Danzō, good or bad?

Danzō, good or bad?


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Kakashi Hatakeo

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No black and white about it he was scum who underestimated the hokage who was elected to protect the village and thought the homage was unfit and while the third was making peace danzo was preparing for war and at the same time causing it. A coward who hides in the shadows and let the village get destroyed by pain while doing nothing just so he could be elected hokage after tsuande died does that seem like a loyal guy a nice guy?
 

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No black and white about it he was scum who underestimated the hokage who was elected to protect the village and thought the homage was unfit and while the third was making peace danzo was preparing for war and at the same time causing it. A coward who hides in the shadows and let the village get destroyed by pain while doing nothing just so he could be elected hokage after tsuande died does that seem like a loyal guy a nice guy?

An argument can be made for Danzō being more good than evil, or at least just as good as evil. And I'd make it right now, too. But I'm afraid it'd suck ass because I'm so tired right now U_U
Still, I can see how you'd think that.
 

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He's a good guy
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Danzo is good.

No denying it. His goals are for, what he believes to be the greater good.
hes a violent sociopathic monster who murders anyone he likes just because they are in his way, or because he needs them to get massacred for his goal to take over in a hostile coup. what, he THINKS its a good thing to do the things he does, therefore you do too? god, he really did a good brainwashing on you.

he was good.
he was a pure evil monstrous psychopath supervillain and calling him good after everything hes done is horrifying and disturbing


He was willing to make sacrifices for the sake of the village
you mean for himself. danzo let the village be completely destroyed and massacred so he could rule the few survivors and kill tsunade in a hostile coup. exactly what he killed the uchihas to stop!
but no, because hes a coward he cant kill himself to protect konoha from him.
i also dont see how killing off your own men protects the village. i dont seee how plotting coups on hiruzen and tsunade protects the village. i dont see how brainwashing kids to be answerable only to him protects the village.

he didn't let morals and ethics blind him
so being a good and noble person blinds you now? my my, you must think hitler is jesus

these actions weren't always popular but did produce results.
what results? konoha being annhilated?

In his eyes he's the hero Konoha requires to stay afloat and everything he does is for the purpose of protecting the country and village he loves.
false. everything he did endangered konoha and made things much worse. just because he says its to protect something doesnt mean its good or right. its typical propoganda.

Kishi never said if he's straight good or evil, like Orochimaru and Hiruzen. "A greedy dictator? Or rather, the noble personification of shinobi? The roots are deep, truly deep..."
its obvious to anyone with a moral compass hes the former
 

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hes a violent sociopathic monster who murders anyone he likes just because they are in his way, or because he needs them to get massacred for his goal to take over in a hostile coup. what, he THINKS its a good thing to do the things he does, therefore you do too? god, he really did a good brainwashing on you.

he was a pure evil monstrous psychopath supervillain and calling him good after everything hes done is horrifying and disturbing
All he ever did was try to ensure the survival of the village. What did he do he killed the uchiha who were trying to start a civil war. he killed those who were a possible threat to the village. Who did actually murder you talking like he committed genocide, he killed enemies of the village he did what hashirama and hiruzen weren't strong enough to do to protect the village during war everything he did every other village would have done.

you mean for himself. danzo let the village be completely destroyed and massacred so he could rule the few survivors and kill tsunade in a hostile coup. exactly what he killed the uchihas to stop!
but no, because hes a coward he cant kill himself to protect konoha from him.
i also dont see how killing off your own men protects the village. i dont seee how plotting coups on hiruzen and tsunade protects the village. i dont see how brainwashing kids to be answerable only to him protects the village.

so being a good and noble person blinds you now? my my, you must think hitler is jesus

what results? konoha being annhilated?
Uchiha were traitors they earned there fate they were going to take over konoha in a civil war. Danzo held back troops from a fight impossible to win so once the battle was over the village could still be defended he was trying to stop pointless deaths, he tried to stop naruto coming back because there was a 99% chance naruto would lose and be captured what he did was exactly what the alliance tried to do to keep him from the battlefield. he didn't say he was going to kill tsunade he knew she would die because she was a reckless idiot. he was never planning a coup, theres no proof he was planning a literal coup he was planning how to defend the village after pein attacked he wasn't going to send his troops to kill her.

