Current Sasuke vs Juubi Jin Madara

[Sennin of Logic]

Skimmed through, Madara used Kamui as a JJ and Susano'o has absolutely nothing to do with Dojutsu after it's already been awakened.

Oh really? 2 things imply otherwise.


1. Obito's kamui was restricted. The juubi can interfere with powers. As such, if not displayed, it's logical to assume that they're restricted unless shown otherwise.


2.

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"with the gedo statue gone, he's putting them inside of susanoo." Basically, susanoo has a similar function to gedo statue. This adds a very realistic possibility that gedo statue replaces susanoo.


1 of 3 possibilities has to be the case.

1. Madara does not have susanoo. (quite likely, and you can't contribute this to Madara's power unless you have very good evidence otherwise)

2. Madara's PS is his normal PS. The chakras of the bijus goes into the statue, which is where he gets his power. It's possible the 2 powers don't run simultaneously.


3. Madara does have PS, but it's on the same level as Sasuke's original senjutsu PS. You can't but the biju chakra in the gedo statue and susanoo, so it's clear Madara couldn't have his susanoo evolve like Sasuke's. Therefore, in this scenario, he has a PS enhanced by senjutsu chakra, which is the same as the one Sasuke just upgraded from, and would get crushed by Sasuke's current one.


In all 3 scenarios, Madara is inferior.

 

[Blunt]

Oh really? 2 things imply otherwise.


1. Obito's kamui was restricted. The juubi can interfere with powers. As such, if not displayed, it's logical to assume that they're restricted unless shown otherwise.


2.

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"with the gedo statue gone, he's putting them inside of susanoo." Basically, susanoo has a similar function to gedo statue. This adds a very realistic possibility that gedo statue replaces susanoo.


1 of 3 possibilities has to be the case.

1. Madara does not have susanoo. (quite likely, and you can't contribute this to Madara's power unless you have very good evidence otherwise)

2. Madara's PS is his normal PS. The chakras of the bijus goes into the statue, which is where he gets his power. It's possible the 2 powers don't run simultaneously.


3. Madara does have PS, but it's on the same level as Sasuke's original senjutsu PS. You can't but the biju chakra in the gedo statue and susanoo, so it's clear Madara couldn't have his susanoo evolve like Sasuke's. Therefore, in this scenario, he has a PS enhanced by senjutsu chakra, which is the same as the one Sasuke just upgraded from, and would get crushed by Sasuke's current one.


In all 3 scenarios, Madara is inferior.

Eh.

I never thought I'd be saying Sasuke is superior to this version of Madara, ever.

 

[madvictory]

Why restrict IT ? Sasuke is the perfect counter to it.

Anyway, Sasuke has shown better feats even before today's chapter, with this chapter's feats and him being stated to almost be at Rikudo's level means that Madara gets shat on.

Fixed that for you. Juubi-Jin Madara with 2 Rinnegan Eyes is equal, if not beyond the Sage of 6 Paths in power.

 

[Sennin of Logic]

Eh.

I never thought I'd be saying Sasuke is superior to this version of Madara, ever.

Neither did a lot of people.


Sorry, I may be beating a dead horse, but there's one more argument I forgot to mention.


For Madara, he puts bijus inside of the gedo statue. Then it evolved into the juubi, and he takes its powers to make it 6 paths senjutsu.


For Sasuke, he gets his power from the moon seal. This already gives him a degree of 6 paths senjutsu (still lower Naruto and Madara ) and a special rinnegan. Sasuke with just the moon seal is juubi jinshuriki level. Here's the real difference that can't be denied.


Madara uses the chakra of the bijus to grant himself 6 paths senjutsu and juubi jinchuriki level. Sasuke without the biju's chakra is at a comparable (albeit inferior level) but then adds the bijus power on top of it. This essentially doubles Sasuke's powers and places his susanoo far above Madara's (presuming he has one, which I doubt) as comparing the 2 is like having Rinnegan Sasuke as base Madara and boosting both of them by the same level.

 

[King Of Pop]

Sometimes arguments just needs to be let gone, sasuke is way op, he would beat madara for real, dat ligtning god soosano is one sick shit. There's also the possibility of him mastering and gaining abilities with his rinnegan which he can use with soosano to amplify his power. Can't wait to see the dc of That giant arrow he's about to unleash.

 

[Omar19992010]

Sometimes arguments just needs to be let gone, sasuke is way op, he would beat madara for real, dat ligtning god soosano is one sick shit. There's also the possibility of him mastering and gaining abilities with his rinnegan which he can use with soosano to amplify his power. Can't wait to see the dc of That giant arrow he's about to unleash.

The thing is we never got to see Madara at his peak he was being hyped up to be invincible and to be on par with the So6p but then he gets taken out in the worst way ever and replaced so by feats Sasuke takes a massive shit on Madara.

 

[makosheva7]

Without PS I don't see how Madara could win (since it's by feats). Sasuke high diff though.

 

[King Of Pop]

The thing is we never got to see Madara at his peak he was being hyped up to be invincible and to be on par with the So6p but then he gets taken out in the worst way ever and replaced so by feats Sasuke takes a massive shit on Madara.

hmm yh true. i agree

 

[Killua Zoldyck]

Based on pure feats, Sasuke would win. Based on portrayal, Madara wins. If we include some reasonable speculation on what Madara should have been capable of doing, Madara destroys. If Sasuke does not have the Biju's at his disposal however Madara would win all scenarios.

 

[Unorthodox]

A Good day when i finally see sasuke winning over Madara in a vs thread and the base agress

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[Scryed]

The amount of Tailed Beast chakra Sasuke added to PS is the same amount Juubi Jin Madara had. Although Madara was an actual Juubi Jin through the Gedo while Sasuke added it all to his PS in particular.

But apparently Sasuke's is at Hagoromo's level now (Probably Post-Jin though). From the looks of it, Madara was as well so I'll say they're around the same level for now.

 

[KidGamer65]

Finally, people saw the light in this match-up *cough* KidGamer *cough*

Sasuke only needed a power up for me to do it. Lol.

 

[ARGUS]

Sasuke beats him mid diff at most

--He has canonically blitzed madara through his S/T jutsu, meaing that he is sufferring the same fate here

--the only thing that madara has that could even scratch sasukes bijuu amped PS is the TBB however to do that madara needs to form the tree, therefore allowing sasuke more than enough time to eradicate the tree and intercept all of madaras attacks

--Madaras Limbo is nonfactor, the attacks such as rinbo hengoku are evaded by sasuke through utmost ease, or his Susanoo just tanks them with no damage whatsoever, as its slashes proceed to eradicate the clones completely,

--God tree is also nonfactor, it gets one-shotted by a PS slash which has comparable if not higher cutting strengthh than YRS which canonically eradicated it

--Madaras TSB shield isnt withstanding the force of sasukes attacks either, especially when a TBB from BSM Naruto bypassed it, nor are his onmyoudon negating shit, and his juubi body is also not tanking sasukes attacks when a normal rasengan busted a whole on juubitos body, meaning that sasukes attacks would eradicate madara,

 

[UCE]

After thinking about it for sometime i say sasuke can win, i was going to wait till he showed some rinnegan techniques in order to make a final decision, but judging from his current feats i say is enough. ​