Curse seal sasuke V.S Kakuzu

[BenjerminGaye]

iv owned Zexion numerous times on this topic subject Sasuke wins 8/10 im being generous with that number aswell



Leave the disciple out of this and challenge the master

Welp... that happened.

 

[Zexion~]

iv owned Zexion numerous times on this topic subject Sasuke wins 8/10 im being generous with that number aswell



Leave the disciple out of this and challenge the master

Lol no

Only people who have actually pushed me to my limit in this matchup is Shelke and Evani U_U

 

[Icelerate]

Lol no

Only people who have actually pushed me to my limit in this matchup is Shelke and Evani U_U

KidGamer says hi.

 

[New Dawn]

Kidloser sucks at arguing. The points he brings up sucks.

 

[Zexion~]

KidGamer says hi.

He's never really debated this subject with me fully.... Before Evani dusted my rusty ass he believed Kakuzu won Lol

 

[Mugen Onsa]

Kakuzu doesn't posses a susano'o 1/1,808,909,776,565th of Hebi Sasuke's lightning armor domu. Sasuke neg-diff.

 

[Icelerate]

What my man? C2's have no where near as much AoE as Kakuzu's fuuton. Please take a moment to look at this scan

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see how far back those tree's are? Look at the scan of Kakuzu's fuuton again and we can clearly see it touching the tree's. There may be some confusion on which way the jutsu was actually used but I think

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scan clears that up. Meanwhile look at Deidara's barely going more than 10 meters. Lets not forget that Deidara was what, around 7 meters up into the sky?

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and C2 barely passed him height wise Lol

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Meanwhile Kakuzu's was higher than Gargantuan trees

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. Lastly there is the fact that Sasuke literally dodged it with no injury by flying upwards a few meters

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The trees being far back just speaks volume of the height of Atsugai but I'm talking about it's width in relation to the radius of Deidara's C2 explosion. Deidara's C2 dragon

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compared to a human. Yet that C2 dragon is a

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. Regardless, I'll accept that the radius of C2 explosion is comparable to Atsuugai's half width. I say half width because Sasuke will be in the middle of the rectangle where the attack's front is and only needs to move half a length to the side to escape it.

DC? He tanked a C2 explosion because all the force was blocked by that one wing, its a linear projectile of force. Kakuzu's would encompass Sasuke completely and crush him with its extreme pressure. No matter how many wings Sasuke uses to cover. Lets not go comparing different forces here please.

Explosions aren't linear, they do damage all over the body due to having a 360 degree AoE. Kakuzu's wind will only crush him with its extreme pressure if it is strong enough to do so. It'll probably do minor damage which can be healed. Do remember that Sasuke absorbed Oro and now holds the power of the white snake. Not to mention wings tend to be resistant to air pressure hence why birds adapt to the harsh conditions in the air because their wings simply let the air pressure glide away aerodynamically. For similar reasons, airplanes can fly through air at a high speed because the air simply goes around the plane instead of hitting it head on.

Woah there...Senior moment my man? That was clearly his normal Katon....anyways yes the Katon is his slowest technique but its perfect for halting any assault Sasuke tries to mount. It not only causes opponents to loose their footing (You've seen the DB page how many times now? Lol) but also explodes halting any movement from the air as well

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. It was used from a considerable distance yet the force still hit the Ino-Shika-Chou group Lol.

Sasuke will lose his footing only if he gets hit by the technique but he won't. Being able to work on Ino-Shika-Cho doesn't mean it'll work on Hebi Sasuke considering

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rather easily and

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without losing his footing or anything.

Eh, Kakashi was already in the air hence why he could just plop down, not to mention he could see it coming with 3T but Sasuke can as well so yes he can avoid it, but if used at closer range it can easily be used to lure Sasuke into an ambush attack by a different element.

If Kakashi was already in the air, that just makes the feat more impressive as it is nearly impossible to shunshin while in midair without a solid foothold. You don't need a sharingan to see a bolt of blue electricity but Sasuke has it so it doesn't matter. You say Kakuzu will use it at a closer range but doing so will make him susceptible to a blitz attempt (

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). Deidara barely evaded that and realized that he has to fly in order to prevent himself getting taken out. Deidara is faster than Kakuzu based on the databook and the fact that Deidara outmanoeuvred team Gai (

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base Naruto's clones. Kakuzu doesn't have flight so Sasuke eventually takes him out, sooner, rather than later as was the case with Deidara.

