Danzo....Hero or....self absorbed greedy dictator?

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The following quote is the English translation from the anime.... which is 100% accurate.

Senju Tobirama: "Danzo-yo, the truth is..... you took too long to come up with your decision. You must first look within and know yourself. Otherwise.....you will just endanger the lives of your comrades.

A last word of advise from the Nidaime Hokage to Shimura Danzo, how accurate was his assessment?

Let's see...

Danzo had a lot of respect among his peers, mainly because he was part of the Hokage squad along with Hiruzen and his other teammates who went on to become the top advisors of Konoha.

Riding this wave and his best friends generosity, Danzo went on to form his own organisation within the Leaf, a covert operative unit known as Root.


What did he accomplish with this, did he do anything progressive.....or did he just end up causing more death and suffering due to his own agendas, just as Tobirama predicted?

Lets evaluate from the beginning....

The Uchiha massacre: There were several ways this could have been avoided, to name a few, Shisuis proposal to end the coup with his KA on the Uchiha leader would have shown flawless results. Instead Shisui's eye was snatched out the moment there was a possibility of peace..... with the excuse being that Danzo had trust issues with the man who was supplying him information on his own family?! >_>

Hiruzen was not done negotiating with the Uchiha, for all we know he might have dissolved the situation by meeting the Uchihas wishes, or possibly naming Itachi as the Hokage, he was a ninja who loved Konoha, and well beyond capable regarding his skill level.

But instead Danzo pushed Itachi in the dead of night and forced him to murder his brethren. Taking advantage of Itachi's loyalty to Konoha and his love for peace, while bargaining the life of his younger brother as just another push tactic.....all the while hiding his true agenda of amassing Sharingan from their corpses.

The Akatsuki incident.......

Interfering with Amegakure's alliance with the newly formed and progressing organisation Akatsuki, just as a way to get help in becoming Hokage by providing assistance to Hanzo in killing Yahiko and his friends, he pretty much collaborated, in creating PAIN, which ultimately led to the downfall and deaths of various villages and ninja.


Orochimaru's invasion......

A former member of Root, who gave Danzo his own personal Hashirama shoulder and his stolen 10 Sharingan for his imperfect 10 shot Izanagi......invaded the leaf village long after defecting and tried to destroy his former village and kill Hiruzen. It backfired on Orochimaru, because Hiruzen was highly underestimated, even against 2 former Hokage and an old student, even at the age of 70. But surprisingly Root was absent in this entire invasion. Hmmm....I wonder why...


Pains invasion......

This one needs no explanation, Danzo refused to help as Konoha citizens were dying. His battle strategy being......"Let them die....their deaths will be a necessary sacrifice. I will become Hokage in the aftermath."

Conclusion: Danzo epitomised self sacrifice, and yet he sacrificed everyone around him, his underlings, his best friend, entire clans........ unknown children, who were trying to end their own strife and trying to bring peace in their war ravaged land.

All for what?

"Hiruzen, no matter how hard I tried, I could not catch up to you, in the end......I could not become Hokage."

"What was I to you.....Hiruzen?"

He failed to utilise his ill earned powers. As a preacher of self sacrifice, took a hostage in the end..... and died an unavoidable death, self righteously labelling it a "sacrifice".


WHAT A LOSER!!


I know I didn't mention several things like what happened to Kabuto and Mother. It's hard typing on an iPad.
 

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He tried to defend Konoha in his own way...

But I have to agree he was quite a loser... xd
 

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The concepts of "good" and "evil" don't apply to Danzo. He is both, and yet, he is neither. The best way to describe his is as an antihero.
 

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The following quote is the English translation from the anime.... which is 100% accurate.

Senju Tobirama: "Danzo-yo, the truth is..... you took too long to come up with your decision. You must first look within and know yourself. Otherwise.....you will just endanger the lives of your comrades.

A last word of advise from the Nidaime Hokage to Shimura Danzo, how accurate was his assessment?

Let's see...

Danzo had a lot of respect among his peers, mainly because he was part of the Hokage squad along with Hiruzen and his other teammates who went on to become the top advisors of Konoha.

Riding this wave and his best friends generosity, Danzo went on to form his own organisation within the Leaf, a covert operative unit known as Root.


