Madara's Limbo clones are in a separate dimension from the real world. Gravity from NV doesn't affect them, so CT is useless. He can't do anything to them with his Chidori (which doesn't have Senjutsu), as he needed Naruto's (Shukaku's Jutsu) to paralyse their movements. There are 5 of them, extremely fast in movement. Sasuke stated he would be killed by them:
Madara's Limbo clones are in a separate dimension from the real world. Gravity from NV doesn't affect them, so CT is useless. He can't do anything to them with his Chidori (which doesn't have Senjutsu), as he needed Naruto's (Shukaku's Jutsu) to paralyse their movements. There are 5 of them, extremely fast in movement. Sasuke stated he would be killed by them:
Sasuke stated his chidori had sage chakra in it as well. But either way limbo are avoided by flying susanoo and madara gets wrecked by lighting arrow spam.
I don't remember Hagoromo ever stating Madara was close to his level of power. The term "power" itself is too broad. Nagato and Hagoromo had the same "power" (Chibaku Tensei) but Hagoromo's had more "power" (moon-level).
I wouldn't completely agree to that. You can get an imitation of Hagoromo's power by combining Indra and Ashura's powers, but getting the power from Hagoromo himself is far superior.
Sasuke lacks Naruto's powers to make up for the half of Hagoromo's base
Why would he need Naruto's powers? Naruto's power is the Bijuu, and he has them. Recall that all the power in the Naruto verse originates from the Shinju, which is the Juubi, which is the Bijuu.
and he lacks double true Rinnegan to use closest powers to Hagoromo.
Sasuke stated his chidori had sage chakra in it as well. But either way limbo are avoided by flying susanoo and madara gets wrecked by lighting arrow spam.
''Sage'' Chakra is a reference to Hagoromo's Chakra, because only his Chakra can do effect to Limbo. [
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The fact Kurama said Naruto resembles Rikudou, when in actuality resembles Ashura, is a proof the former has no idea of Rikudou's sons.
I wouldn't completely agree to that. You can get an imitation of Hagoromo's power by combining Indra and Ashura's powers, but getting the power from Hagoromo himself is far superior.
No, not like that. If Indra's and Ashura's powers adapt in years, they can get close enough to Hagoromo's power. When Madara took Ashura's Chakra, he was still young. And when he awoke the Rinnegan, he was very old. Compare the time-span between the two events, Indra's & Ashura's Chakra would adapt in nature and gets close to Hagoromo's. That's how his Rinnegan is awakened. What are you even referring to superior from himself? Combining the powers of Indra and Ashura gives you the exact powers of Hagoromo. It's no different.
Why would he need Naruto's powers? Naruto's power is the Bijuu, and he has them. Recall that all the power in the Naruto verse originates from the Shinju, which is the Juubi, which is the Bijuu.
No, it's not. If it were, why would his cloak be classified as different element than Bijuu? Naruto has power of Senjutsu of 6 Paths. If Naruto gets that, he gets an equal power to Madara. [
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You saying his Rinnegan isn't "true"? Why would he need double, anyway? Even the Juubi/Shinju didn't have double.
Sasuke's Rinnegan is a result of Hagoromo's Yin power. Yin power is Indra's Chakra, and in conjunction with Ashura's Chakra, you bring out Hagoromo's Rinnegan:
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Without Naruto's Chakra, logically his Rinnegan would be inferior.
I don't remember Hagoromo ever stating Madara was close to his level of power. The term "power" itself is too broad. Nagato and Hagoromo had the same "power" (Chibaku Tensei) but Hagoromo's had more "power" (moon-level).
by feats both Sasuke and Naruto would win
Madara got 1 shotted by BZ right after he casted IT xD
by portrayal Madara would win. c'mon, do you guys even realise what they both have!?
Sasuke doesn't have senjutsu, RM, gudoudamas, staff, nothing of that... he's not even a pseudo Jin FFS.
Madara would negate any of his attacks with gudoudamas, he's also faster - minus the teleport. he also got more chakra... Sasuke didn't became a Jink. he fused the chakra with the PS.
STOP GIVING MADARA FANFICTION ABILITIES! Let's make several things clear. Madara has no PS feats, and is never implied to have it. It may be something unique to Sasuke. Madara has no BM either. This is also fanfiction. Obito never had this power. Again, nothing implies this. This is fanboys are giving Madara abilities out of nowhere.