Yeah this location isn't helping Kakuzu much, but realize his attacks will knock down a considerable amount of trees my man. Also that's not even near high enough to evade both the Katon and the Fuuton which were large enough to reach the height of the massive tree's. Also Kakuzu's threads>Sasuke's snakes in terms of speed (Threads caught Kakashi off guard with ease...twice technically) yes Sasuke can merely cut them with sharp spear (although realize if he's swinging away he may not realize their approach and if they catch him by the wrist its basically good game at that point, as he can't use chidori) but even if he slices them that takes even more concentration and in the air concentrating on incoming threads you cant "sidestep" a double bolted gian.

Like I said, Sasuke can use the tree tops to gain higher elevation. Although Sasuke's jumping ability isn't even my main strategy so I'll let it slide as I know the forest can get destroyed especially when the trees in this location won't be as large or thick as the one where Kakuzu fought Kakashi.

Sasuke utilising snake arms to grapple trees allowed him to escape this

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yet you think Kakuzu's ninjutsu is going to catch him? Sasuke's shadow snake arms are faster than Kakuzu's threads considering that Kakuzu

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against base Naruto who was charging at him with FRS but Sasuke could block a clone feint (

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) from Itachi. They were also fast enough to block surprise explosions even when Sasuke wasn't in a battle (

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). If one of Sasuke's hands get stuck, the other hand can still be used to slice the threads off the hand that got stuck.

Kakuzu can move my man once he see's Sasuke's ability with the raiton element he won't let him come near him at all.

Weak argument as Sasuke has to merely move his arm if Kakuzu tries sidestepping chidori sharp spear. I already explained to you why Sasuke will indeed come near him.

Really? Because pretty sure just a bit of steam allowed Kakuzu to ambush Kakashi with ease

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unless it was merely Kakuzu's own speed which again Sasuke will have to look out for as if the threads grab those wrists its KO. Kakuzu always knows where his masks are so the debris won't hinder much as if worse comes to worse he'll have them convene back to him regardless. Constantly dancing around attacks with the level of Kakuzu's elements (B rank but mastery makes them much more potent) needs a constant amount of focus and stamina. He's already shown to falter when doing something similar against smaller scaled attacks so I don't see that being a viable option here. Not your fault though as everyone thinks any shinobi can dance around Kakuzu's attacks with absolutely zero repercussion.

Kakashi was exhausted at this point and was running away from the firestorm so he had his back on Kakuzu. Regardless, Hebi Sasuke is faster than early Shippuden Kakashi. Although I'll concede about the smoke/debris making things hard for Kakuzu.

I agree he can't dance around Kakuzu's attacks forever but he'll eventually close the distance while avoiding the first few attacks and use chidori sharp spear to skewer Kakuzu and his hearts.

Manda is literally the only thing that give's Sasuke a chance at this fight Lol although I haven't brought up a few things either.

With Manda, this becomes a relatively easy victory for Sasuke considering its speed as well as Sasuke's making it difficult for Kakuzu to keep up with. If Kakuzu uses domu to block Manda's attack, he becomes stationary allowing Sasuke to take Kakuzu out or if Kakuzu focusses on Sasuke, Manda can harass him and his masks.

This is true, although realize if Kakuzu keeps spamming the fuuton as well all that hot air will be blow away anyways. Kakuzu still controls his hearts during genjutsu, and Sasuke's feats are pitiful.

No all the hot air will be above the elevation of the fuuton that Kakuzu fires so it won't be blown away.

 

[Kαmi]

I'm siding with Sasuke mid-high diff here. Genjutsu, element matchup, speed and Manda gives Sasuke the advantage here.

 

[QdonEms]

Hebi sasuke is above FRS naruto who beat kakazu so according to ABC logic sasuke wins.

 

[Xlad]

So super yang also thinks Kakuzu wins as well...

OT: Sasuke wins mid-diff. Icelerate pretty much said everything.

 

[Zexion~]

The trees being far back just speaks volume of the height of Atsugai but I'm talking about it's width in relation to the radius of Deidara's C2 explosion. Deidara's C2 dragon

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compared to a human. Yet that C2 dragon is a

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. Regardless, I'll accept that the radius of C2 explosion is comparable to Atsuugai's half width. I say half width because Sasuke will be in the middle of the rectangle where the attack's front is and only needs to move half a length to the side to escape it.

