[Discussion] Crocodile and Enel double standards?

[ultraChalk]

I just recently realized this...

In most VS matches, whenever Crocodile is concerned, people always, use the fanmade version of 'TS Croc' who we haven't seen yet, and also always give him haki. Then its assumed that he always wins just because he has haki, disregarding the possibility of his opponents haki being more powerful. Yet, people never mention how he was beat by way, way pregear Luffy and assume nobody else can discover his weakness.

But when it comes to Enel, he always gets the lower end of the stick. People use the original Enel, no 'TS Enel' and he stays with only CoO. People use the excuse of Luffy neg diffing him for him losing all of his matches, disregarding the fact that Luffy was the absolute worst opponent for him. For some reason, people also forget his firepower an strength, and how he was about to destroy an entire country.

Just wanted to point this out, let me know what you think. hmm

 

[U mAd]

well crcoco did manage to go 1 on 1 with both flamingo and mehawk.

 

[Corgi]

Probably because:

1. Croco held his own at MF
2. Enel was kind of a b*tch
3. Croco is more than likely to learn Haki than Enel on the Moon
4. Croco defeated Luffy twice and Luffy only won because of luck, while Luffy was clearly stronger than Enel in terms of combat, speed and defense, while Enel just had a powerful ability

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

Post TS Croc is overrated. Pre TS Enel=Post TS Enel. Enel achieved his dream of going to the moon and has nothing to train for and no one to fight.

 

[KcMSean]

I'd agree with you, but Crocodile was pretty boss at Marineford, so I can understand the expectations. Enel went to the moon we don't know jack about that. They could all be complete fodder there, so how would he learn haki?

 

[ultraChalk]

Probably because:

1. Croco held his own at MF
2. Enel was kind of a b*tch
3. Croco is more than likely to learn Haki than Enel on the Moon
4. Croco defeated Luffy twice and Luffy only won because of luck, while Luffy was clearly stronger than Enel in terms of combat, speed and defense, while Enel just had a powerful ability

That makes it okay to give him imaginary abilities?

 

[Corgi]

Post TS Croc is overrated. Pre TS Enel=Post TS Enel. Enel achieved his dream of going to the moon and has nothing to train for and no one to fight.

Enel had nothing to train for on Skypeia. The fact that he stayed in shape showed that he did train. Look at people who actually slacked off their training, like Moriah. He got all fat and sluggish, while Enel was muscular, had superior strength to musclehead Zoro and could do backflips like no one's business. Enel obviously trained, and there's not much to do on the Moon, it's not like him training is farfetched. Your question wasn't "Why is it okay to assume Croco has new powers", it was why people do it for Croco and not Enel, and that was my answer. A new question doesn't discredit my answer to your previous question.

That makes it okay to give him imaginary abilities?

Imaginary abilities? Like what? The Logia living in the New World isn't gonna bother to learn Haki? Croco not learning Haki is less likely than him learning it.

 

[ultraChalk]

While we're on the subject of giving people abilities, I have a theory to propose about Enel still having opponents.

We already know that he had to clear a crew of pirates on the moon, which pretty much confirmed that at least in OP verse pirates exist everywhere, even in outterspace. And whats a pirate crew without other pirates to duel with? Just a random crew of space goers, and the manga clearly referred to them as pirates.

It's not too far off to predict that Enel has been holding down his planet and still fending it off from other invaders, which would be his practice for haki right there.

 

[Souji]

Enel had nothing to train for on Skypeia. The fact that he stayed in shape showed that he did train. Look at people who actually slacked off their training, like Moriah. He got all fat and sluggish, while Enel was muscular, had superior strength to musclehead Zoro and could do backflips like no one's business. Enel obviously trained, and there's not much to do on the Moon, it's not like him training is farfetched. Your question wasn't "Why is it okay to assume Croco has new powers", it was why people do it for Croco and not Enel, and that was my answer. A new question doesn't discredit my answer to your previous question.



Imaginary abilities? Like what? The Logia living in the New World isn't gonna bother to learn Haki? Croco not learning Haki is less likely than him learning it.