Brainwashing kids, thats all the village does they tell their kids to become ninjas chuck them in ninja academy and then chuck them onto a battlefield telling them to accomplish there objective no matter the cost some of these kids not even as old as 10 thats what I call brainwashing and you complain about danzo.

Your a complete dipshit to compare hitler to him. Hitler responsible for the deaths of millions committed genocide against jews,poles and gypseys simply because they were undesirable and political scapegoats. Danzo killed people who were planning to or were attacking konoha yeah lots of resemblance their you moron

false. everything he did endangered konoha and made things much worse. just because he says its to protect something doesnt mean its good or right. its typical propoganda.

its obvious to anyone with a moral compass hes the former

Danzo is the anti hero he who doesn't possess normal heroic characteristics. but he still is good from the perspective of konoha.
 

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All he ever did was try to ensure the survival of the village.
by burning it down. hes insane, brutal, sociopathic and monstrous. he wouldnt care about anyone but himself if it werent for hiruzen.
he abandoned konoha in its greatest moment of need. he brainwashed kids into murdering each other. yuou dont find that the least bit evil?also how was he ensuring its survival if what he mostly did was try to kill off anyone in the village he deemed unworthy or weak. he plotted to destroy konoha wiht orochimaru and even let oro experiment on him so he could control kyuubi. all he cared about was power.


Uchiha were traitors they earned there fate they were going to take over konoha in a civil war.
what war? a coup isnt a war. aburames could potentially solo face to face. their only hope was surprise. they werent some bloodthirsty maniacs who'd fight to the death and not listen to reason. they were revolutionaries convinced konoha was the evil ones. pressure them enough, kill enough of them and the rest will surrender. or better yet, dont be such dicks as to push uchihas into such a bad situation in the first fukin place. dont betray THEM and maybe knoha wont have to wonder why the dog they beat around is biting back.
as ive told so many before, just threaten them with a show of force, show them theyve lost surprise and one by one they will defect just like in the past. danzo chose the most insane and brutal option possible. only the very worst dictators decide "oh they are traitors therefore i should execute them, their kids, and their dog mwhahahaha"

What did he do he killed the uchiha who were trying to start a civil war. he killed those who were a possible threat to the village
so now its just possible threat? like i said before, since when is GENOCIDE the best solution to a coup? arrest the ringleaders or better yet show force and demand surrender. if they insist on fighting, then you can kill those who resist.
but ONLY then.
but hey, danzo doesnt care about that. of course murdering ****ing everyone is the best thing to do to preserve as much life as possible.

Who did actually murder you talking like he committed genocide, he killed enemies of the village
so them being enemies makes it acceptable and heroic to butcher them in their sleep, giving them no chance to fight back or even surrender? the uchihas werent crazed barbarians. they were brothers in arms who were upset with how they were being treated, and decided on revolution to try and change that.
had danzo understood that he could simply imprison the leaders and be done with it.

village he did what hashirama and hiruzen weren't strong enough to do to protect the village during war everything he did every other village would have done.
um they were strng enough. they just didnt think itd be ethical to butcher children and housewives along with the "supposedly pure evil barbarian" ringleaders.

Danzo held back troops from a fight impossible to win
how was it impossible to win if two uchihas alone won? and it wouldnt need to be a fight if they just got everyone battle ready and surrounded the compound to let uchihas know it was over.
you keep trying to make itseem like genocide's ok and heroic. it isnt.


