Dammit Hashirama

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Everyone dogs Tobirama about how he's the devil and how literally everything bad in NV is his fault.
But here's this.

Quite possibly one of the best ideas ever thought in NV, kill Madara. No Tobi, no evil Akatsuki due to Tobi, no Infinite Tsukuyomi, and no Kaguya.
And Hashirama says "no".
 

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I agree Lol Hashirama is a retard.
 

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I am sure if Hashi knew he would have done it. No one can predict to future and plot.
 

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Hashiramas became corrupted by power and killed his best friend over goals.
 

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As long as there exists black zetsu, some reincarnation would get the rinnegan, it was only a matter of time
 

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Yes, so that there would be another Madara over time and so that the Uchiha would hold an eternal grudge against the Senju. A great alternative idea would be to kill all the Uchiha though.
 

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Hashirama X Madara > Tobiramas Logic
 

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Hashirama said he is the shinobi who created this situation though
 

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Yes, so that there would be another Madara over time and so that the Uchiha would hold an eternal grudge against the Senju. A great alternative idea would be to kill all the Uchiha though.

That is a great idea. Not only would eliminate any future psycho terrorists, but more importantly, it'd ruin Black Zetsu's plan.
 

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Yup, Tobirama had a chance to fix the world and Hashirama just had to ruin things.
 

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Isn't Tobi the one that caused all the bad problems and led to the Uchiha massacre .... Even if they killed Madara the dude probably had Izanagi set to activate after his death anyway..
 

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Konoha won't be created without Madara and Uchiha.
 

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Everyone dogs Tobirama about how he's the devil and how literally everything bad in NV is his fault.
But here's this.

Quite possibly one of the best ideas ever thought in NV, kill Madara. No Tobi, no evil Akatsuki due to Tobi, no Infinite Tsukuyomi, and no Kaguya.
And Hashirama says "no".

Wait, who says everything bad is Tobirama's fault? It's more Black Zetsu's fault and hatred that builds in the ninja's systems. Tobirama made the Uchiha's constantly kept fighting when Hashirama tried to make peace with them? No, Madara and Izuna were highly against it, when Madara looked like he was going to give in, Izuna told him not too. Tobirama made Madara not become Hokage? No, Tobirama only told Hashirama that he can't make Madara Hokage without asking what the people and the council want, it's the people and council who voted Hashirama as Hokage.

Tobirama sent Madara into a deep hatred against the village and Hashirama? No, Madara was made that the villagers voted for Hashirama over him and after reading the Tablet (which Black Zetsu changed), Madara decided to make his plan that created most of the issues now. Did Tobirama split the Uchihas from the village for the safety of the other villagers? Yes, he told Sasuke that most of the Uchihas would lose what or who they love, which turned into a stronger hatred, and would run wild; this made Tobirama fear another Madara would rise so he sectioned them off to limit the potential danger. He didn't kill them but gave them a role which can help the village, we see Uchihas become team members so they had freedom like other villagers, all they had to do is show that they could control themselves. Tobirama sacrificed his life for his team which had an Uchiha in it, if he hated them then why didn't he volunteer Shisui's dad and make a BS excuse like the Sharingan would allow him to buy enough time.

Danzo actually did much more damage. He was Orochimaru's benefactor, made the village view Obito's attack on the village as the Uchiha's fault and had Hiruzen not have them help during the attack. Danzo took Shisui's eye when he wanted to use KA on ITachi's dad to try and stop the Coup, then Danzo ordered the kill order on the Uchihas to Itachi. Danzo made Kabuto and his mother like figure fight each other to the death which influenced Kabuto to join Orochimaru. Danzo and his root dressed as rock ninjas and attacked Rain villages and prevented Nagato/Yahiko/Konan from going to the rock country to talk to Oonoki (was in a filler but adds to canon material) and Danzo made Hanzo believe Nagato/Yahiko/Konan group were a threat which resulted in Yahiko's death and the creation of another bad guy. Danzo didn't allow the Root members to do anything to help when Pein attacked the Leaf.

Danzo created/helped give the world Orochimaru, Kabuto (who aided in the war, Nagato, Uchiha massacre (which created evil Sasuke who killed him).
 

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Tobirama was actually the real prick. His suspicion and distrust of Uchiha was what turn Madara into what he was.

Tobirama and also Danzo were a$$h*les.
 
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I'd have to disagree. Madara's not one of my favourite characters but god damn if he's not entertaining! Everytime this guy has anime time he sends chills down my spine. Even his Manga appearances are fantastic(not counting his rushed Juubi Jin period).
 

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Senju bros being bros.

One another has to make a dumb decision while the other doesn't.
 
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