Danzo....Hero or....self absorbed greedy dictator?

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Lol i don't even like Danzo.

All shinobi have to be cruel, They Murder/torture/Lie and so on, It's their job. Why do you think shinobi's are the good guys?. It's their job to put their village above Everything and Anything.

Take itachi for example, Itachi put his Village above his Family/Friends/Happiness, It's what any true shinobi would do, Same for kisame, Kisame had to kill his Team mates to make sure his village was safe.

The life of a shinobi isn't all Sunshine and rainbows, Every shinobi had to do horrible things to keep their village safe.

No one got depressed when itachi died, it doesn't make him any less of a hero.

Both Danzo and itachi protected the leaf from within the shadows, He Didn't want Praised for doing what every shinobi should do.

This is so true. Shinobi are very ruthless, but there end goal is to protect there villiage and country. Now Danzo did a lot of amoral things but so did many other Shinobi and he died trying to stop Sasuke and Obito.

He was easily one of the most complex characters in the series. (*****)
 

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He was a power hungry dictator. Disgrace to what the leaf stands for. Disgrace to the Will of Fire. Disgrace to leaf Shinobis.


People tend to justify his uchiha massacre..... but in the end it is unjustifiable. "Killing some, to protect more".. is belief of collectivism i believe. Or something like that. But that is not a excuse.. HE HIMSELF stated whether there was a war or not.. once the uchiha star the coup.... they will be killed.. key words : "Whether there is war or not". Why didn't he wait till Sarutobi talked to them? why?. Because he wanted the Hokage position.

LETTING Danzo have that much power in the konoha government is what led to Konoha's failures and disgrace to the original founders who formed it for peace. And that was one of Sarutobi's failures. In his second reign as Hokage.. he was to passive.

Also, this so called "war" that everyone claims the Uchiha were gonna start... was actually even brought to the subject by kids and the old power hungry geezers.. who still haven't given up power X_X. But luckily there was a wise geezer there and luckily he was the Hokage.. so the war didn't occur. Because he sought to talk to his brethren and discuss their problems.. instead of declaring them traitors and declaring war on them.

Also, shall i remind what Danzo was doing when the leaf was attacked by pain? Oh yea DRINKING TEA. X_X



The concepts of "good" and "evil" don't apply to Danzo. He is both, and yet, he is neither. The best way to describe his is as an antihero.

Planning to kill innocents counts as evil.
 

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Danzo's last words were the ones I wrote in my thread, where his infatuation with Hiruzen is shown..

My opinion might be lame to you, but it's the truth!

Yeah the manga is wrong and your right.
 

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Danzo: For the world of ninja's, for konoha, I cannot let you live.

These are not the words of a selfish man.

He was already dead! He wouldn't have lived 5 more minutes! Lol! It's not like he sacrificed anything, Sasuke killed him, he took Karin hostage, Sasuke killed him again, his sealing jutsu activated cuz he was dying, those were just words to feel self righteous! He was the most selfish person in the entire manga! His last words the ones spoken in his thoughts, his true nature....

"what was I to you Hiruzen?" sorry if I burst the bubble of your own perception, this is the truth...
 

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He was already dead! He wouldn't have lived 5 more minutes! Lol! It's not like he sacrificed anything, Sasuke killed him, he took Karin hostage, Sasuke killed him again, his sealing jutsu activated cuz he was dying, those were just words to feel self righteous! He was the most selfish person in the entire manga! His last words the ones spoken in his thoughts, his true nature....

"what was I to you Hiruzen?" sorry if I burst the bubble of your own perception, this is the truth...

Damn good thread.
 

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Indeeeeeeeeed. OP is merely an idiot.

Those words of his are nothing more than one final attempt at self glorification. It's not like Danzo tried to kill them, he WAS running away from the Summit and from Sasuke before Obito cornered him on the bridge.

OP is actually correct, the true nature and intentions of a man are revealed in his thoughts. These are Danzo's true last words:
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Danzo's death did nothing more than fuel Sasuke's hatred, that's all he ever amounted to.



Danzo was the embodiment of shit.
 

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is methods may not be liked, but when shit hits the fan he acts, he does what he thinks it best for the village.

Btw the Uchiha massacre couldn't of been avoided. Danzo did what he had to do, His actions saved the leaf from a civil war
a war he started due to unjustly blaming uchihas for something they didnt do. and he does what he thinks is the most cruel evil thing to do like abandoning an entire village of helpless civilians to genocide by pains hands
He did neither, and he died like a loser after dying 10 times over by Sasukes hand,
he died once actually. no one used rinne tensei in that fight

hese people are cold blooded murderers , thieves, liars , torturers etc etc...
When I say it's a matter of perspective , it actually is...Most of what danzo did was his way of helping Konoha.. In some cases he had to do the necessary evil to help protect konoha....and his actions DID save the lives of many..
danzo was a violent murderous dictator who brainwashed children to be emotionless slaves, tried to overthrow konoha by working with orochimaru and and didnt the least bit care about anyone but himself. his actions plunged the village into war several times
A destroyed village with no bijuu is an easy target, plus the akatsuki would of been one step closer to their plan. The reason he did nothing was so if things went bad he could protect/controll Naruto/Nine tails to protect them from falling into the wrong hands.
except he explicitly said he did nothing so he could be hokage and rule the ashes.