What are you saying my man? It has nothing to do with the height? We can clearly see that the end of the jutsu reaches the tree's

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Since the closest tree's in the direction the jutsu were used are that far back from Kakuzu its length is pretty extraordinary.

Another note is that there were clearly tree's behind him at first

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so the fact that the jutsu wiped them out horizontally and vertically behind him, is quite a feat. Its loads larger than C2 and thats not even factoring in the fact that explosions are exaggerated af in the manga. We literally see Sasuke leaving the area depicted by Kishi to be the blast radius AFTER the explosion already went off

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then there is the fact that he avoided a mine which its explosion was shown to be at least 10-15 meters high, by merely gliding up a few meters Lol.

Explosions aren't linear, they do damage all over the body due to having a 360 degree AoE.

This is correct only if the explosion happens dead center of the human body .-. Sasuke's wing worked the same way a blast shield would. Hold it up in front of you and it takes most of the explosion as the forced wouldn't be able to break through and actually damage the opponent. It tanked the explosive force for Sasuke as it was only in one direction.

Kakuzu's wind will only crush him with its extreme pressure if it is strong enough to do so. It'll probably do minor damage which can be healed.

Its extreme enough to rip through the ground and obliterate dozens of trees the size of manda Lol (maybe not) dead or not thats still a decent feat. I don't see how CM blocks such an attack in Sasuke's case. Only worked for Kimi (albeit a different kind of pressure) because he could harden his bones.

Do remember that Sasuke absorbed Oro and now holds the power of the white snake. Not to mention wings tend to be resistant to air pressure hence why birds adapt to the harsh conditions in the air because their wings simply let the air pressure glide away aerodynamically.

Natural air pressure is never densely compacted though? Same way chakra gets much more potent when it is condensed and in turn made more dense, the wind would do the same, hence how it explodes with such ferocity after it athers the wind.

For similar reasons, airplanes can fly through air at a high speed because the air simply goes around the plane instead of hitting it head on.

Natural wings don't have the same structure a plane does... if it needs to flap it's not tanking air pressure Lol

Sasuke will lose his footing only if he gets hit by the technique but he won't. Being able to work on Ino-Shika-Cho doesn't mean it'll work on Hebi Sasuke considering

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rather easily and

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without losing his footing or anything.

Kakashi jumped backwards, like you'd need to do to avoid the jutsu (although keep in mind at closer range it gets more deadly) but like I said its mainly used for stopping any approach Sasuke tries to make.

If Kakashi was already in the air, that just makes the feat more impressive as it is nearly impossible to shunshin while in midair without a solid foothold

There are tree's my man.

You don't need a sharingan to see a bolt of blue electricity but Sasuke has it so it doesn't matter.

What? The fact that Kakashi saw it coming and he still barely made it while traveling at his FASTEST speed (as when Raikiri is used you must travel at top speed) is a testament to its speed combine that with it being used at closer range and its quite deadly for any who's speed is less than Kakashi's. Sasuke would have to focus intently on avoiding the jutsu which again leaves him open to other attacks.

You say Kakuzu will use it at a closer range but doing so will make him susceptible to a blitz attempt (

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). Deidara barely evaded that and realized that he has to fly in order to prevent himself getting taken out.

Uhm you mean while he was spouting off his arrogant insults at Sasuke? If anything that lessens his speed hype Lol as Deidara was able to exclaim "He's fast" before he even reached him. Although I don't see why you think Kakuzu himself would have to move closer to Sasuke to have the masks attack closer.

And since the jutsu the hearts use are quickly launched (in gian and atsugai's case stated in the DB) any blitz attempt leads to a jutsu in the face as he can't avoid when launching himself head on, especially from Fuuton. Worst case scenario they take off which they've shown to be able to do pretty quickly

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( don't need to remind you how high they achieved there so no sharp spear isn't hitting them anywhere near the mask.

Deidara is faster than Kakuzu based on the databook and the fact that Deidara outmanoeuvred team Gai (

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base Naruto's clones. Kakuzu doesn't have flight so Sasuke eventually takes him out, sooner, rather than later as was the case with Deidara.