Brainwashing kids, thats all the village does they tell their kids to become ninjas chuck them in ninja academy and then chuck them onto a battlefield telling them to accomplish there objective no matter the cost some of these kids not even as old as 10 thats what I call brainwashing and you complain about danzo.
danzo forces children to become emotionless robots via murdering their own comrades in brutal "tests of graduation".


he tried to stop naruto coming back because there was a 99% chance naruto would lose and be captured what he did was exactly what the alliance tried to do to keep him from the battlefiel
do you think he love naruto as a person? do you think he loved ANYONE? he was pragmatic, cruel and cold.he did what he did because HE wants to control and manipulate naruto, not pain

once the battle was over the village could still be defended he was trying to stop pointless deaths,
dont talk to me about danzo and pointless deaths. how about the fact he let konoha be destroyed so he could rule it. him killing the uchihas was all about him, and his power. he wanted sharingans, and he wanted no pretender to his throne once him and orochimaru took power in their invasion 7 years later. dont try and paint him as some tragic hero ordering genocide like it was the most painful thing ever. BULLSHIT. he didnt fukin care about killing kids, he did it because it served his agenda

he didn't say he was going to kill tsunade he knew she would die because she was a reckless idiot.
and danzo isnt a reckless idiot for wasting 10 sharingans in a fight?

he was never planning a coup, theres no proof he was planning a literal coup
coup: the hostile military takeover of a government.
your telling me that plotting with hanzo to overthrow hiruzen wasnt gonna be hostile? that betraying tsunade by standing by and letting her, her top ninja officers and countless civilians be tortured and massacred wasnt hostile?
he had an illegal anbu group loyal solely to him, he had brainwashed kids who kill each other as their graduation, he tried to hostiley take control of the ninja alliance, and spoke rhetoric about how things can only get done if you force them to.


Your a complete dipshit to compare hitler to him. Hitler responsible for the deaths of millions committed genocide against jews,poles and gypseys simply because they were undesirable and political scapegoats
he killed threats to "father germany" or at least people he deemed threats. he killed dissenters. just like danzo. he brainwashed kids to be loyal only to him and to believe all his bullshit speeches. he committed murders against several groups including his own people, rebels, and the pre-evil akatsuki.
why are you being so apologist for this sociopathic power hungry monster?

Danzo is the anti hero he who doesn't possess normal heroic characteristics. but he still is good from the perspective of konoha.
danzo is a brutal insane dictator who murdered countless people, brainwashed children in an illegal organisation loyal only to him, abandoned konoha to torture death and destruction just so he could take power over the survivors, stole eyes from dead uchihas, stole shisui's eye, worked with orochimaru a known mass murdering traitor, worked with hanzo to overthrow the hokage etc
 

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Just a baby that is mad that he didn't get what he wanted.
 

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Just a baby that is mad that he didn't get what he wanted.

You really think it's that simple? He sincerely wished to protect Konoha and the Ninja world in his way, the most Ninja-like way, and when obstacles were put in his path that he tried to remove, he's a baby?
 

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Lol villains don't exist in Naruto. Can't be bad...no way.
 

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like you said he's more complicated than to be labeled as good/bad.

he might have been ruthless and used questionable methods but, he got results/the hidden leaf was stable/safe because of him so i would even go as far as to say he was a HERO of a sort (actually wanted to protect the leaf).

keeping a village safe/stable without having to take questionable methods (sometimes) is almost fictional, and Danzo was the guy that worked for the shadow's, never asked for credit and got things done.

he's the guy people would label as a villain/merciless yet they would be lost/confused and wouldn't know what to do if they were in his place/facing the same dilemmas.
 
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he might have been ruthless and used questionable methods but, he got results/the hidden leaf was stable/safe because of him so i would even go as far as to say he was a HERO of a sort (actually wanted to protect the leaf).
he abandoned konoha to be destroyed and massacred, because of a villain he partially created (in his efforts to plot a coup against hiruzen), brainwashed children to be mindless emotionless slaves answerable only to him, murdered countless people and ruthlessly desecrated dead bodies for power. all he cared about was power. he didnt accept konoha when it wasn't him running things and did everything he could to become this twisted hybrid monster in order to control kyuubi for his conquest plans.

