Danzo was constantly getting killed because:
A) death doesn't matter when using izanagi
And
B) He didn't have 3 tomoe sharingan. In Fact he was fighting sasuke the entire time with 1 eye so depth of field was out of the question as well.
A) Because he was too weak to avoid getting killed. Thus why he was in such a rush to get those seals off his arm. And why he called it a risk when he went a minute without izanagi. Literally 60 seconds.
B) Because his base skills weren't good enough for him to kill Sasuke once with 10 minutes of immortality. His base speed isn't enough. And lel at him using his sharingan in combat when he obviously keeps it covered because of chakra consumption like Kakashi. And Izanagi eats his reserves. He'll kill himself trying to use the sharingan offensively on top of it. After about 7 minutes of battle his chakra was so low he couldn't control Hashirama's cells anymore.
You know the gulf of strength difference between 3t kakashi and no sharingan kakashi. Same applies here.
Tsunade directly questioned him asking " But from another angle, you could say we managed to corner you into having to substitute a doppleganger for yourself. No?"
To which Madara admitted when he said " Well. There IS just one of me against the five of you..."
And even then madara words trump yours he only set the clone up because it was 5v1, not 2v1, or 1v1 like youre tryna make it out to be:
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Madara already made clear where she sits when it comes to taijutsu. Shes slower than ay but stronger, which is irrelevant here.
Basic logic says A+B < C and A+D> C then D must be bigger than B. Since Tsunade and Ay both attack using taijutsu and Ay's taijutsu couldn't push Madara then Tsunade has the stronger. Furthermore we could literally see where everyone was. From their position there was no assistance Ay and Oonoki could provide and Gaara was prepping a sealing jutsu. So obviously it was a MEi and Tsunade combo basic deduction.
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Since izanagi shrugs off her punches. So that leaves her at slower than ay. Not no >>>>> bs you like typing.
Stop responding to some argument I didn't make. That's the problem with the base these days.
Its the genjutsu cast on oneself. Not others. He cant take away sasuke's advantages because their sasukes. It has nothing to do with his body. So yes he'll still respawn from bpd.
Well according to Tobi's description he could... unless he actually couldn't. But then, that makes Tobi an unreliable source for that part doesn't it.
If that's the case why didn't Danzo make the burns themselves simply an illusion and continue in his assault the numerous times he got nailed with Amateratsu. Because he has to die.
Since when? show me a scan.
Also show me a scan of katsusyu having food cart destroyer
I'll show you scans of Tsunade summoning at varying distances. Meaning that she can also use food cart destroyer as she's summoned in close, mid, and long range.
. The susanoo popped at the same time it stabbed her. So I don't get your point. It also required no handsigns, so she wouldn't have heard those beforehand.
im sure i alerady covered this. He follows it up with 3t genjutsu.
Tsunade has a perfect genjutsu counter once Katusuyu makes her debut. And even if she didn't Danzo proves Kai Release method works on sharingan genjutsu anyway.
danzo does his seals faster than sasuke can shoot susanoo arrows. something ms kakashi can't physically dodge. so no he's getting his techs off. there gonna hit her. Same way they hit sasuke.
Prove that because Danzo's wind techniques certainly don't have the hype of being instakills like the Heavenly Transfer Technqiue. And even if it were the case, The Sword of Kusunagi is obviously sharper than wind, at least of the sort that Danzo conjured up, hurting a staff as hard as diamond. You just posted pure speculation. The only things we've seen the Heavenly Transfer Technique move are the Sage of Six Paths Tools and Ay and Tsunade. Yet we know for a fact that people were torn apart by the technique due to Mabui. So I'd love to watch you prove this.
A) Because he was too weak to avoid getting killed. Thus why he was in such a rush to get those seals off his arm. And why he called it a risk when he went a minute without izanagi. Literally 60 seconds.
B) Because his base skills weren't good enough for him to kill Sasuke once with 10 minutes of immortality. His base speed isn't enough. And lel at him using his sharingan in combat when he obviously keeps it covered because of chakra consumption like Kakashi.
A)Not true, when izanagi isnt active he has shown to be very capable of avoiding getting killed. Reread the fight. While izanagi IS active, life and death dont matter since hill simply respawn. Therefore taking precautions to avoid getting killed is a waste of time and chakra. Don't misconstrued it.
