Danzo vs Mei and tsunade

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The mist is going to be all around Baku though, if he can suck it all in without it contacting him than Danzo wins.

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The mist spreads a lot faster lol Danzo would probably already be encompassed (especially if he's summoning Baku to just clean up the mist)
 

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The mist spreads a lot faster lol Danzo would probably already be encompassed (especially if he's summoning Baku to just clean up the mist)

Based on what? The room her, and Sasuke were in was a tight, closed off space, naturally the mist would envelope the area at a quicker pace. Is there a war arc feat I'm missing of the mist?

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Thanks to Koto Danzo can use it on one of them to gain the upperhand and win, without it Tsunade alone has a good shot at beating him on her own so with Mei the scales should tip in their favor
 

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Yeah I was thinking that as well lol but is it really a portal or is it just hyperbole? How did the Katon defeat him then lol as didn't he still inhale the Katon?

tha katon was enhanced by baku's suction
 

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Based on what? The room her, and Sasuke were in was a tight, closed off space, naturally the mist would envelope the area at a quicker pace. Is there a war arc feat I'm missing of the mist?

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The battlefield she used it on during the war.....
 

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Show me. Didn't see that chapter, or skimmed over it.

Ughhhhhhhhh I don't remember the number and I'm studying lol I'll try and find it later.
 

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let's be real, the scale changes nothing. Baku's suction ripped trees out the floor.
 

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W/o KA Tsunade would beat Danzo.

No reason to believe his taijutsu is superior to hers. After all she and Mei were able to pressure Madara into using a clone feint. Something Ay & Mei together couldn't do. Furthermore, it's implied that her taijutsu is stronger than Ay's by the Ay taking a supplementary role when she began attacking. So his self cursing seal would be unlikely to be utilized.

Her speed feats in the War Arc allow her to touch him. For instance, moving faster than Mei's cast speed. Thus he is vulnerable to BPD.

Katsuyu squashes Baku and overwhelms Danzo who has no counter to Katsuyu whatsoever.

Also if one can hear someone's heartbeat from meters away, enough to know its irregular then those fuutons will certainly be heard.

If you argue that Danzo beats Tsunade then you argue that within 12 minutes without KA he's going to overcome Tsunade's healing summon, and taijutsu prowess. And his arsenal isn't actually impressive enough to say that. Especially given on top of her healing feats she has durability feats as well.
 

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W/o KA Tsunade would beat Danzo.
no ka doesnt mean no sharingan 3t genjutsu or sharingan precog, which he didnt have access to during his fight with sasuke.

No reason to believe his taijutsu is superior to hers. After all she and Mei were able to pressure Madara into using a clone feint. Something Ay & Mei together couldn't do. Furthermore, it's implied that her taijutsu is stronger than Ay's by the Ay taking a supplementary role when she began attacking. So his self cursing seal would be unlikely to be utilized.
he puts the seal on her the same way he put the seal on sasuke. He doesn't have to win he merely has to trade. Izanagi respawns him she's sealed, he uses wind blade and chops her head off. If she attempts to break out he uses 3t genjutsu on her and goes back to cleanin off her headtop.

Her speed feats in the War Arc allow her to touch him. For instance, moving faster than Mei's cast speed. Thus he is vulnerable to BPD.
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Katsuyu squashes Baku and overwhelms Danzo who has no counter to Katsuyu whatsoever.
danzo cuts katusuyu up with baku enhanced fuuton and the remaining smaller parts get inhaled by baku.
Also if one can hear someone's heartbeat from meters away, enough to know its irregular then those fuutons will certainly be heard.
dont really see how that helps. Sasuke had precog and karin giving him the play by play and he still couldn't get out the way in time.

If you argue that Danzo beats Tsunade then you argue that within 12 minutes without KA he's going to overcome Tsunade's healing summon, and taijutsu prowess. And his arsenal isn't actually impressive enough to say that. Especially given on top of her healing feats she has durability feats as well.
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restrict KA

Otherwise Danzo takes this extremely easy.


Even with KA restricted Danzo takes this med difficulty.

Izanagi is just too much for them as they seriously lack the destructive power that MS sasuke had in reference to speed, precision and power.
 

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-I am assuming Koto is restricted to make this fair.
-Also assuming that intel is manga meaning Tsunade and Mei know nothing about izanagi.

Therefore Danzo easily kills them both, by (when they've let their guard down thinking they've won.) Once one of them is dead, he solo's the remaining kunoichi with ease.