keeping a village safe/stable without having to take questionable methods (sometimes) is almost fictional, and Danzo was the guy that worked for the shadow's, never asked for credit and got things done.
its pretty easy to see that abandoning thousands of innocent people to torture and death in order to enact a violent coup on the survivors is far more than "questionable"
 

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Danzo is the prime example of cold logic that conquers in political life. He did what he had to in order to assure for his country the best future, or at least that's what he thought and even went as far as to commit suicide to stick to his own beliefs and that speaks volumens on its own. He may have also had personnal vanity but still that doesn't change the fact that he died for what he thought as best of his country. Even Sasuke, the person that hated him the most because of being the main reason for uchiha's massascre, even him, acknowledged the fact that what Danzo did was genuinely derived from his will to protect the village at any cost.
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In conclusion, I don't think that Danzo was a bad person but rather a cold realist who has lost faith in humanity and couldn't hope of achieving peace through friendly methods such as negotiations. At the end of the day, controlling a country is not an easy task at all and ironically Sasuke, the one who killed him, was presented in such a way that he would take whatever radical measures to achieve his goal. Example: The death of the tailed beasts.
 

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He was bad, Kishi even implied it.

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the dark clouds over konoha statement pretty much proves that Danzo is a villain
 

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I think it's fair to say Danzu, Orochimaru and Madara are the closest we'll get to truely "evil" villains in Naruto
 

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according to manga he had good intentions but went about them all wrong.
 

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He was bad, Kishi even implied it.

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the dark clouds over konoha statement pretty much proves that Danzo is a villain

And then there's this

Plus, Danzō is dark. He represents the dark side of Konoha. He even has the moniker "Shinobi of Darkness". Dark doesn't mean evil every time. Not saying he's good, either.
 

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And then there's this

Plus, Danzō is dark. He represents the dark side of Konoha. He even has the moniker "Shinobi of Darkness". Dark doesn't mean evil every time. Not saying he's good, either.

true, but i feel that in the context it was used in the scan I provided, it meant bad guy/nefarious intentions. to me he just did bad things in the name of the village, but he was still bad though.
 

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And then there's this

Plus, Danzō is dark. He represents the dark side of Konoha. He even has the moniker "Shinobi of Darkness". Dark doesn't mean evil every time. Not saying he's good, either.

You know it's easy to say that he was bad but the truth is that even the 3rd Hokage had acknowledged the need of some dirty business which had to be done. He might haven't known everythig that Danzo had done till now but he certainly that he was clearing the mess in a quite way. As a matter of fact it takes a lot of courage to go against everyone and even get hated in order to save the village. Hiruzen's job was always easier because he was doing what the village wanted and that's why he was so famous and loved by everyone. If Danzo hadn't existed and if someone else was not willing to take that position, Hiruzen would have been forced to make some similar things at some points and then we would see how everyone would love the "cruel" hokage. It's easy to do what everyone wants but I would like to see how the villagers would react to Hiruzen's possible cruelty because let's accept it, political life is cruel and one way or another no one can avoid to act in such way when he bears the responsibility of a whole country.
 

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Danzo is the prime example of cold logic that conquers in political life. He did what he had to in order to assure for his country the best future, or at least that's what he thought and even went as far as to commit suicide to stick to his own beliefs and that speaks volumens on its own. He may have also had personnal vanity but still that doesn't change the fact that he died for what he thought as best of his country. Even Sasuke, the person that hated him the most because of being the main reason for uchiha's massascre, even him, acknowledged the fact that what Danzo did was genuinely derived from his will to protect the village at any cost.
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In conclusion, I don't think that Danzo was a bad person but rather a cold realist who has lost faith in humanity and couldn't hope of achieving peace through friendly methods such as negotiations. At the end of the day, controlling a country is not an easy task at all and ironically Sasuke, the one who killed him, was presented in such a way that he would take whatever radical measures to achieve his goal. Example: The death of the tailed beasts.

Danzo did say he was for the village in the end, but that doesn't excuse the horrible deeds he committed.
 
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