B)No his base skills cant get past susanoo. Something tsunade is nowhere near as durable as. Its the only reason sasuke even had a chance. And You're wrong about the karin part. Despite having no arm he flat out dodged sasuke chidori, mean he did in fact "best him" and this despite the whole in his chest, his low chakra, him worrying about who he thought was madara and his missing arm.
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Read the manga. He kept it covered because shisui's eye was still recuperating, from its earlier use on mifune. Chakra isn't a problem that's what he has the hashirama arm for. Dude was constantly having to leverage what he used on sasuke while waiting for shisui's eye while, keeping watch for obito who he thought was madara.
And Izanagi eats his reserves. He'll kill himself trying to use the sharingan offensively on top of it. After about 7 minutes of battle his chakra was so low he couldn't control Hashirama's cells anymore.
Dude had 1 arm and a whole in his chest. -_- still dodged chidori
Tsunade directly questioned him asking " But from another angle, you could say we managed to corner you into having to substitute a doppleganger for yourself. No?"
To which Madara admitted when he said " Well. There IS just one of me against the five of you..."
We. As in All 5. Not just tsunade. And to top it off you don't know when he made the switch. It can be from any point after he let himself get hit by ononoki, that they were fighting a mere wood clone.
Basic logic says A+B < C and A+D> C then D must be bigger than B. Since Tsunade and Ay both attack using taijutsu and Ay's taijutsu couldn't push Madara then Tsunade has the stronger. Furthermore we could literally see where everyone was. From their position there was no assistance Ay and Oonoki could provide and Gaara was prepping a sealing jutsu. So obviously it was a MEi and Tsunade combo basic deduction.
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Stop responding to some argument I didn't make. That's the problem with the base these days.
Thats your bad logic. Him complementing 1 aspect of tsunade doesn't mean she has better taijutsu, it just means she's physically stronger than raikage. Which IS true. Raikage doesn't have the physical strength to get past susanoo. She does. To automatically push that as tsunade>raikage in taijutsu is an insane reach.It can easily be flipped as raikage>tsunade taijutsu since he's faster. There's more than 1 aspect at play here hence why I said abc doesn't apply. And again The damn chick literally says 5:
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Not to mention you see oonoki and ay follow up mei's attack:
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Well according to Tobi's description he could... unless he actually couldn't. But then, that makes Tobi an unreliable source for that part doesn't it.
If that's the case why didn't Danzo make the burns themselves simply an illusion and continue in his assault the numerous times he got nailed with Amateratsu. Because he has to die.
He got hit by ama once. And its up to danzo. So moot point. But more to the point to show you how wrong you are:
Danzo expected izanagi to activate here:
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Dispite the fact that he later gets stabbed again, and loses his arm, meaning it was going to activate long before "death" became a reality for him. Driving home the point that its activation has nothing to do with death. By your logic danzo shouldn't expect anything to kick in until he loses his arm and gets stabbed again.
This is compounded by the fact that danzo was going to use shisui's eye for izanagi as well, meaning it has nothing to do with death.
Then there's danzo using izanagi on mere shuriken. Which given what he already got hit by (chidori long spear) wouldn't kill him. Yet it still activated. So yes BPD get the izanagi treatment, like everything else does.
I'll show you scans of Tsunade summoning at varying distances. Meaning that she can also use food cart destroyer as she's summoned in close, mid, and long range.
Her summoning at various distances does not mean she can summon into the sky while shes on the floor. doesn't work like that. Both naruto and jaman can also "summon at various distances" and yet they still take the time out to make the distinction between the two techniques. She doesn't have it.
. The susanoo popped at the same time it stabbed her. So I don't get your point. It also required no handsigns, so she wouldn't have heard those beforehand.
she'd hear the wood break before the sword stabs her by your logic yet it still caught her ass.
Tsunade has a perfect genjutsu counter once Katusuyu makes her debut. And even if she didn't Danzo proves Kai Release method works on sharingan genjutsu anyway.
Prove that because Danzo's wind techniques certainly don't have the hype of being instakills like the Heavenly Transfer Technqiue. And even if it were the case, The Sword of Kusunagi is obviously sharper than wind, at least of the sort that Danzo conjured up, hurting a staff as hard as diamond. You just posted pure speculation. The only things we've seen the Heavenly Transfer Technique move are the Sage of Six Paths Tools and Ay and Tsunade. Yet we know for a fact that people were torn apart by the technique due to Mabui. So I'd love to watch you prove this.
