Current Naruto in SM vs Current Sasuke with MS.

[Strict]

I mean, Naruto can create a ridiculous amount of clones [

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Kimimaro solo'd a bunch of them in their Kyuubi Chakra cloak with mere Taijutsu.
A huge Chakra entity like Susanoo is, would wipe those clones out with a swing of its huge sword.

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Already the ribcage of Susanoo proved to withstand a Chou Oodama Rasengan without effort and also, although it was Madara's huge Susanoo, parried Kyuubi's Bijuudama. Itachi's Susanoo protected him from a mountain busting flash, so what you try to prove is from the beginning overestimation.

Blaze Release Magatama's will one shot his summons and even if Naruto's sense of danger is matured, he still hasn't the speed to dodge Amaterasu and warned Bee in his KCM, though his sense of danger is supposed to be great as well in this mode, from being one shotted by Itachi's Amaterasu and was overwhelmed by Itachi's actual usage. Though his Shunshin should be sufficient for dodging, he kept his place and wondered why Itachi missed him.

The frog song generally needs time and is predictable; Nagato also noticed it before [

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] but then was played off by Jiraiya himself and then caught off guard. [

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] Against someone who insists on spamming Mangekyo techniques (against Danzo for 10 minutes and even later against his former team), one would be pretty fast overwhelmed. After all it had a reason why Raikage A used his maximum speed to avoid Amaterasu. One can always react at Amaterasu through eye contact but mostly lacks the speed to dodge. To be exact, one have to escape the Sharingan's sight that is enhanced with insight abilities in order to dodge Amaterasu, which however only excepts to aim at the target with a technique that doesn't travel but ignites before it. How fast Amaterasu can be cast was perfectly illustrated when Sasuke cast it directly before Kabuto's feet to stop him, where it appeared instantly without latter reacting at it despite possessing great sensory skills. [

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] The middle panel shows how Kabuto braked when Sasuke already expanded the flame to a large ring. So, if Sasuke was about to kill him at this moment, he might have aimed for Kabuto's body.

 

[AGoodBoy]

Sasuke has MS, not EMS, so he isn't spamming Susanoo and Enton/Amaterasu.

Susanoo won't tank something like this:

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I'm actually starting to think I made it too easy for Naruto.

yes he is... He spammed it against danzo. Wtf have you been reading. Naruto gets killed along with his toads. Susano'o tanks all that shit rasengan effortlessly.

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The guy can clearly spam his MS. amaterasu, MS genjutsu, Susano, sasano, susano, 3x susano'o arrows.

1 Amaterasu burns all naruto's summonings.
1 swipe of amaterasu bursts all his clones.
He then uses amaterasu on the real naruto and wins. Or he uses enton arrow.
Naruto's not getting past susano'o with rasenshuriken. Danzou could only create a gap in it with high level boosted fuuton.

 

[DemonicAvenger]

Tie or Naruto Wins

MS Sasuke can't spam Ama like people believe

 

[Optimistic]

Amaterasu can hit Sm Naruto regardless of his sensing abilities, also his enton control is up to scratch so he can spread around to any clone/summoning Naruto does.

 

[pateuvasiliu]

yes he is... He spammed it against danzo. Wtf have you been reading. Naruto gets killed along with his toads. Susano'o tanks all that shit rasengan effortlessly.

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The guy can clearly spam his MS. amaterasu, MS genjutsu, Susano, sasano, susano, 3x susano'o arrows.

1 Amaterasu burns all naruto's summonings.
1 swipe of amaterasu bursts all his clones.
He then uses amaterasu on the real naruto and wins. Or he uses enton arrow.
Naruto's not getting past susano'o with rasenshuriken. Danzou could only create a gap in it with high level boosted fuuton.

Lmao @ you thinking Danzo's crappy Rank C fuutons are anywhere near Rasenshuriken.

Madara's susanoo ( NOTE - MADARA'S NOT FKING SASUKE'S ) blocked -1- rasengan. Naruto creates a barrage of over 20.

Also lmao @ Susanoo tanking that barrage when even Kurama was toppled over.

What's next, you're going to tell me Susanoo is more durable than Kurama?

 

[Unorthodox]

Sasuke has MS, not EMS, so he isn't spamming Susanoo and Enton/Amaterasu.

Susanoo won't tank something like this:

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I'm actually starting to think I made it too easy for Naruto.

naruto used 1 of those against a ribcage it did nothing

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thats about 20 there arnt even putting a scratch on this form of susanoo

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as you can see he has the amaterasu magatama in his hands so clones are easily one shotted

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[Professor Finesser]

Kirin would be able to take care of the boss toads imo but it could go either way

 

[SasoriOfTheRedSaand]

Kimimaro solo'd a bunch of them in their Kyuubi Chakra cloak with mere Taijutsu.
A huge Chakra entity like Susanoo is, would wipe those clones out with a swing of its huge sword.

It doesn't sound like you were talking to me, so I'll address the part you quoted me on.

Impressive, but I doubt a 12 year old Naruto and his Kyuubi cloaked clones can par his SM clones. Not even close, actually.