What did he accomplish with this, did he do anything progressive.....or did he just end up causing more death and suffering due to his own agendas, just as Tobirama predicted?

Lets evaluate from the beginning....

The Uchiha massacre: There were several ways this could have been avoided, to name a few, Shisuis proposal to end the coup with his KA on the Uchiha leader would have shown flawless results. Instead Shisui's eye was snatched out the moment there was a possibility of peace..... with the excuse being that Danzo had trust issues with the man who was supplying him information on his own family?! >_>

Hiruzen was not done negotiating with the Uchiha, for all we know he might have dissolved the situation by meeting the Uchihas wishes, or possibly naming Itachi as the Hokage, he was a ninja who loved Konoha, and well beyond capable regarding his skill level.

But instead Danzo pushed Itachi in the dead of night and forced him to murder his brethren. Taking advantage of Itachi's loyalty to Konoha and his love for peace, while bargaining the life of his younger brother as just another push tactic.....all the while hiding his true agenda of amassing Sharingan from their corpses.

The Akatsuki incident.......

Interfering with Amegakure's alliance with the newly formed and progressing organisation Akatsuki, just as a way to get help in becoming Hokage by providing assistance to Hanzo in killing Yahiko and his friends, he pretty much collaborated, in creating PAIN, which ultimately led to the downfall and deaths of various villages and ninja.


Orochimaru's invasion......

A former member of Root, who gave Danzo his own personal Hashirama shoulder and his stolen 10 Sharingan for his imperfect 10 shot Izanagi......invaded the leaf village long after defecting and tried to destroy his former village and kill Hiruzen. It backfired on Orochimaru, because Hiruzen was highly underestimated, even against 2 former Hokage and an old student, even at the age of 70. But surprisingly Root was absent in this entire invasion. Hmmm....I wonder why...


Pains invasion......

This one needs no explanation, Danzo refused to help as Konoha citizens were dying. His battle strategy being......"Let them die....their deaths will be a necessary sacrifice. I will become Hokage in the aftermath." and he killed the frog D :

Conclusion: Danzo epitomised self sacrifice, and yet he sacrificed everyone around him, his underlings, his best friend, entire clans........ unknown children, who were trying to end their own strife and trying to bring peace in their war ravaged land.

All for what?

"Hiruzen, no matter how hard I tried, I could not catch up to you, in the end......I could not become Hokage."

"What was I to you.....Hiruzen?"

He failed to utilise his ill earned powers. As a preacher of self sacrifice, took a hostage in the end..... and died an unavoidable death, self righteously labelling it a "sacrifice".


WHAT A LOSER!!


I know I didn't mention several things like what happened to Kabuto and Mother. It's hard typing on an iPad.
Danzo can eat a d*ck
 
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All this on an Ipad? 0.o well back on topic.In my opinion,

Danzo is never a hero.
 

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Danzo was a strange dude. That whole tatoo on the tongue thing creeped me out. What was it he didn't want Sai to tell everyone....hmmm lol
 

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hes a hero imo
i think he just wanted to rid the world of emos which is a good thing :)
 

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He is both.

His methods may not be liked, but when shit hits the fan he acts, he does what he thinks it best for the village.

Btw the Uchiha massacre couldn't of been avoided. Danzo did what he had to do, His actions saved the leaf from a civil war
 

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Matter of perspective, Depending on how you look at it, and from what view points, he is a hero of the leaf vice versa
 

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hes a hero imo
i think he just wanted to rid the world of emos which is a good thing :)

He is both.

His methods may not be liked, but when shit hits the fan he acts, he does what he thinks it best for the village.

Btw the Uchiha massacre couldn't of been avoided. Danzo did what he had to do, His actions saved the leaf from a civil war

Matter of perspective, Depending on how you look at it, and from what view points, he is a hero of the leaf vice versa

o_O Wow!! I don't even know what to say to these guys.......except that you're completely blind!!!


And it's obvious you didn't read the thread.
 

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o_O Wow!! I don't even know what to say to these guys.......except that you're completely blind!!!


