the tip of the jar or bottom or sidewards? You assume its on every bit of the jar right? Cause thats how common sense dictates how it works. There exist many type sealing jutsus in Narutoverse. Contract sealing or Soul sealing or Weapon sealing or Arm or Organ or Movement sealing. When slashed by Totsuka's Sword the powers of slashed object get sealed. There's a subtle feat proving this. Hydra Heads did not regenerate despite it being stated to regenerate from wounds. Once again he never slashed Nagato due to it being extremely inappriopriate to him to talk to a slitted body then sealing it. Orochimaru was given time to talk what does that say? Nothing but the fact itachi did not have a desire to showoff Totsuka. DB emphasizes the part where it states astral physical ninjutsu or taijutsu attacks do not work VS Totsuka so what happens when something do not work VS something? It disappears or get sealed off of its properties.

 

[Koutei]

When slashed by Totsuka's Sword the powers of slashed object get sealed. There's a subtle feat proving this. Hydra Heads did not regenerate despite it being stated to regenerate from wounds.

When was that part actually stated? The wiki doesn't state that and in chapter 392 was that never stated too, I sadly couldn't find the page of the third databook that had the stats of that jutsu, so where was that stated?
and Itachi didn't even "let" Orochimaru talk, Orochimaru stated that he was at last going to take over the body and that is when Itachi instantly stabbed Orochimaru, after Orochimaru was going to state, that such an attack won't work did the absoption start. Itachi was even about to die and he had to ensure that Sasuke would have been safe, there was nothing really hinting that he didn't want to show off the Totsuka as it had no relevance. He was going to die independant of what he shows or not. The 8 headed snake hasn't it's root from the Hydra btw... just saying

Let me citate myself "Let us not even forget that the Totsuka Blade doesn't seal instantly through any touch, but has to somehow penetrate the body and seals after a few seconds" and now to what you just now agreed "I'll agree on the cutting never seals by absorbing into the gourd part", yet did you state that I didn't know how it worked and agree'd on the statement I just reformulated on my 2nd post about this matter.

DB emphasizes the part where it states astral physical ninjutsu or taijutsu attacks do not work VS Totsuka so what happens when something do not work VS something? It disappears or get sealed off of its properties.

You just mixed the Totsuka Sword with the Yata Mirror.

Once again he never slashed Nagato due to it being extremely inappriopriate to him to talk to a slitted body then sealing it.

You just stated that the Totsuka Blade wouldn't have sealed with a slash and now excuse the said move with empathy. We just saw that the Totsuka Blade just can seal with a stab as the sealing takes way too long and wouldn't work with a slash. He didn't refuse to slash Nagato because of empathy or some kind of sympathy, he didn't because otherwise would the sealing not have worked.

 

[Uverdore9]

Then you've the fact Itachi has extreme strange habits.

Why did he not penetrate Oro from the start before he talked? Because so-so. Why did he not penetrate Oro Hydra instead of slashing its heads off, wasting time? Because so-so. Why did he deny him being perfect when Zetsu blatantly statement's he is perfect? Just because. His habitual traits come in between his combat power as noted several times by several shinobi(Tobi's comments, Kakashis comments).

 

[Uverdore9]

When was that part actually stated? The wiki doesn't state that and in chapter 392 was that never stated too, I sadly couldn't find the page of the third databook that had the stats of that jutsu, so where was that stated?
and Itachi didn't even "let" Orochimaru talk, Orochimaru stated that he was at last going to take over the body and that is when Itachi instantly stabbed Orochimaru, after Orochimaru was going to state, that such an attack won't work did the absoption start. Itachi was even about to die and he had to ensure that Sasuke would have been safe, there was nothing really hinting that he didn't want to show off the Totsuka as it had no relevance. He was going to die independant of what he shows or not. The 8 headed snake hasn't it's root from the Hydra btw... just saying

The databook states it.