And yes, he had a rivalry with Hiruzen. That doesn't change the fact that he did everything for his village.

Danzo's means was what we we saw in the manga. His ends was Konoha's safety.
so in your mind its ok to brainwash people and abandon a village to mass genocide if the end result is the village is somehow safe? its ok to plot to kill hiruzen and overthrow konoha because youve deluded yourself into thinking its justifiable?

You talk as though Danzo was a demon among saints. You know what ninjas do? Murder. You just look at his means, not the ends. Danzo did some dark things, but why did he do it? Not to be selfish, not for his gain, but for Konoha.
everything was for his own selfish gain and lust for power. stealing sharingans? selfish. wanting to be hokage at the cost of thousands of innocent lives? selfish. brainwashing kids? selfish and horrifically immoral.
jsut because some ninjas murder for the village doesnt mean they do it on a massive scale and for their own selfish needs


The reason Danzo let Pein destroy Konoha was because he wanted people to see how Hiruzen's ways were badfir the billage. He was basically saying "These are the results of your faulty choices." The thing about Danzo is, he truly believed his predecessor's ideals would just endanger the village. He wanted to be Hokage so he could replace it with his ideals, which he believed would truly protect Konoha.
how can he protect whats already been destroyed?

How someone dies proves their worth, Danzo died trying to protect his village, That showed his worth.
how someone acts in life determines worth. danzo committed mass genocide, brainwashed children and abandoned an entire village to slaughter
danzo is hero in the code of a shinobi, he did all to protect the village even if it means causing hell to others,
so in your mind slaughtering innocent people and letting the village be wiped off the map is protecting it?
ll shinobi have to be cruel, They Murder/torture/Lie and so on, It's their job. Why do you think shinobi's are the good guys?. It's their job to put their village above Everything and Anything.
actually its their job to follow the orders of their superiors. its the hokage's job to mediate the world and keep their village from entering in wars with others.
and who said the shinobis are the good guys? only naruto and sakura cna be called good guys because they DONT murder/torture/lie. because they do want reforms to this crap ass world. danzo and itachi conformed to it and became the system.
also even if all shinobis kill, they dont brainwash, they dont abandon innocent civilians, they dont plot to overthrow their superiors
ake itachi for example, Itachi put his Village above his Family/Friends/Happiness, It's what any true shinobi would do
true shinobi has any definition you want. naruto defined it as someone who endures. itachi didnt endure the butchery of his family and wanted to die for his crimes

The life of a shinobi isn't all Sunshine and rainbows, Every shinobi had to do horrible things to keep their village safe.
no they didnt. when did hashirama do something horrible or a warcrime? when did naruto? when did hinata?

No one got depressed when itachi died, it doesn't make him any less of a hero.
correct. itachis horrible acts of brutal evil make him less of a hero

Both Danzo and itachi protected the leaf from within the shadows, He Didn't want Praised for doing what every shinobi should do.
danzo and itachi made sure the leaf was wiped off the map by abandoning it in its times of need and making sure akatsuki got their hands on nukes. itachi tried to kill his own people and tortured them
Shinobi are very ruthless, but there end goal is to protect there villiage and country. Now Danzo did a lot of amoral things but so did many other Shinobi and he died trying to stop Sasuke and Obito.
wrong. most konoha shinobi are honorable warriors who wouldnt stoop low unless they had no choice. danzo was a corrupt evil sick dictator who valued power above all else and let an entire village be destroyed for his own selfish ends. danzos end goal was a destructive world war ending with him as absolute dictator. he was a violent murderer and brainwasher, as evil as hitler who also delusionally believed he was protecting germany

Danzo: For the world of ninja's, for konoha, I cannot let you live.

These are not the words of a selfish man.
they are the words of a delusional power hungry depraved murderer actually\
 
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a war he started due to unjustly blaming uchihas for something they didnt do. and he does what he thinks is the most cruel evil thing to do like abandoning an entire village of helpless civilians to genocide by pains hands

he died once actually. no one used rinne tensei in that fight


danzo was a violent murderous dictator who brainwashed children to be emotionless slaves, tried to overthrow konoha by working with orochimaru and and didnt the least bit care about anyone but himself. his actions plunged the village into war several times

except he explicitly said he did nothing so he could be hokage and rule the ashes.



so in your mind its ok to brainwash people and abandon a village to mass genocide if the end result is the village is somehow safe? its ok to plot to kill hiruzen and overthrow konoha because youve deluded yourself into thinking its justifiable?


everything was for his own selfish gain and lust for power. stealing sharingans? selfish. wanting to be hokage at the cost of thousands of innocent lives? selfish. brainwashing kids? selfish and horrifically immoral.
jsut because some ninjas murder for the village doesnt mean they do it on a massive scale and for their own selfish needs



how can he protect whats already been destroyed?
You do realize you replied to a dead post right?
 
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