Current Kakashi and Darui vs Kakuzu and Hidan

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Current Kakashi is faster than the Kakashi Kakuzu/Hidan combo faced. What he lacks is the sharingan precognition though, but he already has full knowledge on the duo on the contrary of last time. Lightning is Kakuzu's weakness and they have to pay attention in the fact Hidan can wound them for the ritual. Either Kakashi or Darui should defeat Hidan the time the other make Kakuzu busy. When they finish off Hidan, they combo Kakuzu with long range lightning attacks to finish him
 

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Because you are using ABC logic to state he is V1 Ay fast. To which I will also use ABC logic. Cee stated team Taka can keep up with V1 Ay, which they literally were. Kakuzu and Hidan are on that speed of Kakashi since they were able to keep up with him with a Sharingan, to which Kakashi speed and reaction is comparable to Sasuke, then.

Darui gets kicked in the chest and goes flying.


He and Ay are in same place, actually hes slightly behind Ay

He and Ay get to the same location at the same time and attack at the same time.

That means he moves as fast as V1 Ay does. There is no debate nor discussion to take place about it. Its a a valid feat where we know where both of them were, the distance they went, and where they ended up.

Kakuzu or Hidan is not faster or even remotely as fast than V1 Ay, there is no debate or discussion about that either. lol Kakuzu and Hidan kept up with a Kakakshi must be a joke. Kakashi wasn't fighting to kill but was following Shikamaru's plan and he was baby sitting Chouji and Ino while doing so, repeatedly saving their asses.

Sasuke didn't keep up with V1 Ay. They clashed one time but thats not keeping up with V1 Ay. They just charged one another head on and would ultimately meet at a point anyway. Does Base Bee charging V2 Ay with their Lariats means he can keep up with V2 Ay all because they clashed? No.

Kakashi is on par with 6th Gate Gai in movement speed and that alone puts him at least a tier or two above Kakuzu and Hidan.

Until you can link the feats of Kakuzu and Hidan that allow them to not get blitzed then it still stands and they both die low difficulty.
 

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He and Ay are in same place, actually hes slightly behind Ay

He and Ay get to the same location at the same time and attack at the same time.

That means he moves as fast as V1 Ay does. There is no debate nor discussion to take place about it. Its a a valid feat where we know where both of them were, the distance they went, and where they ended up.

Again, I dont care how you want to interpret it as it even supports my claims

Kakuzu or Hidan is not faster or even remotely as fast than V1 Ay, there is no debate or discussion about that either.

Except I never made that claim. I said their speed and reaction are able to keep up with it.

lol Kakuzu and Hidan kept up with a Kakakshi must be a joke. Kakashi wasn't fighting to kill but was following Shikamaru's plan and he was baby sitting Chouji and Ino while doing so, repeatedly saving their asses.

Except I'm going to go with the manga and say he was going for the kill, as he canonically killed Kakuzu[ ] and tells Hidan he is next[ ] so denying the point will just make me ignore you for being hard headed, since I know you aren't going to concede. @Bold Except that claim is coming straight from your ass, since he only saved them once the rest of the time Kakuzu had focused on Kakashi. So in the end you didn't prove anything


Sasuke didn't keep up with V1 Ay. They clashed one time but thats not keeping up with V1 Ay. They just charged one another head on and would ultimately meet at a point anyway. Does Base Bee charging V2 Ay with their Lariats means he can keep up with V2 Ay all because they clashed? No.

Doesnt matter how you want to nit pick scenarios it doesn't change the fact to what Cee said. And not only Sasuke but Team Taka in general. Team Take speed and reaction were able to keep up from getting blitz constantly from Ay or "Darui"[ ]. Suigetsu was keeping up with Darui until he got distracted. Case and Point.

Kakashi is on par with 6th Gate Gai in movement speed and that alone puts him at least a tier or two above Kakuzu and Hidan.

Its funny how you want to nit pick scenarios to prove your point but make up excuses with the scans proving my point. Buts thats ok since its only supporting me.

Until you can link the feats of Kakuzu and Hidan that allow them to not get blitzed then it still stands and they both die low difficulty.

Sure. Kakuzu was able to revive from Kakashi's Raikiri, gets up and blitz Sharingan Kakashi in mid blitzing Hidan[ ]. Case and point.
Hidan has already shown to put Kakashi on his toes, showing that he was swaying away from getting cut[ > ]. Case and Point. So I guess Zombie does have " 6th Gate Gai in movement speed" according to your comparison Lol
 

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Kakuzu and Hidan wins this.

Kakashi without his sharingan won't be able to predict Hidan's movements very well so he'll slip up and get cut sooner or later... Kakuzu overwhelms Darui through wins and fire combo's.​
 

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But that doesn't mean his taijutsu is overall the worst. Otherwise he would've stated it bluntly: "My taijutsu is the worst in the Akatsuki".

That wouldn't even make practical sense. I mean, he's the only Akatsuki member who's strictly limited to CQC, while the great majority relies mostly in their range. It wouldn't make sense for the only CQC oriented member to be less competent in his primary area than the rest who rarely engaged in close combat.

Furthermore, the databook made it very clear where his taijutsu stands compared to other Akatsuki members. While he's got a 4.5, Kakuzu has a 4, Deidara a 3.5, Sasori a 4 and if you want to count him, Oro has a 3.5.

It kinda does. Taijutsu is simple cqc consisting of attack speed and technique for him to be the worst in both means he is the worst taijutsu user. Plain and simple.
 

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Kakuzu and Hidan wins this.

Kakashi without his sharingan won't be able to predict Hidan's movements very well so he'll slip up and get cut sooner or later... Kakuzu overwhelms Darui through wins and fire combo's.​

False the duo themselves said he only needed sharingan to see through their dual attack/combos.