Not to mention the Hydra feat symbolizing its regeneration being sealed off. Stated in DB it can regenerate. There's no explanation for the fact itachi waited it out though oro wouldnt say anything worthwhile. I dont think the "slow sealing" part is correct considering Itachi has authority over said sealing as he offered Nagato time to talk. Sasuke still watched the fight him seeing such a powerful entity'd result in him believing former is perfect which latter do not want him to believe

Let me citate myself "Let us not even forget that the Totsuka Blade doesn't seal instantly through any touch, but has to somehow penetrate the body and seals after a few seconds" and now to what you just now agreed "I'll agree on the cutting never seals by absorbing into the gourd part", yet did you state that I didn't know how it worked and agree'd on the statement I just reformulated on my 2nd post about this matter.

Slashing wont seal it into the gourd is what I agreed-on.

Slashing still seals

You just mixed the Totsuka Sword with the Yata Mirror.

Actually the databook uses plural "gods powers no attack'll work"

Which further imply both weapon possess such godly ability

You just stated that the Totsuka Blade wouldn't have sealed with a slash and now excuse the said move with empathy. We just saw that the Totsuka Blade just can seal with a stab as the sealing takes way too long and wouldn't work with a slash. He didn't refuse to slash Nagato because of empathy or some kind of sympathy, he didn't because otherwise would the sealing not have worked.

Im not excusing said move with empathy.

Im deriving a logical conclusion from such happenings due to most of it not tying the long term thread. Imagine a sliced splitted decapitated Nagato lying on the floor with one part of abdomen on either side then referring to a farewell speech directed to Itachi before being sealed. How childish'd that scene look? It'd pretty much go against situational seriousness. As I've observed the Sword follows Itachis Will as proven

 

[Koutei]

The databook states it.

Could you sent me the website of the databook's page or a panel, a screen or anything that could verify this?

Slashing wont seal it into the gourd is what I agreed-on.

Slashing still seals

As you like to use the databook, let me post a screen...

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. I sadly couldn't post a picture and had to do it with a link.. anyways. The databook clearly states "pierce".

Actually the databook uses plural "gods powers no attack'll work"

The passage you used was clearly limited to the Yata Mirror

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and they even made another text to simply avoid misunderstandings and explained every weapon individually. Here:

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Those screens of the databooks prove you wrong.

Then you've the fact Itachi has extreme strange habits.

Why did he not penetrate Oro from the start before he talked?

That is in the first place no weird habit, but a normal one every human has. Let us not forget that I already stated that Itachi interrupted Orochimaru and didn't even let him end his sentence. Here:

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He didn't let Orochimaru end his sentence and he didn't penetrate him instantly because he probably is human. People tend to let others speak out, another reason could be him waiting for Orochimaru to be open for an attack or him actually being held down by the stress the Susanoo had on his body... idk,it could be anything, but we cannot state our headcanons as fact. We can just theorise about this and by that can it not be used as facts... As those are theories and those weren't proven right or wrong and hold by that no weight for this discussion

PS: I hope you might send me a screen of the 8 headed snake page. I really was looking for it on the internet and couldn't find it.

 

[Uverdore9]

Could you sent me the website of the databook's page or a panel, a screen or anything that could verify this?

Oro's?

As you like to use the databook, let me post a screen...

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. I sadly couldn't post a picture and had to do it with a link.. anyways. The databook clearly states "pierce".

Yes it says that.

But the thing is what the databook extrapolates after showing an image is contextual. It just describes that the sword is piercing oro and sucking his soul out to put in the gourd. That is not proof the slash cannot seal. Thats just proof what get pierced get sealed into the gourd

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The passage you used was clearly limited to the Yata Mirror

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and they even made another text to simply avoid misunderstandings and explained every weapon individually. Here:

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Those screens of the databooks prove you wrong.

They actually support my argument

They clearly use plural when describing as they describe both weapon at first then go on extrapolating how no type of attack work VS them plus all attack lose thier meaning. What does losing meaning mean? It mean nothing other than hydra being not-hydra. A substance eradicates from existence if they lose thier meaning.