Lol low blow Ice my man. However Naruto's outmaneuvering of Kakuzu had nothing to do with speed. (having to look at these chapters fills me with disgust >.>) Both times it was merely Kakuzu underestimating a clumsy kid Lol. I know this may be viable with Sasuke as well but we both know Sasuke's demeanor and feats are more overwhelming than Naruto's. So I doubt Kakuzu will let himself be caught off guard. Lets not forget that Kakuzu was unable to fire his jutsu at Naruto the second time as he was building up chakra for a presumably massive attack

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Lets not forget Naruto was also able to outmaneuver Deidara as well

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(read scans previous) with less help than he had against Kakuzu. While Sasuke couldn't even touch a distracted Deidara Lol Lets not go pointing fingers when Naruto is involved.

As for his speed Kakuzu has shown to instigate short but fast bursts of speed (Do I really need scans) When he amazed Shikamaru's original squad, and being able to catch Kakashi off guard thrice (one being pure attack speed however). I don't see why he wouldn't be able to react to anything thats not directly in front of him. Lets not forget Naruto was also able to outmaneuver Deidara as well (X)

Like I said, Sasuke can use the tree tops to gain higher elevation. Although Sasuke's jumping ability isn't even my main strategy so I'll let it slide as I know the forest can get destroyed especially when the trees in this location won't be as large or thick as the one where Kakuzu fought Kakashi.

*KidGamer Voice* Agreed

Sasuke utilising snake arms to grapple trees allowed him to escape this

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yet you think Kakuzu's ninjutsu is going to catch him? Sasuke's shadow snake arms are faster than Kakuzu's threads considering that Kakuzu

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against base Naruto who was charging at him with FRS

The explosions were all the mines on the ground combined which Sasuke already showed us that merely being a few meters off the ground escapes any harm coming from them. So not seeing that as a really big feat here. Kakuzu's hearts will be in the air after Sasuke sending massive bolts of lightning at him along with giant fuuton blasts. So no avoiding those mines means nothing comparatively to Kakuzu's jutsu.

Not to mention as you said the tree's would be destroyed anyways so why is this still being used?

Seriously Lol Naruto was behind Kakuzu who noticed him too late hence the "shit" he was able to use his threads before Naruto could even think about getting away though

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Kakashi himself exclaimed they were "too fast"

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and he was caught by them once before as well.

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) from Itachi

You mean an Itachi who wasn't trying to kill him? Blocking Shurikan isn't that much of a feat. I don't know why you're even using this here as I don't really care how fast the snakes are released. They don't strike faster then the threads and even if they did the threads would rip right through them anyways.

They were also fast enough to block surprise explosions even when Sasuke wasn't in a battle (

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). If one of Sasuke's hands get stuck, the other hand can still be used to slice the threads off the hand that got stuck.

Except they would both be stuck at the same time :| Not to mention it Cought Kakashi who can use Raikiri in both hands simultaneously

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note both wrists are caught.

Weak argument as Sasuke has to merely move his arm if Kakuzu tries sidestepping chidori sharp spear. I already explained to you why Sasuke will indeed come near him.

Uhm...Kakuzu would hop backwards if Sasuke somehow manages to escape the two hearts pursuing him and then bypass the katon hearts jutsu despite no path being available and then escape being caught by Kakuzu's threads.

Kakashi was exhausted at this point and was running away from the firestorm so he had his back on Kakuzu. Regardless, Hebi Sasuke is faster than early Shippuden Kakashi. Although I'll concede about the smoke/debris making things hard for Kakuzu.

He was avoiding the firestorm yes .-. why wouldn't Sasuke be avoiding jutsu as well? That's how Kakuzu fights overwhelming the opponent with jutsu and then removing their hearts if he see's it to be needed. However he won't even want to take Sasukes heart so if ever bound by threads he'd be taken down by Gian immediately. Also they're ranked the same in the DB. So no he's not faster.

I agree he can't dance around Kakuzu's attacks forever but he'll eventually close the distance while avoiding the first few attacks and use chidori sharp spear to skewer Kakuzu and his hearts.

How so? Kakuzu will keep the katon heart near him to force Sasuke back if he ever attempts to get close. Not to mention you keep forgetting Kakuzu can move away whenever he notices Sasuke coming close.

With Manda, this becomes a relatively easy victory for Sasuke considering its speed as well as Sasuke's making it difficult for Kakuzu to keep up with. If Kakuzu uses domu to block Manda's attack, he becomes stationary allowing Sasuke to take Kakuzu out or if Kakuzu focusses on Sasuke, Manda can harass him and his masks.