As for the rinnegan abilities, it's not enough to beat Sasuke. Deva path is the strongest path. Planetary devastation is the strongest use of deva path (as it was used against 6 tails Naruto when Deva Path was failing). Madara used planetary devastation, and last time I checked, Naruto and Sasuke countered it. It might be possible that Madara could make a combined big one, but now, Sasuke is far, far stronger than he or Naruto were in that fight. The idea that Madara can pull a win is laughable.
"Manga portrays him as superior" my but! This is fanboy bias being projected as a false statement about the manga.
STOP GIVING MADARA FANFICTION ABILITIES! Let's make several things clear. Madara has no PS feats, and is never implied to have it. It may be something unique to Sasuke. Madara has no BM either. This is also fanfiction. Obito never had this power. Again, nothing implies this. This is fanboys are giving Madara abilities out of nowhere.
As for the rinnegan abilities, it's not enough to beat Sasuke. Deva path is the strongest path. Planetary devastation is the strongest use of deva path (as it was used against 6 tails Naruto when Deva Path was failing). Madara used planetary devastation, and last time I checked, Naruto and Sasuke countered it. It might be possible that Madara could make a combined big one, but now, Sasuke is far, far stronger than he or Naruto were in that fight. The idea that Madara can pull a win is laughable.
"Manga portrays him as superior" my but! This is fanboy bias being projected as a false statement about the manga.
^ This chapter established that Madara gets pooped on going by feats and hype.
-Hyped to be on Hagoromo's level. Hagoromo>Madara.
-His PS>Madara's PS. Madara has a nigh insignificant portion of Hagoromo's chakra and Rikudo Senjutsu powering his Susanoo. Sasuke literally took the 9 Bijuu's chakra and fused it with his Susanoo, and he has half of Hagoromo's chakra, all of his Yin Chakra. So his boost>>>Madara's boost.
Madara having the Bijuu means nothing since the Bijuu's chakra have nothing to do with his Susanoo. Just his Rikudo Senjutsu.
What the heck is PIS/CIS? Plot induced stupidity? You're right, it's not debatable. He flat-out does not have it. Show me one panel of Madara having a susanoo as the juubi jinchuriki, then we'll talk. Your entire argument is based around vagueness. Anybody can make a vague scaling make a character sound unbeatable. Sasuke's hype is based on cold-hard facts.
Here's a run-down. Madara has rinnegans. Sasuke has a special rinnegan. Madara has the full chakra of 1-8 tails and has half of the 9 tails. Sasuke has the full chakra of 1-8 tails and half the 9 tails. Sasuke's powers have to at least equal Madara's. Since Sasuke has feats that blow Madara's out of the water, he wins by default. Sasuke has both powers.
You can't just give dojutsu powers to juubi jins without proof. They could easily be restricted.
^ This chapter established that Madara gets pooped on going by feats and hype.
-Hyped to be on Hagoromo's level. Hagoromo>Madara.
-His PS>Madara's PS. Madara has a nigh insignificant portion of Hagoromo's chakra and Rikudo Senjutsu powering his Susanoo. Sasuke literally took the 9 Bijuu's chakra and fused it with his Susanoo, and he has half of Hagoromo's chakra, all of his Yin Chakra. So his boost>>>Madara's boost.
Madara having the Bijuu means nothing since the Bijuu's chakra have nothing to do with his Susanoo. Just his Rikudo Senjutsu.
I agree that Madara gets shitted on by feats, otherwise he doesn't. We'll just have to agree to disagree, the main reason I replied to Sennin of Logic was because he stated Madara doesn't have PS, which is just ridiculous.
What the heck is PIS/CIS? Plot induced stupidity? You're right, it's not debatable. He flat-out does not have it. Show me one panel of Madara having a susanoo as the juubi jinchuriki, then we'll talk. Your entire argument is based around vagueness. Anybody can make a vague scaling make a character sound unbeatable. Sasuke's hype is based on cold-hard facts.
Here's a run-down. Madara has rinnegans. Sasuke has a special rinnegan. Madara has the full chakra of 1-8 tails and has half of the 9 tails. Sasuke has the full chakra of 1-8 tails and half the 9 tails. Sasuke's powers have to at least equal Madara's. Since Sasuke has feats that blow Madara's out of the water, he wins by default. Sasuke has both powers.
You can't just give dojutsu powers to juubi jins without proof. They could easily be restricted.
