Current Kakashi vs Hebi Sasuke

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Troublesome, but not a huge problem.


Well she did, I'd consider reading the chapter again =p


Kamui would seal the win for him. However we all know he's much more than just Kamui.


First of all, even if you have knowledge on Kamui doesn;t mean you can always counter it. Second of all.

Now you could argue that when he used it on Deidara, he "missed" and only got Deidara's arm. However, the only reason he missed was stated blatantly by Kakashi himself. He was unable to control the size and location of the barrier limiting the area of the jutsu.

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Since that time, Kakashi no longer has that problem. Kakashi is no longer hindered by these things. He was able to activate his MS instantaneously to blast away the Susano'o arrow sent at him by Sasuke, that too at very close range. That clearly shows his ability to warp things near instantly. Let's not forget that this is the same arrow which caught Danzo, too and would've killed him had he not had Izanagi, which effectively kept him immortal.


Also, also, he warped away a missile sent at Choji by Asura Path, when he was himself half buried in rubble. That tells you about his focus and accuracy with Kamui, getting a moving projectile so perfectly when he was at the verge of death himself.

In other words, Hebi Sasuke has no chance to dodge Kamui.


Doesn't matter. Kakashi has a brain comparable to that of Shikimaru;s, so hebi Sasuke aint going to outsmart him anytime soon. I'd also like to point out Itachi let Sasuke achieve a lot of them feats.



No I don't. If you aint a skilled sharingan user you aint going to be awakening the MS. Only the most talented of Uchiha manage to do such a thing.

Just because you doubt something doesn't mean he can;t.


I hope you realise Itachi let him win. Also, there is nothing to suggest current Kakashi can't do that now (now that he has MS) he should have a stronger resistance to it.

But since you're using points like that....

Deidara has experience in fighting high level Sharingan users. He immediately acknowledged that Kakashi is using an advanced Doujutsu comparable to Itachi's..

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Kakashi absorbed Deidara's explosion (something which would have destroyed the entire forest)

etc etc you get the idea

To awaken the MS despite being an Uchiha is remarkable. Now before you decide to shrug it off and say "of thats ms not sharingan" I'd like to point out Kamui IS a sharingan teq.

So you saying Hebi Sasuke is a better sharingan user than Kakashi is baseless. Kakashi has MS. Hebi Sasuke doesn;t.

Now maybe if you said better sharingan user excluding MS moves you might have a case.

Kakashi takes this

*Sigh* not good enough, again there is a difference between the ms and the sharigan and sasuke's feats with the shairgan is far superior to kakashi's that should be clear by now, whether you accept it or not and ive given you enough of his feats. Majority of the things sasuke has done with the shairgan, kakashi cannot do. Clear who the better sharigan user is.

Anyway the awakening of the ms has nothing to do with skill. Im nost sure why people keep on saying this nonsense when its already been said that its all about sacrifice, somebody close to you has to die. Whether obito's death kept on traumatising kakashi enough to finally activate his ms is unknown but it has nothing to do with being skilled with the shairgan and everything to do with somebody close to you dying.

Ive already noted kamui as the only thing stopping sasuke from a win, but since the op said they know of each others abilities sasuke could come up with a counter. First way to counter hide in manda and if needed reverse summon like he did against deidora. Thats one way to evade kamui, if kakashi was to use it, its manda that would suffer. Another way is to use body shedding technique meaning if sasuke can use it before kamui hits, kakashi would teleports sasuke's shed skin and not sasuke himself. Similar to how amaterasu got his shedded skin and not him. Another way is the distance between him and kakashi, there is a distance where it would be very hard for kakashi to fully focus and kamui properly.

Finally you seem to forget hebi intelligence feats therefore ill remind you.
He figured out the where the mines are. Came up with theory that some bombs detonate and others dont. Figured out that deidora was out of range of c4. Knew c4's weakness and countered it. Came up with a back up plan in case his original plan didnt doesnt work. Evaded c0 by reverse summoning. He drew itachi out and used his technique amaterasu against him. Reversed oro's technique and used it against him. Sasuke with knowledge of kamui shouldnt be a problem

 

[BlackDude]

annoying how people say Kamui would beat some1 with ease but Kakashi hasnt defeated any1 with Kamui

 

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May i also remind you that deidora does not know all of itachi's doujutsu prowess to validate his opinion when he compared kakashi's kamui to itachi doujutsu prowess, he simply got beat by a simple sharigan genjutsu. He wasnt worthy of seeing tsukuyomi amaterasu or susano. Talking about itachi's doujutsu and deidora's statement do you know what makes it invalid and holds little substance when he compared it with kakashi's?.