Incorrect as if Manda attacks Kakuzu with the two means of attack he has.. (Biting or body slamming) he'd either be ripping apart Manda's mouth with threads or he'd be under Manda's body for a time meaning Sasuke can't take advantage of either one. Manda who was afraid of Oil+Flame Combination should be taken out by Kakuzu's combination, which is quicker than Jiraiya's combination and arguably has a higher Damage Capability and range.

Either way if Manda attacks Kakuzu's main body he'd be taken down with this combination attack as he'd be focused on taking him down instead of going underground. Then there's the fact that it can't take down any mask anyways as they've already shown to tank a force of great value

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But the chakra around his palms should have increased the damage by a decent amount. Size does mean that the force is distributed over a greater area so a concentrated blow like Chouji's may in fact be stronger than just manda using his body to strike. Then there is if he tries to consume the hearts the jutsu destroy him from the inside. Either way Combination ends him.

No all the hot air will be above the elevation of the fuuton that Kakuzu fires so it won't be blown away.

Except the fuuton also causes massive wind currents around it on all sides (Chouji and Shikamaru were thrown back from just the wind) so yes the air would be dispersed.


Kinda got sloppy at the end Lol my bad

 

[Gold Lightning]

Hebi sasuke is above FRS naruto who beat kakazu so according to ABC logic sasuke wins.

lol. Kakuzu had been fighting kakashi for quite a while. And by the way, naruto would have died if yamato and kakashi didnt save him. So your logic fails.

 

[TRE MERCER]

Sasuke low difficulty.

Sasuke is simply a bad match for him. Domu is useless because he's a ration user. His other hearts are toyed with and blitzed. Kakuzu can't even take out Manda for starters.​

Kakuzu wins all day long.

Sasuke isn't fending off against 4 heart monsters at once while simultaneously fighting combatting Kakuzu. It's too much. Manda gets roasted. Choji couldn't even destroy those hearts with his full sized smashes. Manda ain't defeating them.

Kakashi struggled because he was outnumbered. And that was Kakuzu with only 2/3 hearts, this time it's four. Sasuke can't evade e elemental onslaught forever. Kakuzu's Firestyle >> Sasuke's. Kakuzus wind + fire combo > curse mark Sasuke's fire style. Kakuzu can also gain an aerial advantage with his wind heart. Kakuzus threaded limbs also give him that extra reach to get the better of Sasuke.

There's no way he's defeating all 4 hearts and still has enough chakra to defeat Kakuzu. He literally has to kill Kakuzu 5 times, he won't get the time or space to prepare Kirin either.

Manda gets roasted? Do you read the Manga? Manda does this [

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] Katon is then useless. Kakashi easily handled Kakuzu in cqc Hebi Sasuke with his CM2 will accomplish this feat even easier. All Sasuke or Manda has to do is crush their mask and they won't get back up. So Manda crushes their face and their finished. Manda takes that puny ration and his Futon style Hidan's body tanked that so it's pretty much irrelevant Kakuzu using his strings or w/e they are Chidori stream counters that. He doesn't have to Kill him 5 times when he can one shot all of his hearts via [

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[Mr Major English]

Kid Sasuke has this in the bag mid difference. His use of Katon - with mastery on par - with the Sage is very formidable, something that Kakuzu lacks a feasible counter in order to assure his survival. The latter will likewise suffer from Sasuke's - exquisite shunshin on par with the Sage, which was able to blitz Gaara through his absolute defence quite miserably. It's immaculate - Kakuzu is no match for Sasuke's mastery of shunshin and Katon.

Anyone who disagrees - is not smart like I am.

 

[shelke]

Sasuke wins mid-difference. I remember I made a detailed post - several posts - on this in the past.

Kid Sasuke has this in the bag mid difference. His use of Katon - with mastery on par - with the Sage is very formidable, something that Kakuzu lacks a feasible counter in order to assure his survival. The latter will likewise suffer from Sasuke's - exquisite shunshin on par with the Sage, which was able to blitz Gaara through his absolute defence quite miserably. It's immaculate - Kakuzu is no match for Sasuke's mastery of shunshin and Katon.

Anyone who disagrees - is not smart like I am.

If you are really imitating me, at least show some courtesy to get the grammar right. Jesus Lol.

 

[Icelerate]

What are you saying my man? It has nothing to do with the height? We can clearly see that the end of the jutsu reaches the tree's

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Since the closest tree's in the direction the jutsu were used are that far back from Kakuzu its length is pretty extraordinary.