That is in the first place no weird habit, but a normal one every human has. Let us not forget that I already stated that Itachi interrupted Orochimaru and didn't even let him end his sentence. Here:

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He didn't let Orochimaru end his sentence and he didn't penetrate him instantly because he probably is human. People tend to let others speak out, another reason could be him waiting for Orochimaru to be open for an attack or him actually being held down by the stress the Susanoo had on his body... idk,it could be anything, but we cannot state our headcanons as fact. We can just theorise about this and by that can it not be used as facts... As those are theories and those weren't proven right or wrong and hold by that no weight for this discussion

PS: I hope you might send me a screen of the 8 headed snake page. I really was looking for it on the internet and couldn't find it.

I doubt that.

It could not be any sort of strain as those moments are visually showcased as blood coughing. Not to mention he was smiling while oro kept talking. Not to mention its not normal as every character attack without reservation VS thier sworn enemy. The only moments such happen is when the person at hand holds back and itachi in this case holds back. He strikes just before he states the last half of the sentence due to Sasuke potentially hearing it as that part was a secret Oro and itachi alone knew. He wanted him to believe he was powerful enough to kill him as he made a statement that itachi was going all out but tobi corrected him immediately stating he was putting on a facade plus was holding back. Those are not theories they just extrapolate on the fact such "observations" based on what itachi "chose to do" is sort of baseless in the sense he had many characteristic traits which do stuff just for the sake of it. He need not to wait out Oro as by hype Totsuka sounds as a perfect weapon plus the fact he chose not to end all of his battles with said Totsuka prove he have special traits which cannot be ignored. He just dislikes showing his whole prowess. The sealing exists in all parts of the blade the difference being Itachi's Will selects what to seal and what to not seal. Its ironic how he slashed the hydra heads though one touch was enough to seal the gigantic snake into the gourd so that movement was unnecessary. See? As I've stated early on he choses unnecessary actions just to appear not "invincible" plus the fact Naruto bee and Sasuke both of whom never knew his behaviour and invincibility were beside him. He always stated one'll fail if they do everything alone yet what happens if they find out he was invincible? All of his philosophy'll be contradicted by himself. Which maybe why he kept denying he was perfect when sasuke was full belief he was so

 

[Koutei]

Oro's?

Please send me the data book page or a screen of it that states that the Eight Headed Snake has regenerative or healing powers. I was looking for the page myself and couldn't find it. That would be the only (halfassed though) proof that a slash of the Totsuka Blade has some kind of sealing capabilities.

Yes it says that.

But the thing is what the databook extrapolates after showing an image is contextual. It just describes that the sword is piercing oro and sucking his soul out to put in the gourd. That is not proof the slash cannot seal. Thats just proof what get pierced get sealed into the gourd

The data book clearly limits it to piercing (

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), the other time Itachi sealed a person with the Totsuka was pierced too and therefor is that seen to be as canon until you prove the opposite. You couldn't prove that as you didn't post the asked page of the 8 Headed Snake I requested and you based your argumentation on. It was stated like that in the data book and that is a law for the Totsuka Sword. Sent me the page of the data book that states that the 8 Headed Snake has regenerative powers...

They clearly use plural when describing as they describe both weapon at first then go on extrapolating how no type of attack work VS them plus all attack lose thier meaning. What does losing meaning mean? It mean nothing other than hydra being not-hydra. A substance eradicates from existence if they lose thier meaning

... It was stated, "... and the Yata Mirror, a shield that can repel any attack. In the face of a god's powers, all attacks, whether from material or astral body, ninjutsu or physical, lose their meaning". "In the face of a god's powers" is a reference of the reference of the Yata Mirror, the Yata no Kagami, this weapon/shield/mirror was made by the god, deity Ishikoridome and that was clearly a reference to the Yata Mirror and not the Totsuka, the Blade has it's roots from the "Totsuka-no-Tsurugi", which was broken during the fight of Orochi, which was a 8 Headed Dragon... The Totsuka isn't even a specific sword, but just a name for bigger swords in the japanese lore and that is the point. Let us include the fact that after they began to talk about the Yata Mirror was all the defence capabilities stated...