Hidan is nowhere near kakashi(or asuma for that matter) in cqc or speed. Kakashi left him in the dust after their dual wind/sythe combo to go protect choji/shikamaru from false darkness. And that was 300 chapters ago.
 

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No it isn't easier as Kakashi canonically was being pressure by these 2 mask anyway, with Sharingan.

@Bold: Good thing Kakuzu is mid range fighter

@Bold is there any evidence to state this?

Kakuzu also uses close combat moves and works with his stretched arms or his threats, which are connected to his body
A raiton clone would still paralyze him when the target is a bit away from the clone
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Kakashi managed to place himself and clones underground even itachi and pain, two dojutsu users wasn't able to recognized it

There will be several openings to hide clones especially when kakuzu shots his ninjutsus which create a dust cloud every time.

Kakashi has improved in speed, the sharingan never gave him food speed,

Kakashi and 6 gate guy running at the same time and attacking at the same time leads me to think his food speed has improved.


Still doesn't say anything when part 1 Sakura was able to do something similar[ ]. This movement is very ninja basic.
The difference between those senarios is that kakashi was in the air falling straight down into lava with his student and his best friend.
1 second before that he had ground under his feats and in an instant he was teleported, still keeping his mind calm and saved himself and the other 2.
Every ninja learn how to aim with kunais, but using it fast in an unormal situation like the lava teleportation is a skill of reaction.

Have you forgotten he has 5 hearts? He can use the featless heart to perform that.
including his own
the heart kakashi destroyed was the doton heart which kakuzu placed underground, kakuzu can place threats under the earth but not every heart of him only the doton heart i think, but it doesn't matter because kakashi can hide clones without kakuzu recognizing like i stated above.

They would all be useless against Kakuzu's ninjutsu barrages.

team 10 had no problems dodging the fire jutsu

in this fight he neednt protect any body he can just dodge the attacks of kakuzu and he will be able to do this even without sharingan.
he managed to get in front of an ash bone of kaguya, which supposed to be very fast, without the sharingan

This proves he is still fast without the sharingan and would be able to dodge the ninjutsus of kakuzu

Kakashi using Bushin isn't going to stop Kakuzu from weaving hand signs. They all can blown away from Kakuzu ninjutsu.

i think it will, when the ration heart is with hidan and the doton heart inside kakuzu to use domu than there are only 2 hearts against kakashi, the fire and the wind heart, with shadow clones kakashi can keep the hearts at bay, while he and another shadow clone fighting with kakuzu holding him from using hand signs or attacking him when he forms hand signs.

Kakuzu's mask were fighting the whole SA so of course the focus wasn't consistent. He is fighting only two characters here so Kakuzu will have them react much better.
Your premise isn't even effective to state he can use ranton and black lightening at the same time.

he will use first black panter against hidan, the panter will distract him and keep him busy, while the ration heart attacks darui.
Darui is to fast for the ration heart and he can dodge every attack of it and will easily form hand signs for ranton missiles.

here you can see that darui is able to use hunderts of ranton missiles + blitzing on of the demon brothers.
Hidan fell for sth similar
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first getting distracted by shadows and than got blitzed by shikamaru.
darui will distract him with the panter and than destroying the heart with the fast and agile missiles
after that he would blitz hidan who is still busy with the black panter.

Again no evidence he can simultaneously do that and you cant distract a Close quarters characters so no distractions. All they do is try to get closer. Hidan, to which I post a scan clashing with futon weapon, can easily sacrifice a basic ninja tool to clash with infuse chakra weapons and then uses his scythe for the opening, just like he did to Asuma in canon.

Darui can also use basic tools to get rid of hidans basic tools to counter the "opening" with the scythe with his ration infused sword.
The rope broke against a explosion tag, so i see no problem in cutting the rope to restrict hidans movements.

Except Kakuzu WIll form hand seals as Kakashi isn't stopping him when he has to worry about Katon and Futton barrages. Too bad Shikamaru never dodged it so therefore your argument holds no water. Are you suggesting that Suigetsu is superior to Asuma in CQC too? Since he was keeping up with Darui in close quarters only to get distracted.

My mistake i thought about the anime where shikamaru dodged it, in manga he didn't so you are right.
Katon and futton barrages are dodged with speed or avoided by going underground, kakuzu won't see anything and kakashi can attack the fused wind and fire heart from behind while an other clone is keeping kakuzu busy coming also from behind or beneath.

Except you ignored my premise that Kakuzu prepares Katon barrage to which these two are force to retreat or they get caught, while its covering hidan, to give him time. Kakuzu will never be busy with them when they go out by one shot. Beast runner isn't a factor. It is very similar to Black panther to which he easily dodges or neglects wit with Futon.

He won't easily dodge the beast runner, which pain had to cancel with shinra tensei because it was to fast.
The dog moves at highspeed and can avoid things by himself because he is connected with kakashis hand who can control it
 
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It kinda does. Taijutsu is simple cqc consisting of attack speed and technique for him to be the worst in both means he is the worst taijutsu user. Plain and simple.

Not necessarily.
He may have the least skill, but that doesn't mean his taijutsu is inferior (looking at the databook stats). He's simply not as skilled as he could be, but that doesn't mean he can't make up for it with his particular style.
 

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Not necessarily.
He may have the least skill, but that doesn't mean his taijutsu is inferior (looking at the databook stats). He's simply not as skilled as he could be, but that doesn't mean he can't make up for it with his particular style.

Srry bruh. Imma hold his admission over dB stats. Either way he's leaps and bounds slower than either darui or kakashi.
 
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