Is that all you have to say that Zoro may not be able to cut Aokiji's ice? Didn't Zoro destroy ice spikes at PH?
I don't remember if he did or didn't, he probably did.
However, how hard the ice is isn't the only thing that matters. How strong the actual technique is, how much force is behind it, that matters too. I have no way of knowing if Zoro is capable of matching or overpowering the force behind Pheasant Beak because we haven't had a good measure of that technique's power or force yet.
again:
Luffy got fodderised by a clone Mingo at the start of the fight... So a brief encounter like that inconclusive. AS I SAID: you are suffering from fanboy logic though because:
* Shanks stops Akainu's high power Luffy plus Jinbei killing attack with ease while looking at Sengoku... your take on it: It doesn't show difference in their powers ...
This isn't the same thing as what happened between Fujitora and Zoro though. When Shanks clashed with Akainu, they were dead even. You don't know that it was easy for Shanks(he was using Haki, after all), and the attack was meant for Coby, which makes it unlikely that Akainu was packing serious power into it, unless you think Akainu would exert himself for what is relatively fodder, and for a Yonko.
The key difference is that in one, it ended dead even, and in the other, one person was completely overwhelmed. The two situations aren't at all comparable.
* Fuji creates a gravity vortex intense while Zoro escapes it and land on knee stance(which doesn't indicate if it's all exhuastion blame or simply a stylish landing with a simple out breath)... your take on it: "That's a clear indicator of the difference in their power."
@Bold: You're reaching. "Stylish landing" is just an excuse. And being "simply out of breath" isn't at all "simply." If one attack from an Admiral that is quantifiably weaker than most of his other attacks leaves Zoro out of breath whatsoever, then it shows a gulf in power with what we've seen from Zoro.
And I say "from what we've seen" for a reason. Is it possible for Zoro to be able to perform better than he did? Yeah. In fact, I think that he can. I think if he was, for example, using Asura, he'd have faired a lot better against that attack. But the key word there is "think." I can't go on what I THINK Zoro will show in the future. That's a fallacy that easily approaches the no-limits fallacy. I can only go with what I KNOW. And what I KNOW is what we were shown. And what we were shown is that contending with Fujitora's attack left Zoro out of breath. We can theorize and make hypothetical scenarios about what Zoro could and will do, but those are useless in a debate.
I'm with ya, I'd love nothing more than for people to acknowledge it only makes sense Ace had armament haki but people are gonna refuse because he never hit a Logia and he didn't stop damage that haki could have.
As illogical as it is, there's no evidence to support otherwise. It makes no sense to me why he wouldn't even have the basics of it but Oda decided not to show him with it.
This ties into what I said above. We can THINK that Ace had Armament Haki and used it all we want, but that's useless in a debate. The only things that actually carry weight in a debate are what we know. And we don't know that Ace can use Armament.
"There's no evidence to support Ace doesn't have Armament." This isn't true. It's the exact opposite of what's true. There's zero evidence that Ace had any degree of utilization of Armament Haki. There IS evidence, however, that points towards Ace not having it.
The most damning is that Ace didn't use Haki against a Logia(Blackbeard) even when he knew they were a Logia. People say he was "testing out Teach's power," but Ace has never been shown to be a person who cares about shit like that to actually do it.
Then there's the fact that Logias like Caesar and Monet were able to survive long periods of time as pirates in the New World despite not having Armament. That defeats the argument that Ace would need Armament Haki to survive being a pirate in the New World.
Then there's the fact that Whitebeard pirates have shown very proficient teamwork. That supports Ace not using/needing Armament Haki even further, since if he ever encountered an enemy that would warrant Busoshoku Haki, he could just let another crewmate who has it handle them.
Does it make sense for Ace to have Armament? Yeah. Is there evidence that he did? No. Is there evidence that suggests it makes sense he didn't have it? Yes. You can theorize and think that Ace had Armament till the sun burns out, I also think if we saw battles of Ace post-skip, we'd see Armament, but until it's actually shown or confirmed, it means nothing in a debate.