I doubt that.

It could not be any sort of strain as those moments are visually showcased as blood coughing. Not to mention he was smiling while oro kept talking. Not to mention its not normal as every character attack without reservation VS thier sworn enemy. The only moments such happen is when the person at hand holds back and itachi in this case holds back. He strikes just before he states the last half of the sentence due to Sasuke potentially hearing it as that part was a secret Oro and itachi alone knew. He wanted him to believe he was powerful enough to kill him as he made a statement that itachi was going all out but tobi corrected him immediately stating he was putting on a facade plus was holding back. Those are not theories they just extrapolate on the fact such "observations" based on what itachi "chose to do" is sort of baseless in the sense he had many characteristic traits which do stuff just for the sake of it. He need not to wait out Oro as by hype Totsuka sounds as a perfect weapon plus the fact he chose not to end all of his battles prove he have special traits which cannot be ignored. He just dislikes showing his whole prowess.

You probably didn't understand me, we are in no position to simply decide what is canon or not. If you think that he didn't want to show off his powers then okay, but you can't use that as an argument as you can't back it up. Those are theories as you can't prove them to be right and that is why they hold no weight at all. Those just take the trustworthiness of your statements. You just refuse to understand this tbh

and yes, Sasuke didn't cough blood or had his eye bleeding against Mei and stated what kind of strain the Susanoo had on him, even though he was just spamming the ribcage, there are various variables Itachi didn't attack instantly, while he probably could have attacked instantly and the Susanoo being just a bit slow or him reacting a bit slower for x reasons. Him laughing could have simply been that he found an opportunity to seal Orochimaru out of Sasuke.... WHO KNOWS, I don't know that and so do you not know the very truth about this, so stop using this as an argument. He was interrupting Orochimaru and didn't let him end his sentence, that is a fact and I even gave the chapter.

 

[Uverdore9]

Please send me the data book page or a screen of it that states that the Eight Headed Snake has regenerative or healing powers. I was looking for the page myself and couldn't find it. That would be the only (halfassed though) proof that a slash of the Totsuka Blade has some kind of sealing capabilities.

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The data book clearly limits it to piercing (

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), the other time Itachi sealed a person with the Totsuka was pierced too and therefor is that seen to be as canon until you prove the opposite. You couldn't prove that as you didn't post the asked page of the 8 Headed Snake I requested and you based your argumentation on. It was stated like that in the data book and that is a law for the Totsuka Sword. Sent me the page of the data book that states that the 8 Headed Snake has regenerative powers...

It never limits it to piercing.

It just says those who are pierced get stuck in a genjutsu drunken world. The images shown plus the sentences attributed to said images speak only about said image, it does not make a rule like the one extrapolated in the middle paragraph.

... It was stated, "... and the Yata Mirror, a shield that can repel any attack. In the face of a god's powers, all attacks, whether from material or astral body, ninjutsu or physical, lose their meaning". "In the face of a god's powers" is a reference of the reference of the Yata Mirror, the Yata no Kagami, this weapon/shield/mirror was made by the god, deity Ishikoridome and that was clearly a reference to the Yata Mirror and not the Totsuka, the Blade has it's roots from the "Totsuka-no-Tsurugi", which was broken during the fight of Orochi, which was a 8 Headed Dragon... The Totsuka isn't even a specific sword, but just a name for bigger swords in the japanese lore and that is the point. Let us include the fact that after they began to talk about the Yata Mirror was all the defence capabilities stated...

Thats in real life mythology.