Now, with full intel this gets more interesting. Mei cannot use acid mist around Tsunade without handicapping her teammate (will cause Tsunade constant pain regardless of Byakogou, and will melt her lungs should she inhale it.) Therefore she will likely resort to using regular hidden mist to counter the sharingan. This is no problem as Danzo can just summon Baku to inhale it. Tsunade will be forced to summon Katsuyu to counter Baku, during which Danzo can take advantage of this window of opportunity to use a cutting wind attack and slice her in half. Mei can try to cover Tsunade by spewing lava or water at Danzo as he attacks, but it will just fly back in her face because of Baku's suction. Once Tsunade is out of the picture, Danzo takes out Mei by forcing eye contact and putting her in a genjutsu then killing her with his wind enhanced kunai.

Danzo mid diff.
 

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no ka doesnt mean no sharingan 3t genjutsu or sharingan precog, which he didnt have access to during his fight with sasuke.
Irrelevant. Madara is tiers above anything Danzo has in CQC with his stolen eye. She got up close in personal while Mei provided cover. That combo pushing Madara is enough to put Tsunade comfortably above Danzo in CQC. Even with the added precog given him by his sharingan. Stop fapping the sharingan at the expense of the particular shinobi we're talking about. Precog is helpful. But Danzo was constantly getting killed. Why our you making him out to keep up with a kage who specializes in CQC. He's not a match there.
he puts the seal on her the same way he put the seal on sasuke. He doesn't have to win he merely has to trade. Izanagi respawns him she's sealed, he uses wind blade and chops her head off. If she attempts to break out he uses 3t genjutsu on her and goes back to cleanin off her headtop.
War Arc Tsunade > Hebi Sasuke in CQC. Danzo only got the opportunity to touch Sasuke twice. And once on entirely on purpose.

Madara at point blank blocked Ay at his max speed while evading Mei's jutsu. That same Madara was forced to use a substitution by a slower Tsunade attacking with Mei. The obvious conclusion Tsunade> Ay in taijutsu. Ay> Hebi Sasuke in taijutsu. Tsunade >> Hebi Sasuke in taijutsu. If you disagree then we could limit Hebi Sasuke to taijutsu and replace Tsunade with him in the Gokage fight and he'd get brutalized. So, no reason to accept that because it happened to Hebi Sasuke, it will happen to Tsunade.

Also how is he going to respawn from BPD it doesn't kill you. It incapcitates you. And Danzo's Izanagi has no feats respawning from incapacitation. If you argue that it turns disadvantages into illusions I'd only put out that it didn't turn any of Sasuke's advantages to illusions. It only respawned he after death.
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danzo cuts katusuyu up with baku enhanced fuuton and the remaining smaller parts get inhaled by baku.
:lol food cart destroyer killed Baku in the first place.
dont really see how that helps. Sasuke had precog and karin giving him the play by play and he still couldn't get out the way in time.
Tsunade is literally faster than kage level handseals. The fact that she could she could hear his handseals. That she could hear his heartbeat when he respawns matters. To say that it doesn't is ridiculous. It's pretty hard to get off a sneak attack when your opponent can hear where your coming from.

Given the degree to which Tsunade boosted Oonoki's jinton, a chakra release of the magnitude needed to over power that juinjutsu should be within her grasp near instantly. Even if she did get caught. Which she won't because she's both faster than anything he displayed and is also better in taijutsu. The only mildly impressive taijutsu feat Danzo performed was the one time he touched Sasuke before getting sliced.

Vaccuum Bullet uses two hand seals (which Danzo performs slowly) It won't hit Tsunade when she could react to Dragon Flame Caterwaul which uses 1. Unless it's a complete sneak attack. And even then she'll hear him. But this is the problem illustrated by all of his fuutons. They don't seem faster than Madara's katons and he won't be able to completely surprise her with any technique.

Nor am I convinced that his unenhanced fuutons will do anything meaningful when she survived a jutsu that tears you to shreds with minor injuries. When she tanked the Sword Of Kusanagi without being sliced in half like Danzo was by an ordinary sword. When she tanked 3 Yasaka Magatama at point blank range.
 

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Lol whatdanzo's unenhanced fuuton tore the eefence V3 susanoo
 

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Lol whatdanzo's unenhanced fuuton tore the eefence V3 susanoo
no it didn't. He used an enhanced Fuuton on V3 susanoo. What do you mean? Baku was clearly the only way he got through Susanoo. You over estimate Danzo for some reason. Clearly not what's in black and white though.
 