I'm not in the business of pathetic hype. Ay tanked the transfer with no armour and took no damage despite not being as durable as his father:
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The same ay that even with his armour took damage from chidori:
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Kisame makes it clear that only high lvl users in raiton skill can compare to fuuton techs in terms of penetration and cutting. and even then the feat the pencil achieved (going through 1 tree) pales in comparison to that of a wind user and even when holding back is easily replicated:
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And when not holding back we get this:
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So it's only logical that danzo, someone who has shown far more proficiency in wind techs than asuma and has a wind blade of comparable size:
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would get comparable results.
And FYI eman never said oro's sword can cut him:
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Nor did she tank the sword, i swear ppl be using that word wrong, the shit went through her:
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soo all of that bs hype goes out the window.
Another thing you lied on is her being able to hear hand seals, you based it upon her hearing irregular heartbeats but anyone. and I mean ANYONE can hear your heartbeat when they decide to put their ear directly to your chest:
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It being irregular is her medical knoledge. Not her "super hearing skills"
Unless youre gonna start pulling this crap for sakura as well, when she also heard his heartbeat (or lack thereof cant remember).
When Madara was conceding that he got overwhelmed indirectly. He certainly wasn't going to be heaping praise. Let's keep context of phrasing intact shall we? At least that way you don't end up arguing against your own eyes.
A)Not true, when izanagi isnt active he has shown to be very capable of avoiding getting killed. Reread the fight. While izanagi IS active, life and death dont matter since hill simply respawn. Therefore taking precautions to avoid getting killed is a waste of time and chakra. Don't misconstrued it.
B)No his base skills cant get past susanoo. Something tsunade is nowhere near as durable as. Its the only reason sasuke even had a chance. And You're wrong about the karin part. Despite having no arm he flat out dodged sasuke chidori, mean he did in fact "best him" and this despite the whole in his chest, his low chakra, him worrying about who he thought was madara and his missing arm.
A. No he didn't. He got smacked by Susanoo. Which would kill him if Tsunade did it while Izanagi was down. Then created a tree to save him from a last minute arrow. Which is generally the issue. Someone whose greatest ninjutsu feat is creating a single tree is not going to compare to Tsunade. Even Madara's Susanoo clones are stronger than that. Which she did fight alone. This is ridic.
B. What? How does Izanagi help him get past susanoo. It doesn't it only covers his sloppiness in battle.
B.2 So you're saying that not being able to counter, but running the other direction quantifies Danzo keeping up in a higher speed battle, with an opponent more skilled in taijutsu?
Read the manga. He kept it covered because shisui's eye was still recuperating, from its earlier use on mifune. Chakra isn't a problem that's what he has the hashirama arm for. Dude was constantly having to leverage what he used on sasuke while waiting for shisui's eye while, keeping watch for obito who he thought was madara.
Let's say Danzo does have the ability to use his sharingan while in battle.
Still hasn't shown anything that gives him the upper hand in this matchup. And to get that seal off his arm he'd lose the 3 tomoe to Izanagi in the first place as that seal on his arm, takes entirely too long to release.
Cool. Tsunade had a whole through her abdomen and still surprised Madara. He doesn't have the feats to compare.
We. As in All 5. Not just tsunade. And to top it off you don't know when he made the switch. It can be from any point after he let himself get hit by ononoki, that they were fighting a mere wood clone.
Yes because show boating is cool. It's why the star on NBA teams credit themselves for the teams victory :|
He couldn't have replaced himself while all eyes were on him from a distance. :| He clearly used the replacement jutsu to avoid Tsunade. He wouldn't have been able to make the switch during the actual Gokage team blitz as he was literally being barraged faster than he could keep up.
Thats your bad logic. Him complementing 1 aspect of tsunade doesn't mean she has better taijutsu, it just means she's physically stronger than raikage. Which IS true. Raikage doesn't have the physical strength to get past susanoo. She does.