In Narutoverse kishi clearly intended to make both capable of withstanding all types of forces in nature. Its stated right after extrapolation of both. Else it would not be mentioned in main paragraph.

You probably didn't understand me, we are in no position to simply decide what is canon or not. If you think that he didn't want to show off his powers then okay, but you can't use that as an argument as you can't back it up. Those are theories as you can't prove them to be right and that is why they hold no weight at all. Those just take the trustworthiness of your statements. You just refuse to understand this tbh

and yes, Sasuke didn't cough blood or had his eye bleeding against Mei and stated what kind of strain the Susanoo had on him, even though he was just spamming the ribcage, there are various variables Itachi didn't attack instantly, while he probably could have attacked instantly and the Susanoo being just a bit slow or him reacting a bit slower for x reasons. Him laughing could have simply been that he found an opportunity to seal Orochimaru out of Sasuke.... WHO KNOWS, I don't know that and so do you not know the very truth about this, so stop using this as an argument. He was interrupting Orochimaru and didn't let him end his sentence, that is a fact and I even gave the chapter.

Its not a theory.

Theres obviously a reason why he gave him time to talk and smiled when he was nearing his sentence. Hes holding back so sasuke wouldnt see his most powerful form to make him believe he really stood a chance against him. Same case in the war arc, he did not use the weapons VS Kabuto Nagato until latter's end plus gave him extra time to talk. The sword follows his will or he cannot do what he did in Nagato's case.

 

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You just stated in your previous posts that the 8 Headed Snake has regenerative powers, something that was never stated in the data book or manga. Therefor is your only argument of slashing having some kind of sealing capabilities gone.

It never limits it to piercing.

It just says those who are pierced get stuck in a genjutsu drunken world. The images shown plus the sentences attributed to said images speak only about said image, it does not make a rule like the one extrapolated in the middle paragraph.

You are being ignorant as *beep* right now... The sealing jutsu of the Totsuka Blade is the one that seals the person it pierced into the world of drunken dreams AND THAT IS THE SEALING JUTSU. There isn't another sealing with the Totsuka Sword. That my friend is a clear statement that you just refuse to accept.

Thats in real life mythology.

In Narutoverse kishi clearly intended to make both capable of withstanding all types of forces in nature. Its stated right after extrapolation of both. Else it would not be mentioned in main paragraph.

What he intended or not isn't for you to decide, you are just a watcher as I am and the most of this website are. It was stated right after the explanation of the Yata Mirror. It was pretty much made clear that the Totsuka Blade is for offense and the Yata Mirror for defense. That passage was summing the defensive capabilities of the Yata Mirror up.

Its not a theory.

Theres obviously a reason why he gave him time to talk and smiled when he was nearing his sentence. Hes holding back so sasuke wouldnt see his most powerful form to make him believe he really stood a chance against him. Same case in the war arc, he did not use the weapons VS Kabuto Nagato until latter's end plus gave him extra time to talk. The sword follows his will or he cannot do what he did in Nagato's case.

Sasuke wasn't even conscious, Orochimaru was and he didn't instantly use them against Nagato and Kabuto because those wouldn't have done anything that early in the fight as Itachi was using the Totsuka Blade as a surprise attack towards Nagato and not as a focus of his battle tactic. He didn't let Orochimaru talk as he clearly interrupted him and the reason he smiled was "probably" because he was just able to free Sasuke from Orochimaru... What it exactly was is nothing that we can decide.

 

[To Whatever]

itachi wins

 

[Koutei]

Danzo clearly rapes. Enditallsin proved this more than once.

 

[Uverdore9]

You just stated in your previous posts that the 8 Headed Snake has regenerative powers, something that was never stated in the data book or manga. Therefor is your only argument of slashing having some kind of sealing capabilities gone.

It say it have regenerative property

You are being ignorant as *beep* right now... The sealing jutsu of the Totsuka Blade is the one that seals the person it pierced into the world of drunken dreams AND THAT IS THE SEALING JUTSU. There isn't another sealing with the Totsuka Sword. That my friend is a clear statement that you just refuse to accept.