Maybe that'd work after the first wave, but Naruto can spam Kage Bunshin. Naruto suffers no drawbacks here, Sasuke does. He won't be able to hold Susano'o long enough to kill the real Naruto.

 

[Strict]

It doesn't sound like you were talking to me, so I'll address the part you quoted me on.

Impressive, but I doubt a 12 year old Naruto and his Kyuubi cloaked clones can par his SM clones. Not even close, actually.

Maybe that'd work after the first wave, but Naruto can spam Kage Bunshin. Naruto suffers no drawbacks here, Sasuke does. He won't be able to hold Susano'o long enough to kill the real Naruto.

Kagebunshin stay Kagebunshin and we learned from various fights that a trick doesn't work twice and will not be used again if it was completely useless before. Creating such a mass of Kagebunshin have its Chakra costs too, and using the strategy you talk about on such an extent though it has no effect is a fail strategy. Or wouldn't it be a far easier fight against Pain if Naruto created his 1000 Kagebunshin [

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] to overwhelm the paths, especially when Animal-Path was killed who backed themselves up with summons. A fool would believe that Tendo without his powers, Gakido, Ningendo and Jigokudo wouldn't get overwhelmed by this alleged tactic if Naruto could keep on spamming his Kagebunshins.

As Sasuke had enough powers to fight Danzo for more than 10 minutes, plus fighting his former team mates after though his Mangekyo already taxing drawbacks, I could insist on him spamming dozens of Amaterasu Magatama's, setting the whole battlefield on fire with Enton (the spread of the flames with Blaze Release isn't as taxing as creating a flame again and again with the eye ) and using Kirin. There are certain scenarios that aren't supposed to be realistic.

 

[SasoriOfTheRedSaand]

Kagebunshin stay Kagebunshin and we learned from various fights that a trick doesn't work twice and will not be used again if it was completely useless before. Creating such a mass of Kagebunshin have its Chakra costs too, and using the strategy you talk about on such an extent though it has no effect is a fail strategy. Or wouldn't it be a far easier fight against Pain if Naruto created his 1000 Kagebunshin [

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] to overwhelm the paths, especially when Animal-Path was killed who backed themselves up with summons. A fool would believe that Tendo without his powers, Gakido, Ningendo and Jigokudo wouldn't get overwhelmed by this alleged tactic if Naruto could keep on spamming his Kagebunshins.

As Sasuke had enough powers to fight Danzo for more than 10 minutes, plus fighting his former team mates after though his Mangekyo already taxing drawbacks, I could insist on him spamming dozens of Amaterasu Magatama's, igniting the whole battlefield and using Kirin. There are certain scenarios that aren't supposed to be realistic.

I'm assuming Naruto didn't make his "1000" clones against Pain because he required pre existing clones at Mount Myoboku. If you remember, Pain remarked that every time Naruto used Rasenshuriken, his power dropped drastically. Why? Because by losing an amount of chakra that large, he wouldn't be able to sustain Sage mode [

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]. So essentially, the more chakra he used, the quicker SM runs out, which is the most probable reason as to why he didn't spam clones, which take up a lot of chakra. Naruto no longer faces this problem, as he is able to enter SM by himself, so he can pretty much do whatever the hell he wants. Not to mention, Naruto has the Kyuubi's chakra aiding him. Naruto, with his Uzumaki chakra pool, combined with Kurama's chakra, should surely allow Naruto to produce as many clones as he pleases. This is current Naruto, who now has complete access to Kurama's chakra.

If Naruto knows how dangerous Sasuke is, and the only way to actually bypass his defense and/or tire him out, why wouldn't he spam clones? He's spammed clones enough times in the past, and if its the only way to get Sasuke to tire out to remove Susano'o, I see no reason as to why he wouldn't do it.

 

[Strict]

I'm assuming Naruto didn't make his "1000" clones against Pain because he required pre existing clones at Mount Myoboku. If you remember, Pain remarked that every time Naruto used Rasenshuriken, his power dropped drastically. Why? Because by losing an amount of chakra that large, he wouldn't be able to sustain Sage mode [

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]. So essentially, the more chakra he used, the quicker SM runs out, which is the most probable reason as to why he didn't spam clones, which take up a lot of chakra. Naruto no longer faces this problem, as he is able to enter SM by himself, so he can pretty much do whatever the hell he wants. Not to mention, Naruto has the Kyuubi's chakra aiding him. Naruto, with his Uzumaki chakra pool, combined with Kurama's chakra, should surely allow Naruto to produce as many clones as he pleases. This is current Naruto, who now has complete access to Kurama's chakra.

If Naruto knows how dangerous Sasuke is, and the only way to actually bypass his defense and/or tire him out, why wouldn't he spam clones? He's spammed clones enough times in the past, and if its the only way to get Sasuke to tire out to remove Susano'o, I see no reason as to why he wouldn't do it.