Didn't say it did. Stop putting words in my mouth. Madara blocked Ay at point blank while dodging Mei's jutsu. If Madara can block a full speed Ay at point blank range with his arms, then he was more than capable of fighting Ay without the use of susanoo. But that's beside the point because the purpose of the Oonoki and Ay duo was to break through Susanoo. Which begs the question of why the duo wasn't pressing Madara in taijutsu. With their faster speed if Ay became equipped with the ability to damage susanoo.
To automatically push that as tsunade>raikage in taijutsu is an insane reach.It can easily be flipped as raikage>tsunade taijutsu since he's faster.
No, That's dumb. To imply that fighting is broken down into speed is simplistic. You falsely proposed that I asserted her strength was the determining factor meanwhile you forgot to account for Ay's clear workaround in the manga for breaking susanoo, which destroys your argument. If ay was capable of pushing Madara like that it would have happened before Tsunade joined the fray.
There's more than 1 aspect at play here hence why I said abc doesn't apply. And again The damn chick literally says 5:
Ok and use some common sense. What was Gaara doing at the moment Madara got pressured? We can literally use our eyes and see that he didn't help Tsunade land her blow. This is what I don't get. You can tell me I don't know what directly preceded Tsunade punching him. But I can see directly after. And based on the abilities of the characters, and their positions in the immediate during and after, we can conclude certain information. You act like one cannot deduce x+5=8 when the beginning x is missing you simply use the conclusion and the immediate snippet to inform you as to x.
Not to mention you see oonoki and ay follow up mei's attack:
Driving home the point that its activation has nothing to do with death. By your logic danzo shouldn't expect anything to kick in until he loses his arm and gets stabbed again.
This is compounded by the fact that danzo was going to use shisui's eye for izanagi as well, meaning it has nothing to do with death.
Then there's danzo using izanagi on mere shuriken. Which given what he already got hit by (chidori long spear) wouldn't kill him. Yet it still activated. So yes BPD get the izanagi treatment, like everything else does.
Well that would imply that losing a wood arm would kill you. Which is stupid as he wasn't even bleeding from the arm. So what was going to kill him from it? Nothing. He just doesn't have an arm now. But as far as him expecting to use Izanagi when getting stabbed in the chest by a katana by a person who has shown more taijutsu skill than he and great precision tends to make good sense, doesn't it?
Her summoning at various distances does not mean she can summon into the sky while shes on the floor. doesn't work like that. Both naruto and jaman can also "summon at various distances" and yet they still take the time out to make the distinction between the two techniques. She doesn't have it.
This is the dumbest thing I read all day. She literally summoned diagonally, you sound dumb. Also summoned above the ground with 10% Katsuyu who dropped down. Thus the smoke (blue) being in the air when it forms around the summon as seen directly in the pic of her summoning diagonally
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You can even tell she made impact because of the dust cloud (orange-yellow) that looks distinctly different than the smoke, and the particles flying out of the dust cloud(green).
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You're grasping for straws.
Ninjutsu, B-rank, Offensive, All Ranges
User: Jiraiya
All strategies are meaningless! Such is the incomparably hard pressure of the Toad’s abdomen!! The groundbreaking fall of the giant Toad!
A destructive dive that takes full advantage of a giant Toad’s bodily mass! The strength of the fall varies depending on the caster. In the case of someone like Jiraiya from the Sannin, the summon can be performed in an instant right above the target, further adding the great gravitational force of a good several hundred meters high dive to the Toad’s own weight!!
The earth-crawling python is efficiently attacked from above! Caught into the fall of the giant Toad, it cannot perform any technique, in spite of its characteristically sharp spirit…
If Tsunade has demonstrated the ability to move the slug across the x, y, and z axis. And has moved the slug several hundred meters, (from the back of War area to the front of lines of the God Tree) then what are you arguing. The most credible argument you could have is that she can move it no higher on the Z axis. Which has no justification as it has not been expressed to be the that it it is more difficult to move a summon across the x and y axis than it is across the z axis. It's pure conjecture.
Beyond that it's an obvious conclusion that Tsunade is a master of the sumoning jutsu. Using no hand signs at all to summon, whilst bisected. (significantly closer to death than Danzo was)
she'd hear the wood break before the sword stabs her by your logic yet it still caught her ass.