No

There was never an exception stated for the sealing technique. The sword sealed anything everything came into contact with it. That was how source material described it. There is no way a powerful magical tool like Totsuka have such drawback. That was not how it was portrayed. Going by your logic Gudodama can only reduce people it pierce because Obito pierce Hiruzen instead of merely touching him. That is going against Manga my friend you're ignoring factual portrayal to write
That type of conclusion

What he intended or not isn't for you to decide, you are just a watcher as I am and the most of this website are. It was stated right after the explanation of the Yata Mirror. It was pretty much made clear that the Totsuka Blade is for offense and the Yata Mirror for defense. That passage was summing the defensive capabilities of the Yata Mirror up.

No

Im not a watcher I've intellect to disfigure the context stated on panel. Right after TB being described the rest been described. No going VS that. Iron rule made by Kishimoto. Not to mention context images are not rule but just extrapolation of what being shown on said panel

Sasuke wasn't even conscious, Orochimaru was and he didn't instantly use them against Nagato and Kabuto because those wouldn't have done anything that early in the fight as Itachi was using the Totsuka Blade as a surprise attack towards Nagato and not as a focus of his battle tactic. He didn't let Orochimaru talk as he clearly interrupted him and the reason he smiled was "probably" because he was just able to free Sasuke from Orochimaru... What it exactly was is nothing that we can decide.

Sasuke was not in right condition mental state.

Exactly. So why did he cut off branch instead of sealing it from start? Why exactly? Because he never wanted fully seal Oro. Think about it. Itachi allowed oro off sparing latter skull for mere hand. He allowed him to runaway. Same pattern here. He simply stalled him cut off branches without activation of sealing technique because he wanted oro to revive again. Remember the dude body have been linked to Curse Mark through Chakra hence why he revived. He allowed him runaway second time for him be revived through Curse Mark. Had he sealed Whole Hydra the chakra connection between other Curse Mark'd be negated hence he cant be revived again. Hence allowed eight branches parts to lay on ground

 

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Itachi win

Sealing technique VS Illusion technique. Manga recall the Sword possess incredible sealing technique connected by incredibly powerful Genjutsu hence both connected each other. Illusion Genjutsu part negate Izanagi Illusion part, Sealing technique negate technique use negating repetition spamming. Hence dude wont use said illusion after technique ripped off the arsenal through seal

 

[Koutei]

It say it have regenerative property

Seriously, you are just nitpicking some words to make you sound right, you don't even read or consider the whole text. Your post (

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) clearly states, that the regenerative powers of the white snake was used by Orochimaru to achieve that mode. The proof is right here, "using the regenerative powers of the white snake as his vehicle, Orochimaru transforms into an eight-headed...", it was nowhere stated that the 8-headed snake has regenerative powers, but that Orochimaru used regenerative powers to get that form.

No

There was never an exception stated for the sealing technique. The sword sealed anything everything came into contact with it. That was how source material described it. There is no way a powerful magical tool like Totsuka have such drawback. That was not how it was portrayed. Going by your logic Gudodama can only reduce people it pierce because Obito pierce Hiruzen instead of merely touching him. That is going against Manga my friend you're ignoring factual portrayal to write
That type of conclusion

After both were explained did they state that all kind of attacks are ineffective, later on did they clarify that the Yata Mirror has the purpose of defense, while the Totsuka Sword spills some kind of liquid that forms the sword and that it sucks the soul out and seals it inside the bottle. Meaning that the Totsuka Sword can just seal living matter and not all jutsus. It can't seal anything without a soul and it can't seal stuff like elemental jutsus, that is the purpose of the Yata Mirror, blocking the techniques the Totsuka Sword can't do anything against and the Totsuka sealing the people that the Yata Mirror can't do shit against, as the Yata Mirror is a shield without any offensive propertie.