Another note is that there were clearly tree's behind him at first

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so the fact that the jutsu wiped them out horizontally and vertically behind him, is quite a feat. Its loads larger than C2 and thats not even factoring in the fact that explosions are exaggerated af in the manga. We literally see Sasuke leaving the area depicted by Kishi to be the blast radius AFTER the explosion already went off

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then there is the fact that he avoided a mine which its explosion was shown to be at least 10-15 meters high, by merely gliding up a few meters Lol.

How does Kakuzu's fuuton reaching trees make its range that great? Even Kakuzu managed to kick Kakashi to the trees (

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I'll agree that Sasuke was at the outer edge of the explosion but do realize those were

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so Sasuke would be forced to dodge from a point blank range. The width of Kakuzu's fuuton isn't nearly as large as the total range it covers so Sasuke can sidestep it by running around Kakuzu or if Kakuzu is a fair distance away, Sasuke can run to the side, diagonal from Kakuzu's LoS. Speaking of the width of Kakuzu's fuuton, it only covered a few trees and Sasuke only has to cover half width of Kakuzu's fuuton to do a sideward dodge it. Sasuke even managed to outrun

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by running sideways, he easily evades Kakuzu's fuuton which is far slower than amaterasu and unguided. Not to mention Hebi Sasuke has better speed feats and speed hype compared to Early Shippuden Kakashi. Not to mention Kakashi was distracted by Hidan when up against the fuuton attack.

I don't think Sasuke evaded the mine explosion.

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and if he did evade it, he didn't evade it completely. Though going against Deidara's air attacks while keeping an eye out for mines is much much harder than evading Kakuzu's ninjutsu considering Sasuke doesn't have to keep an eye out in the air and the ground at the same time. Mines won't impede Sasuke's movements so he can use his full speed without worrying about stepping onto an explosion.

This is correct only if the explosion happens dead center of the human body .-. Sasuke's wing worked the same way a blast shield would. Hold it up in front of you and it takes most of the explosion as the forced wouldn't be able to break through and actually damage the opponent. It tanked the explosive force for Sasuke as it was only in one direction.

Then Sasuke simply turns around and lets his wings take the attack much like the blast shield. Sasuke's wings will simply make the air pressure glide towards, his sides so he won't get crushed by it.

Its extreme enough to rip through the ground and obliterate dozens of trees the size of manda Lol (maybe not) dead or not thats still a decent feat. I don't see how CM blocks such an attack in Sasuke's case. Only worked for Kimi (albeit a different kind of pressure) because he could harden his bones.

Pretty sure Deidara's C2 explosions can obliterate dozens of those trees too and even

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. Not to mention those giant snakes can soften the blow even further considering Sasuke in base tanked the explosion with zero damage to the snakes, let alone his actual body especially in CS2.

Kimi had to harden his bones to tank sand coffin which is a superior pressure attack because it crushes you with physical sand from all directions. Kakuzu's fuuton isn't being controlled by himself after it is released unlike Gaara's sand so the fuuton isn't being compressed into Sasuke's body and it is a far more spread out attack than sand coffin.

Natural air pressure is never densely compacted though? Same way chakra gets much more potent when it is condensed and in turn made more dense, the wind would do the same, hence how it explodes with such ferocity after it athers the wind.

True natural air pressure isn't very compact but Sasuke's wings are much more durable than real life birds.

Natural wings don't have the same structure a plane does... if it needs to flap it's not tanking air pressure Lol

Okay but both are suited for aerodynamic travel which means the wings cut through the air so that the air doesn't exert much force to slow down a bird's flight.

Kakashi jumped backwards, like you'd need to do to avoid the jutsu (although keep in mind at closer range it gets more deadly) but like I said its mainly used for stopping any approach Sasuke tries to make.

If Kakashi could jump backwards to evade it's frontal range, evading its width is much easier.

There are tree's my man.

There are trees to use in this location too and didn't you claim that the trees were far away from Kakashi in your first paragraph when talking about how Atsugai reaching the trees is such a good feat for its range?

What? The fact that Kakashi saw it coming and he still barely made it while traveling at his FASTEST speed (as when Raikiri is used you must travel at top speed) is a testament to its speed combine that with it being used at closer range and its quite deadly for any who's speed is less than Kakashi's. Sasuke would have to focus intently on avoiding the jutsu which again leaves him open to other attacks.