OP says Naruto can't use Kurama's Chakra and the Sage Mode is not for eternity. His nature Chakra has run out once against Pain and his clones at Myoboku were used, too. There's no reason why he shouldn't have used his thousand clones at every time if it was useful enough to kill 4 paths without a markable defense. When against Madara, he however made use of a large portion of Kurama's Chakra to stop Madara's Mokuton technique with a Rasengan barrage and was then already exhausted. Here however, Kurama's Chakra is restricted. It is Naruto with the power of the Sage Mode.

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At this time, Naruto already mastered the Sage Mode and could enter it by himself. [

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MS Sasuke is a level above SM Naruto.

 

[pateuvasiliu]

OP says Naruto can't use Kurama's Chakra and the Sage Mode is not for eternity. His nature Chakra has run out once against Pain and his clones at Myoboku were used, too. There's no reason why he shouldn't have used his thousand clones at every time if it was useful enough to kill 4 paths without a markable defense. When against Madara, he however made use of a large portion of Kurama's Chakra to stop Madara's Mokuton technique with a Rasengan barrage and was then already exhausted. Here however, Kurama's Chakra is restricted. It is Naruto with the power of the Sage Mode.

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At this time, Naruto already mastered the Sage Mode and could enter it by himself. [

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MS Sasuke is a level above SM Naruto.

Will you people cease with that retarded manga scan?

SM Naruto never saw MS Sasuke in action. How would he know how strong Sasuke is?

Yes, they clashed and Sasuke's Chidori was equal to Rasengan, but it's not like that's what decides a fight.

Get it out of your head that scans like those, which make no sense, bear any relevance. Nagato said Jiraiya would have beaten him with intel and that's ridiculous.

 

[AGoodBoy]

I'm assuming Naruto didn't make his "1000" clones against Pain because he required pre existing clones at Mount Myoboku. If you remember, Pain remarked that every time Naruto used Rasenshuriken, his power dropped drastically. Why? Because by losing an amount of chakra that large, he wouldn't be able to sustain Sage mode [

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]. So essentially, the more chakra he used, the quicker SM runs out, which is the most probable reason as to why he didn't spam clones, which take up a lot of chakra. Naruto no longer faces this problem, as he is able to enter SM by himself, so he can pretty much do whatever the hell he wants. Not to mention, Naruto has the Kyuubi's chakra aiding him. Naruto, with his Uzumaki chakra pool, combined with Kurama's chakra, should surely allow Naruto to produce as many clones as he pleases. This is current Naruto, who now has complete access to Kurama's chakra.

If Naruto knows how dangerous Sasuke is, and the only way to actually bypass his defense and/or tire him out, why wouldn't he spam clones? He's spammed clones enough times in the past, and if its the only way to get Sasuke to tire out to remove Susano'o, I see no reason as to why he wouldn't do it.

1000. 2000. 10000. 10000000 shadow clones make no difference. If 1 can't break susano'o. 10000000 can't; they'd still have the combined power of 1.

Chakra is split evenly among shadow clones. 1000 shadow clone each have 1/1000 the power of naruto. Still not breaking susano'o if naruto can't break susano'o

 

[pateuvasiliu]

1000. 2000. 10000. 10000000 shadow clones make no difference. If 1 can't break susano'o. 10000000 can't; they'd still have the combined power of 1.

Chakra is split evenly among shadow clones. 1000 shadow clone each have 1/1000 the power of naruto. Still not breaking susano'o if naruto can't break susano'o

But Naruto can break Susanoo.

 

[AGoodBoy]

Will you people cease with that retarded manga scan?

SM Naruto never saw MS Sasuke in action. How would he know how strong Sasuke is?

Yes, they clashed and Sasuke's Chidori was equal to Rasengan, but it's not like that's what decides a fight.

Get it out of your head that scans like those, which make no sense, bear any relevance. Nagato said Jiraiya would have beaten him with intel and that's ridiculous.

yet you and other purport that scan of zetsu saying Naruto > Sasuke is fact? Hypocrisy!

 

[pateuvasiliu]

yet you and other purport that scan of zetsu saying Naruto > Sasuke is fact? Hypocrisy!

Not at all. I say Naruto beats Sasuke based on feats and abilities, not scans.

 

[AGoodBoy]

But Naruto can break Susanoo.

with what? His ass muscles?

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[Strict]

Will you people cease with that retarded manga scan?

SM Naruto never saw MS Sasuke in action. How would he know how strong Sasuke is?

Reread that Manga chapter and try to understand why Naruto felt that he's inferior to Sasuke.
If two Shinobi of similar level are going to clash, they can read the mind of the other for a short moment, see what the other feels and decide how strong he actually is. This clash of Naruto's and Sasuke's attack was by far more than one physical strike, it was symbolical and for this moment, they read the soul of each other.

Just think out of the box sometime, people!

Naruto admitted inferiority to MS Sasuke. Sasuke is stronger.

 

[Optimistic]

Amaterasu one shots Naruto regardless if he can sense it or not.I can't believe people are disagreeing with Ms Sasuke > Sm Naruto.

 

[pateuvasiliu]

Amaterasu one shots Naruto regardless if he can sense it or not.I can't believe people are disagreeing with Ms Sasuke > Sm Naruto.

Show me a picture of Amaterasu hitting a moving target faster than SM Naruto please.