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Irrelevant. Madara is tiers above anything Danzo has in CQC with his stolen eye. She got up close in personal while Mei provided cover. That combo pushing Madara is enough to put Tsunade comfortably above Danzo in CQC. Even with the added precog given him by his sharingan.
mei providing cover means it was a combined effort. You can't attribute that solely to tsunade.

Stop fapping the sharingan at the expense of the particular shinobi we're talking about. Precog is helpful. But Danzo was constantly getting killed. Why our you making him out to keep up with a kage who specializes in CQC. He's not a match there.
War Arc Tsunade > Hebi Sasuke in CQC. Danzo only got the opportunity to touch Sasuke twice. And once on entirely on purpose.
Danzo was constantly getting killed because:
A) death doesn't matter when using izanagi
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B) He didn't have 3 tomoe sharingan. In Fact he was fighting sasuke the entire time with 1 eye so depth of field was out of the question as well.

You know the gulf of strength difference between 3t kakashi and no sharingan kakashi. Same applies here.


Madara at point blank blocked Ay at his max speed while evading Mei's jutsu. That same Madara was forced to use a substitution by a slower Tsunade attacking with Mei. The obvious conclusion Tsunade> Ay in taijutsu. Ay> Hebi Sasuke in taijutsu. Tsunade >> Hebi Sasuke in taijutsu. If you disagree then we could limit Hebi Sasuke to taijutsu and replace Tsunade with him in the Gokage fight and he'd get brutalized. So, no reason to accept that because it happened to Hebi Sasuke, it will happen to Tsunade.
It wasn't substitution, it was a wood clone, meaning she landed a hit on a clone that's nowhere near as strong as the real deal.

And even then madara words trump yours he only set the clone up because it was 5v1, not 2v1, or 1v1 like youre tryna make it out to be:
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Madara already made clear where she sits when it comes to taijutsu. Shes slower than ay but stronger, which is irrelevant here.Since izanagi shrugs off her punches. So that leaves her at slower than ay. Not no >>>>> bs you like typing.

Also how is he going to respawn from BPD it doesn't kill you. It incapcitates you. And Danzo's Izanagi has no feats respawning from incapacitation. If you argue that it turns disadvantages into illusions I'd only put out that it didn't turn any of Sasuke's advantages to illusions. It only respawned he after death.
Its the genjutsu cast on oneself. Not others. He cant take away sasuke's advantages because their sasukes. It has nothing to do with his body. So yes he'll still respawn from bpd.

:lol food cart destroyer killed Baku in the first place.
Since when? show me a scan.
Also show me a scan of katsusyu having food cart destroyer

Tsunade is literally faster than kage level handseals. The fact that she could she could hear his handseals. That she could hear his heartbeat when he respawns matters. To say that it doesn't is ridiculous. It's pretty hard to get off a sneak attack when your opponent can hear where your coming from.
she didnt hear madara's susanoo pop out the wood.

Given the degree to which Tsunade boosted Oonoki's jinton, a chakra release of the magnitude needed to over power that juinjutsu should be within her grasp near instantly. Even if she did get caught. Which she won't because she's both faster than anything he displayed and is also better in taijutsu. The only mildly impressive taijutsu feat Danzo performed was the one time he touched Sasuke before getting sliced.
im sure i alerady covered this. He follows it up with 3t genjutsu.

Vaccuum Bullet uses two hand seals (which Danzo performs slowly) It won't hit Tsunade when she could react to Dragon Flame Caterwaul which uses 1. Unless it's a complete sneak attack. And even then she'll hear him. But this is the problem illustrated by all of his fuutons. They don't seem faster than Madara's katons and he won't be able to completely surprise her with any technique.
danzo does his seals faster than sasuke can shoot susanoo arrows. something ms kakashi can't physically dodge. so no he's getting his techs off. there gonna hit her. Same way they hit sasuke.

Nor am I convinced that his unenhanced fuutons will do anything meaningful when she survived a jutsu that tears you to shreds with minor injuries. When she tanked the Sword Of Kusanagi without being sliced in half like Danzo was by an ordinary sword. When she tanked 3 Yasaka Magatama at point blank range.
Neither of those are sharper than wind techs. So boost of no boost she's getting her head chopped off.

Please keep it more concise and short. Im not one to respond to essays continually without getting bored.
 
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