Sasuke is even faster than Kakashi and doesn't need to outrun raiton gian, just dodge it. I mean if someone throws a dodgeball at you, all you have to do is sidestep it. You don't need to be nearly as fast as the ball itself but someone as fast as Sasuke or Kakashi have shown to actually move faster than that bolt of lightning making it ever easier to evade.

Uhm you mean while he was spouting off his arrogant insults at Sasuke? If anything that lessens his speed hype Lol as Deidara was able to exclaim "He's fast" before he even reached him. Although I don't see why you think Kakuzu himself would have to move closer to Sasuke to have the masks attack closer.

And since the jutsu the hearts use are quickly launched (in gian and atsugai's case stated in the DB) any blitz attempt leads to a jutsu in the face as he can't avoid when launching himself head on, especially from Fuuton. Worst case scenario they take off which they've shown to be able to do pretty quickly

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( don't need to remind you how high they achieved there so no sharp spear isn't hitting them anywhere near the mask.

How does Deidara exclaiming "He's fast" refute the speed feat? I never said Deidara can't react to Sasuke's shunshin, only saying that it troubled him unlike Kakashi whose shunshin never bothered Kakuzu who is slower, or at the very most, equal to Deidara.

Using Kakuzu's jutsus requires Kakuzu to use handseals (

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) and take some time to charge. They don't instantly come out because the mask needs to open its mouth and then build up chakra (

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) before the mask releases all that energy. Sasuke was stopping Itachi from weaving seals (

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) who is much faster than Kakuzu in both movement and hand seals.

As for Kakuzu's masks flying out of range, then they'll have an even more difficult time tagging Sasuke. Not link Sasuke can't use Manda or other

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. If those masks are up in the air, the real Kakuzu doesn't have much of a defence from Sasuke.

Lol low blow Ice my man. However Naruto's outmaneuvering of Kakuzu had nothing to do with speed. (having to look at these chapters fills me with disgust >.>) Both times it was merely Kakuzu underestimating a clumsy kid Lol. I know this may be viable with Sasuke as well but we both know Sasuke's demeanor and feats are more overwhelming than Naruto's. So I doubt Kakuzu will let himself be caught off guard. Lets not forget that Kakuzu was unable to fire his jutsu at Naruto the second time as he was building up chakra for a presumably massive attack

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Lets not forget Naruto was also able to outmaneuver Deidara as well

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(read scans previous) with less help than he had against Kakuzu. While Sasuke couldn't even touch a distracted Deidara Lol Lets not go pointing fingers when Naruto is involved.

As for his speed Kakuzu has shown to instigate short but fast bursts of speed (Do I really need scans) When he amazed Shikamaru's original squad, and being able to catch Kakashi off guard thrice (one being pure attack speed however). I don't see why he wouldn't be able to react to anything thats not directly in front of him. Lets not forget Naruto was also able to outmaneuver Deidara as well (X)

Kakuzu may have been building up chakra for a jutsu but it doesn't change the fact he could have simply used his threads to engage Naruto which

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on after presumably building up chakra.

I'll give you the Naruto part, still Kakuzu is probably around Deidara's level of speed so he'll be constantly pressured but unlike Deidara, Kakuzu won't have to option of taking to the skies. Not to mention Sasuke won't have to deal with attacks from the ground and attacks from the sky simultaneously. Not to mention that Sasuke was up against guided missiles unlike Kakuzu's elementals which aren't guided.

The explosions were all the mines on the ground combined which Sasuke already showed us that merely being a few meters off the ground escapes any harm coming from them. So not seeing that as a really big feat here. Kakuzu's hearts will be in the air after Sasuke sending massive bolts of lightning at him along with giant fuuton blasts. So no avoiding those mines means nothing comparatively to Kakuzu's jutsu.

Not to mention as you said the tree's would be destroyed anyways so why is this still being used?

Seriously Lol Naruto was behind Kakuzu who noticed him too late hence the "shit" he was able to use his threads before Naruto could even think about getting away though

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Kakashi himself exclaimed they were "too fast"

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and he was caught by them once before as well.

Sasuke had his CS2 on at that time so he didn't have to dodge out of the radius of the explosion, but when he dodged the other C2 missile, he was in base so he must have been at the outer edge of the explosion. Kakuzu isn't destroying the entire forest that easily.

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even after Kakuzu's battle with team Konoha.

You mean an Itachi who wasn't trying to kill him? Blocking Shurikan isn't that much of a feat. I don't know why you're even using this here as I don't really care how fast the snakes are released. They don't strike faster then the threads and even if they did the threads would rip right through them anyways.