Diedora was said to train his eyes to counter shairgan genjutsu, after what itachi did to him. But you see, if he truly knew of itachi's doujutsu he'd know that no matter how much he trained his eyes to resist shairgan genjutsu, tsukuyomi would mind rape him. That alone should tell you that deidora had no idea what he was saying when he compared kakashi's doujutsu prowess to itachi's

 

[EliteKakashi]

annoying how people say Kamui would beat some1 with ease but Kakashi hasnt defeated any1 with Kamui

Plot no jutsu is the only reason he hasn't. It's quite obvious that he could kill just about anyone with it if he wanted to(with his current mastery of it), Tobi being an exception of course.

I think Kishi gave him the technique for the sole reason Kakashi never did anything/had any technique to actually live up to his reputation as one of the most feared ninjas ever in part 1. I mean yeah, he was pretty strong, but he wasn't even Konoha's best jounin at the time, that title belonged to Gai.

Giving him kamui gave him that one "ace in the hole" technique that every other elite ninja in this series has.

 

[DhattUchiha]

Are you guys forgetting Sasuke can use Karin

 

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*Sigh* not good enough, again there is a difference between the ms and the sharigan and sasuke's feats with the shairgan is far superior to kakashi's that should be clear by now, whether you accept it or not and ive given you enough of his feats. Majority of the things sasuke has done with the shairgan, kakashi cannot do. Clear who the better sharigan user is.

Anyway the awakening of the ms has nothing to do with skill. Im nost sure why people keep on saying this nonsense when its already been said that its all about sacrifice, somebody close to you has to die. Whether obito's death kept on traumatising kakashi enough to finally activate his ms is unknown but it has nothing to do with being skilled with the shairgan and everything to do with somebody close to you dying.

Ive already noted kamui as the only thing stopping sasuke from a win, but since the op said they know of each others abilities sasuke could come up with a counter. First way to counter hide in manda and if needed reverse summon like he did against deidora. Thats one way to evade kamui, if kakashi was to use it, its manda that would suffer. Another way is to use body shedding technique meaning if sasuke can use it before kamui hits, kakashi would teleports sasuke's shed skin and not sasuke himself. Similar to how amaterasu got his shedded skin and not him. Another way is the distance between him and kakashi, there is a distance where it would be very hard for kakashi to fully focus and kamui properly.

Finally you seem to forget hebi intelligence feats therefore ill remind you.
He figured out the where the mines are. Came up with theory that some bombs detonate and others dont. Figured out that deidora was out of range of c4. Knew c4's weakness and countered it. Came up with a back up plan in case his original plan didnt doesnt work. Evaded c0 by reverse summoning. He drew itachi out and used his technique amaterasu against him. Reversed oro's technique and used it against him. Sasuke with knowledge of kamui shouldnt be a problem

No you haven't proved anything. You disregard Kamui even though it is a SHARINGAN teq. So saying Hebi Sasuke is a better sharingan user than current Kakashi is baseless. You aint taking MS into consideration.

Awakening MS has nothing to do with skilll? Are you kidding me...I'm not going to bother refuting all your points since you don't seem to listen. However I'll reply to this intelligence BS

Sasuke did that to Deidara? Ok? What is this supposed to prove?

Kakashi figured out the 5 second cool down while fighitng the two most powerful Pain bodies.

Kakashi has a brain comparable to that of SHIKIMARU'S
Kakashi has outsmarted the likes of Pain/Itachi etc


Kakashi has a 5 intelligence in every databook
Sasuke doesn't even have 4.

There are many more examples but i'm sure you get the idea by now.

And Kamui is not the only thing...

Sasuke might very wel falll for a raiton bunshun feint. Get paralyzed then destroyed by a Raikiri to the skull.

Even the likes of Itachi/Pain have fallen for Kakashi's bunshin feints. Those fighters are superior to Hebi Sasuke.

 

[JirayiaRIPforever]

Sasuke, He had the most deadly mindset of anyone at this short time period

 

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annoying how people say Kamui would beat some1 with ease but Kakashi hasnt defeated any1 with Kamui

lol .