No


Im not a watcher I've intellect to disfigure the context stated on panel. Right after TB being described the rest been described. No going VS that. Iron rule made by Kishimoto. Not to mention context images are not rule but just extrapolation of what being shown on said panel

What? The Totsuka Sword was said to be a a sword "that is endowed with the power to plunge those it pierces into a genjutsu world of drunken dreams and seal them away of all time." One cannot exist with the other and later on was it clarified to be ONE thing... "The blade itself is imbued with the sealing jutsu". He can't seal anything without piercing it as the sealed soul has just the possibility to go to the bottle. Without piercing it can the soul go nowhere and the sealing wouldn't work,

Sasuke was not in right condition mental state.

Exactly. So why did he cut off branch instead of sealing it from start? Why exactly? Because he never wanted fully seal Oro. Think about it. Itachi allowed oro off sparing latter skull for mere hand. He allowed him to runaway. Same pattern here. He simply stalled him cut off branches without activation of sealing technique because he wanted oro to revive again. Remember the dude body have been linked to Curse Mark through Chakra hence why he revived. He allowed him runaway second time for him be revived through Curse Mark. Had he sealed Whole Hydra the chakra connection between other Curse Mark'd be negated hence he cant be revived again. Hence allowed eight branches parts to lay on ground

Oh my god, how much of a Itachi fanboy are you actually?! Itachi knew about stuff that Sasuke learned about while he was training with Orochimaru? You are just assuming shit that you can't even know, he clearly slashed the other heads of Orochimaru so Orochimaru won't have the chance to interrupt the contact with himself and the Totsuka Blade, as I stated before, the Totsuka Sword just seals via stab, without it will it just be a pretty big sword and that is the reason why he slashed the other heads at first. He at first destroyed the chances of Orochimaru free'ing himself from the stab, the other 7 heads of the 8 headed snake could have pushed the Susanoo away and with that the Totsuka Sword out of Orochimaru too or whatever and that is why he at first slashed the other heads away. He sealed the whole hydra and you are just making shit up, where was it stated that Itachi didn't absorb the whole Orochimaru?? Where was it stated that Itachi knew about the CM thing?? Something that just Sasuke and Kabuto knew about.

You are just making things up. STOP!!

Itachi win

Sealing technique VS Illusion technique. Manga recall the Sword possess incredible sealing technique connected by incredibly powerful Genjutsu hence both connected each other. Illusion Genjutsu part negate Izanagi Illusion part, Sealing technique negate technique use negating repetition spamming. Hence dude wont use said illusion after technique ripped off the arsenal through seal

What? The sealing doesn't happen instantly, Danzo has more than enough time to write himself out of the Totsuka Blade. Itachi's genjutsu would be useless as Danzo would simply use Kai or Izanagi to free himself out of them, MS abilities would just drain itachi more and the prep for Izanami is just way too long, by theory could Danzo just have used his Kotoamatsukami and gg Itachi. Not considering Kotoamatsukami would still leave us with the op Izanagi spam, let us not even forget that it is something even Sasuke couldn't sense and Itachi won't be able to sense that too. Itachi would have to keep using his clones, and other jutsus to deal with Danzo, something he could have simply blocked with his regular wind style or if he wanted to with his Izanagi and spawn somewhere and catch Itachi by surprise. Sasuke went from 1 fight with Danzo blind and Itachi until now always had to use his MS abilities, Itachi can't do anything against Danzo.

 

[ThelUchiha]

Itachi one shots - also Itachi alrdy knows about Izanagi/Izanami and could see what is Danzo trying to pull out and would only counter it

lol@ the comments that Danzo wins this

 

[Koutei]

Itachi one shots - also Itachi alrdy knows about Izanagi/Izanami and could see what is Danzo trying to pull out and would only counter it

lol@ the comments that Danzo wins this

Counter what? Sasuke knew how Izanagi worked too and still couldn't really catch Danzo at surprise until he he used Izanagi around 10 times. He can't really one shot Danzo as Danzo could keep rewriting the reality with his 10 Sharingan before Itachi has all of his conditions for Izanami done. Genjutsu, Amaterasu, Tsukuyomi and even the Totsuka are as I reasoned and backed everything up useless too. Fire Style and Shurikenjutsu are left and those won't do shit.