Itachi not trying to kill him doesn't change the fact that Sasuke blocked shuriken from a clone he didn't notice until it was extremely close and while the original Itachi was engaging Sasuke. I'm not saying Sasuke will strike Kakuzu with the snakes, I said he'll use them to swing around from tree to tree. How exactly are threads stopping Sasuke from swinging around?

Except they would both be stuck at the same time :| Not to mention it Cought Kakashi who can use Raikiri in both hands simultaneously

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note both wrists are caught.

Sasuke can simply use his

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to bite those threads, freeing him even his his hands are bound. His hands were busy with Itachi but the snakes can act like additional limbs.

Uhm...Kakuzu would hop backwards if Sasuke somehow manages to escape the two hearts pursuing him and then bypass the katon hearts jutsu despite no path being available and then escape being caught by Kakuzu's threads.

Then Sasuke simply hops forward unless you think Sasuke's forward hop is slower than Kakuzu's backward hop.

He was avoiding the firestorm yes .-. why wouldn't Sasuke be avoiding jutsu as well? That's how Kakuzu fights overwhelming the opponent with jutsu and then removing their hearts if he see's it to be needed. However he won't even want to take Sasukes heart so if ever bound by threads he'd be taken down by Gian immediately. Also they're ranked the same in the DB. So no he's not faster.

Sasuke will have an easier time avoiding jutsu than Kakashi due to superior speed. Not to mention Sasuke can pretend to get hurt badly by that firestorm so that when Kakuzu comes to finish him off, Kakuzu will get caught off guard much like how even Sakura and Tsunade managed to catch their opponents off guard despite being slower than Sasuke.

Being ranked the same in the DB don't make them the same level of speed. Kakuzu is ranked 4.0 in speed alongside Kurenai, Shizune and Anko whereas Sasuke was pressuring Deidara, a guy with 4.5 in speed, so I guess he blitzes Kakuzu easily if we're to go by your logic. Sasuke simply has better speed feats and hype compared to pre War Arc Kakashi.

How so? Kakuzu will keep the katon heart near him to force Sasuke back if he ever attempts to get close. Not to mention you keep forgetting Kakuzu can move away whenever he notices Sasuke coming close.

Then Sasuke simply run around the katon mask. You can argue the katon mask simply turning around but Sasuke will spiral inwards, eventually taking it out. As Kakuzu's hearts on the battlefield get taken out, one after the other, his firepower will diminish allowing Sasuke to wrap things up even quicker.

Incorrect as if Manda attacks Kakuzu with the two means of attack he has.. (Biting or body slamming) he'd either be ripping apart Manda's mouth with threads or he'd be under Manda's body for a time meaning Sasuke can't take advantage of either one. Manda who was afraid of Oil+Flame Combination should be taken out by Kakuzu's combination, which is quicker than Jiraiya's combination and arguably has a higher Damage Capability and range.

Either way if Manda attacks Kakuzu's main body he'd be taken down with this combination attack as he'd be focused on taking him down instead of going underground. Then there's the fact that it can't take down any mask anyways as they've already shown to tank a force of great value

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But the chakra around his palms should have increased the damage by a decent amount. Size does mean that the force is distributed over a greater area so a concentrated blow like Chouji's may in fact be stronger than just manda using his body to strike. Then there is if he tries to consume the hearts the jutsu destroy him from the inside. Either way Combination ends him.

Prove to me that Manda's collosal mouth which is as large as a building would be getting ripped apart by Kakuzu's threads which don't have a total size which is in no shape or form comparable to Manda's mouth. Manda easily bites those threads, thus cutting them. How is Kakuzu's combination any quicker. Jiraiya's was larger and Manda already countered it, I don't see why you are bringing up Kakuzu's. Kakuzu's most certainly does not have greater damage capacity or range. Even the trees weren't lit on fire and no forest fire occurred. Seems quite pitiful TBH.

Except the fuuton also causes massive wind currents around it on all sides (Chouji and Shikamaru were thrown back from just the wind) so yes the air would be dispersed.


Kinda got sloppy at the end Lol my bad

Chouji and Shikamaru weren't in the air and the wind currents covering all sides doesn't mean they'll cover above their height into the higher altitudes. Also your logic is flawed because Kakuzu wasn't able to blow away the air in the battlefield as everyone could still breathe just fine without difficulty. The hot air that heats up will go upwards anyway so I don't see what your point is.