WHAT!??! Didn't Itachi put his susanoo up before Kirin could hit him. And you say in the time before the instant creation thrusting she'd have time. Danzo has 0 instant techniques. Nor can he erase his presence she'll hear him.
Stop it. Not being as durable as his father is irrelevant. No evidence Danzo would hurt Ay, who was heavily implied to be durable.
The same ay that even with his armour took damage from chidori:
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Kisame makes it clear that only high lvl users in raiton skill can compare to fuuton techs in terms of penetration and cutting. and even then the feat the pencil achieved (going through 1 tree) pales in comparison to that of a wind user and even when holding back is easily replicated:
Raikiri is so sharp that it can cut lightning. No Fuuton has been described as so sharp that it could Nature's lightning. Gai clearly said that Chidori is raikiri. By the time in which Sasuke fought Ay his chidori seemed as proficient as Kakashi's. Sasuke's in the chuunin exam's could casually penetrate Gaara's absolute defense. And even still it didn't fully penetrate Ay's skin.
Furthermore you're over-hyping fuuton. Bee was clearly not at all serious when he threw a PENCIL. He was obviously "holding back". To suggest otherwise is dishonest. In fact, he wasn't even looking at Kisame.
So it's only logical that danzo, someone who has shown far more proficiency in wind techs than asuma and has a wind blade of comparable size:
Still doesn't put it in Lightning Blade's tier of sharpness.
Also Asuma didn't need to spit wind onto his blade to make a wind blade. So far more proficiency is certainly a stretch as well. You may have been unhappy with what you saw, but what you saw=/= Asuma's total arsenal.
I didn't say it did. But to hurt something as hard as diamond with your sharpness is impressive nonetheless. Clearly implied by even though its a metal blade, implying that others couldn't.
Nor did she tank the sword, i swear ppl be using that word wrong, the shit went through her:
Yes the Sword of Kusunagi pierced her flesh. However, when swung did not slice through her body.
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Like has been done with kunais and swords alike. ( A lot of people like to argue that Orochimaru's neck would have been supporting the sword which ignores the fact that Orochimaru throws and chokes people with his tongue, and his neck was able to support sending 4 tail Naruto slamming into stone. All leading to the inevitable statement that Orochimaru's neck is clearly not like anyone elses and has shown itself capable of supporting force before and later)
In fact the only things to ever pierce Tsunade were legendary items or weapons. And not even all of them. (Yasaka Magatama [Itachi's strongest Long Range Jutsu]) That's my point. Then there is Danzo's wind who doesn't have the hype or feats of being sharp enough (independent of elemental advantages) of cutting lightning, it doesn't have the hype or feats ripping people to pieces, it doesn't have the hype or feats as being as strong being as capable in any regard as Susanoo including piercing power. Just baseless bull crap. You rambled of some stuff about elemental superiority. But let's keep in mind that the only reason you're so impressed by Danzo's fuuton at all, is because a mythological creature boosted his fuuton with suction so strong that v3 susanoo couldn't move. That suction is far above Danzo's level alone. You can't quantify how boosted the attack was but you wish to assert how lethal the attack would be based on it's boosted effectiveness. Do you see the problem?
Her body stopping the sword allows for the usage of the word tank. Just so we're clear. Just like she tanked Heavenly transfer for that same reason. As both of those damages were ultimately inconsequential.
Another thing you lied on is her being able to hear hand seals, you based it upon her hearing irregular heartbeats but anyone. and I mean ANYONE can hear your heartbeat when they decide to put their ear directly to your chest:
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It being irregular is her medical knoledge. Not her "super hearing skills"
Unless youre gonna start pulling this crap for sakura as well, when she also heard his heartbeat (or lack thereof cant remember).
Look, you don't quite have the knowledge base to try and distinguish which moment I am talking about clearly. I was talking about this.
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It would seem as though Tsunade has a heightened sense of hearing. Why do I say this? Because she was able to determine Orochimaru's hearbeat was erratic,and if she had seen his pulse then there would have been no reason to listen to Naruto's heart beat. And when she listened to Naruto's heart she was able to determine what kind of damage was done to Naruto's heart. From the sound alone, without the amplification stethoscopes give. Stop being petty and take this L.
And all of this ignores that after Katsuyu kills Baku, Danzo is screwed beyond belief being completely overwhelmed by Katsuyu and Tsunade together.