 

[Uverdore9]

Seriously, you are just nitpicking some words to make you sound right, you don't even read or consider the whole text. Your post (

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) clearly states, that the regenerative powers of the white snake was used by Orochimaru to achieve that mode. The proof is right here, "using the regenerative powers of the white snake as his vehicle, Orochimaru transforms into an eight-headed...", it was nowhere stated that the 8-headed snake has regenerative powers, but that Orochimaru used regenerative powers to get that form.


After both were explained did they state that all kind of attacks are ineffective, later on did they clarify that the Yata Mirror has the purpose of defense, while the Totsuka Sword spills some kind of liquid that forms the sword and that it sucks the soul out and seals it inside the bottle. Meaning that the Totsuka Sword can just seal living matter and not all jutsus. It can't seal anything without a soul and it can't seal stuff like elemental jutsus, that is the purpose of the Yata Mirror, blocking the techniques the Totsuka Sword can't do anything against and the Totsuka sealing the people that the Yata Mirror can't do shit against, as the Yata Mirror is a shield without any offensive propertie.


What? The Totsuka Sword was said to be a a sword "that is endowed with the power to plunge those it pierces into a genjutsu world of drunken dreams and seal them away of all time." One cannot exist with the other and later on was it clarified to be ONE thing... "The blade itself is imbued with the sealing jutsu". He can't seal anything without piercing it as the sealed soul has just the possibility to go to the bottle. Without piercing it can the soul go nowhere and the sealing wouldn't work,


Oh my god, how much of a Itachi fanboy are you actually?! Itachi knew about stuff that Sasuke learned about while he was training with Orochimaru? You are just assuming shit that you can't even know, he clearly slashed the other heads of Orochimaru so Orochimaru won't have the chance to interrupt the contact with himself and the Totsuka Blade, as I stated before, the Totsuka Sword just seals via stab, without it will it just be a pretty big sword and that is the reason why he slashed the other heads at first. He at first destroyed the chances of Orochimaru free'ing himself from the stab, the other 7 heads of the 8 headed snake could have pushed the Susanoo away and with that the Totsuka Sword out of Orochimaru too or whatever and that is why he at first slashed the other heads away. He sealed the whole hydra and you are just making shit up, where was it stated that Itachi didn't absorb the whole Orochimaru?? Where was it stated that Itachi knew about the CM thing?? Something that just Sasuke and Kabuto knew about.

You are just making things up. STOP!!


What? The sealing doesn't happen instantly, Danzo has more than enough time to write himself out of the Totsuka Blade. Itachi's genjutsu would be useless as Danzo would simply use Kai or Izanagi to free himself out of them, MS abilities would just drain itachi more and the prep for Izanami is just way too long, by theory could Danzo just have used his Kotoamatsukami and gg Itachi. Not considering Kotoamatsukami would still leave us with the op Izanagi spam, let us not even forget that it is something even Sasuke couldn't sense and Itachi won't be able to sense that too. Itachi would have to keep using his clones, and other jutsus to deal with Danzo, something he could have simply blocked with his regular wind style or if he wanted to with his Izanagi and spawn somewhere and catch Itachi by surprise. Sasuke went from 1 fight with Danzo blind and Itachi until now always had to use his MS abilities, Itachi can't do anything against Danzo.

Lot of misinterpretatingly, innacurate information

I'll handle this later

 

[Koutei]

Lot of misinterpretatingly, innacurate information

I'll handle this later

No, alot of usage of databooks and chapters, while you are interpreting stuff like you want them to be to make your favorite character win.