And it's obvious you didn't read the thread.
You talk as though Danzo was a demon among saints. You know what ninjas do? Murder. You just look at his means, not the ends. Danzo did some dark things, but why did he do it? Not to be selfish, not for his gain, but for Konoha. Let's say Danzo went with Shisui's KA plan on the Uchiha leader. What if when the controlled leader said "Let's stop", the Uchiha didn't listen. What would happen if they went against their leader and went on with the revolt? Then they would need to kill the Uchiha anyway to prevent the village's downfall.

Danzo just did what every ninja does, he's a hero and an awesome character.
 

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You talk as though Danzo was a demon among saints. You know what ninjas do? Murder. You just look at his means, not the ends. Danzo did some dark things, but why did he do it? Not to be selfish, not for his gain, but for Konoha. Let's say Danzo went with Shisui's KA plan on the Uchiha leader. What if when the controlled leader said "Let's stop", the Uchiha didn't listen. What would happen if they went against their leader and went on with the revolt? Then they would need to kill the Uchiha anyway to prevent the village's downfall.


Danzo just did what every ninja does, he's a hero and an awesome character.

Yeah, People seem to think being a shinobi is all rainbows and smiles.
 

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yeeep as they said^

and i said something that was imo and i am blind because of it ? :)
 

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You talk as though Danzo was a demon among saints. You know what ninjas do? Murder. You just look at his means, not the ends. Danzo did some dark things, but why did he do it? Not to be selfish, not for his gain, but for Konoha. Let's say Danzo went with Shisui's KA plan on the Uchiha leader. What if when the controlled leader said "Let's stop", the Uchiha didn't listen. What would happen if they went against their leader and went on with the revolt? Then they would need to kill the Uchiha anyway to prevent the village's downfall.

Danzo just did what every ninja does, he's a hero and an awesome character.

Yeah, People seem to think being a shinobi is all rainbows and smiles.

Danzo did everything to become Hokage! To catch up to Hiruzen, because of years and years of jealousy! You don't even understand his character.

What did he do in pains invasion? What did he do to Nagato?

He had shisuis eye, an arm full of Sharingan and Senju cells and he didn't do anything for personal gain?

If you're so well learned about his character, tell me his means and tell me the end.....
 

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Danzo did everything to become Hokage! To catch up to Hiruzen, because of years and years of jealousy! You don't even understand his character.

What did he do in pains invasion? What did he do to Nagato?

He had shisuis eye, an arm full of Sharingan and Senju cells and he didn't do anything for personal gain?

If you're so well learned about his character, tell me his means and tell me the end.....

Yes, I do understand his character.

Was he wrong for doing nothing during Pein's invssion? Perhaps.

And yes, he had a rivalry with Hiruzen. That doesn't change the fact that he did everything for his village.

Danzo's means was what we we saw in the manga. His ends was Konoha's safety.

The reason Danzo let Pein destroy Konoha was because he wanted people to see how Hiruzen's ways were badfir the billage. He was basically saying "These are the results of your faulty choices." The thing about Danzo is, he truly believed his predecessor's ideals would just endanger the village. He wanted to be Hokage so he could replace it with his ideals, which he believed would truly protect Konoha.
 
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Danzo did everything to become Hokage! To catch up to Hiruzen, because of years and years of jealousy! You don't even understand his character.

What did he do in pains invasion? What did he do to Nagato?

He had shisuis eye, an arm full of Sharingan and Senju cells and he didn't do anything for personal gain?

If you're so well learned about his character, tell me his means and tell me the end.....

He didn't want naruto to come back to the village during Pains attack because he knew if he came back Pain would of most likely of took him.
A destroyed village with no bijuu is an easy target, plus the akatsuki would of been one step closer to their plan. The reason he did nothing was so if things went bad he could protect/controll Naruto/Nine tails to protect them from falling into the wrong hands.

As far as we know he did them to become stronger to protect the village from the likes of Madara and other threats, Did danzo not spend the last moment of his life trying to kill Obito/Sasuke?, Yeah i think he did.
 

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exactly what I was about to post... These people are cold blooded murderers , thieves, liars , torturers etc etc...
When I say it's a matter of perspective , it actually is...Most of what danzo did was his way of helping Konoha.. In some cases he had to do the necessary evil to help protect konoha....and his actions DID save the lives of many..
 
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