 

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Sasuke, He had the most deadly mindset of anyone at this short time period

Wow, fantastic reasoning. Does this also mean Hebi Sasuke can beat Minato? Smh.

 

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No you haven't proved anything. You disregard Kamui even though it is a SHARINGAN teq. So saying Hebi Sasuke is a better sharingan user than current Kakashi is baseless. You aint taking MS into consideration.

Awakening MS has nothing to do with skilll? Are you kidding me...I'm not going to bother refuting all your points since you don't seem to listen. However I'll reply to this intelligence BS

Sasuke did that to Deidara? Ok? What is this supposed to prove?

Kakashi figured out the 5 second cool down while fighitng the two most powerful Pain bodies.

Kakashi has a brain comparable to that of SHIKIMARU'S
Kakashi has outsmarted the likes of Pain/Itachi etc


Kakashi has a 5 intelligence in every databook
Sasuke doesn't even have 4.

There are many more examples but i'm sure you get the idea by now.

And Kamui is not the only thing...

Sasuke might very wel falll for a raiton bunshun feint. Get paralyzed then destroyed by a Raikiri to the skull.

Even the likes of Itachi/Pain have fallen for Kakashi's bunshin feints. Those fighters are superior to Hebi Sasuke.

Again what do you know understand. There is a difference between the ms and the shairgan regardless overall even with kamui, sasuke is the better shairgan user and has feats that outmatches kakashi even with his ms, anyway moving on from this since its pretty clear who the better shairgan user is.

Its already been stated how you can awaken the ms, it has nothing to do with skill. Skill comes into effect in using it, but awakening it has nothing to do with skill.

Intelligence its true kakashi has a higher stat in the databook, but intelligence can also be experience and this is what kakashi has over sasuke. Now that we have gotten past ways in which sasuke can overcome kamui what else has kakashi has to offer?.

You do know that sasuke being a raiton user wouldnt get paralysed by a raiton bunshin right?
We saw how a raiton attack had little effect on him;

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A raiton clone isnt paralysing him. If we add the fact that sasuke weapon usage has greatly increased wit his use of shuriken, windmill infused with lightning, kusanagi sword in which he can ran lightning through it, genjutsu prowess, defence in chidori nagashi, summonings, ariel offence and chakra boost in cm2 its clear who the winner is

 

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Hebi Sasuke seemed pretty analytical to me. I give you that Kakashi may have the advantage in skill, but that isn't enough. Kakashi may be more skilled, but Sasuke is much faster, much stronger and much more durable, can last longer, and has a boss summon. Skill alone can't make up for all that.

Sasuke's not stupid. If he feels that he's in a bad position,and won't win, he will summon Manda. And then Kakashi gets his ass kicked.

By the way, Kakashi can't kill Sasuke, who can utilize Orochimaru's Oral Rebirth, is far more durable, much faster, much stronger and who also has some degree of flight abilities. Kakashi's Ninjutsu skills are 'among the best', but so are Sasuke's.

Unlike Pain and Itachi, Sasuke will not be holding back against Kakashi. Sasuke's Sharingan can see the color of chakra and determine its element - that can help him decipher Kakashi's Raiton clones from the real one. There is virtually no way the Copy Nin can win this.

Sasuke ftw

 

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You call THIS a comparisation?
Current Kakashi > mangekyou Sasuke as well, the only reason he did'nt beat tendo pain was because he did'nt just warp his head away ( wich he easily could've, as he has become accurate enough with the technique to warp both a nail and a missile away ).

lol that's stupid. MS Sasuke could easily beat Kakashi with any if his MS techs. He already almost killed him.
Hebi Sasuke will win imo. First off, Sasuke is an Uchiha so he is better accustomed to the sharingan and he already has better stamina to begin with, along with the curse mark boosting his power. Sasuke's intelligence is nothing to brush off either. During his fight with Deidara he was able to figure out the clay was canceled by lightning and played him the entire match and created kirin specifically to counter Itachi's abilities.

 

[JirayiaRIPforever]

Wow, fantastic reasoning. Does this also mean Hebi Sasuke can beat Minato? Smh.

nice logic? Mindset helps in some situations and, if you are really that simple to think i meant he can win cause of his mindset then ill clarify. Hebi sasuke had The curse mark, and snake summons, he was willing to sacrifice anything to achieve his goals and in my opinion his sharingan was sharper back then,