Don't you dislike One Piece? When did you start reading it? Or was that just a troll phase? xD






OT: Assuming both users have Haki, I'd say Enel would edge out Croc. You have to realize in every versus debate that the OP and the audience is going to favor their character, biasing their perceptions. I agree with you though, it does get irritating.

 

[ultraChalk]

Enel had nothing to train for on Skypeia. The fact that he stayed in shape showed that he did train. Look at people who actually slacked off their training, like Moriah. He got all fat and sluggish, while Enel was muscular, had superior strength to musclehead Zoro and could do backflips like no one's business. Enel obviously trained, and there's not much to do on the Moon, it's not like him training is farfetched. Your question wasn't "Why is it okay to assume Croco has new powers", it was why people do it for Croco and not Enel, and that was my answer. A new question doesn't discredit my answer to your previous question.



Imaginary abilities? Like what? The Logia living in the New World isn't gonna bother to learn Haki? Croco not learning Haki is less likely than him learning it.

honestly i think youre dodging the main point, that people are giving him haki and instead trying to prove why its okay. All im saying is that you shouldnt give a character such an edge in a match by granting him abilities he hasnt shown.

and did you quote the wrong person?

 

[Corgi]

Don't you dislike One Piece? When did you start reading it? Or was that just a troll phase? xD






OT: Assuming both users have Haki, I'd say Enel would edge out Croc. You have to realize in every versus debate that the OP and the audience is going to favor their character, biasing their perceptions. I agree with you though, it does get irritating.

Don't tell me how I am.

 

[Corgi]

honestly i think youre dodging the main point, that people are giving him haki and instead trying to prove why its okay. All im saying is that you shouldnt give a character such an edge in a match by granting him abilities he hasnt shown.

and did you quote the wrong person?

And it's like you didn't even read my post. Like I said, I'm not saying why it's okay to give Croc powers, I never said it was. I'm telling you why people do it to Croc and not Enel. That is not what you were saying, you're saying "Why do it to Croc and not Enel." I gave you a viable answer, and now you're trying to subtly change the topic.

 

[U mAd]

enel sucks.his devil fruit is op but him naaaah.

 

[ShouldaGonBankai]

Because Crocodile is a fan favorite and people generally dislike Enel

 

[Olorin]

It's because Enel used to be a fodder who got lucky with a fruit and Croco is actually a good fighter who we saw again in ID and Marineford and he did pretty well

 

[Fireplay]

Mostly because Croc held his own at MF and is not fodder unlike Enel. Yeah, Croc lost to pre-gears Luffy but he stomped him twice and Luffy survived only because of plot. If Robin wasn't there Luffy would be dead whereas Enel was genuinely avoiding encounters with Luffy.

 

[jiraiya lives]

Enels Raigu can probably one shot alot of people favs...Too bad the technique is too slow to hit any top tier and Enel himself would get blitz by alot of people before he gets the chance to attack

 

[Fireplay]

Enels Raigu can probably one shot alot of people favs...Too bad the technique is too slow to hit any top tier and Enel himself would get blitz by alot of people before he gets the chance to attack

Enel needs Maxim to be able to pull off Raigou...

A top-tier can simply destroy the ship and thats it.

 

[ultraChalk]

Because Crocodile is a fan favorite and people generally dislike Enel

i think this is at as well, people completely ignore the factors of enels planet and the fact that there are other space pirates who were probably trying to invade it. yet because croc showed up for a couple pages in marineford hes the shit.

It's because Enel used to be a fodder who got lucky with a fruit and Croco is actually a good fighter who we saw again in ID and Marineford and he did pretty well

explain, how you know enel was weak before the goru goru because i missed that. also elaborate on how you know crocodile was a good fighter before the suna suna. also explain how you know that enel wouldnt do as well, if not better at marineford than crocodile because this post honestly sounds 100% opinion.

Mostly because Croc held his own at MF and is not fodder unlike Enel. Yeah, Croc lost to pre-gears Luffy but he stomped him twice and Luffy survived only because of plot. If Robin wasn't there Luffy would be dead whereas Enel was genuinely avoiding encounters with Luffy.

Luffy did lose to Croc twice, but the same way you say him surviving was plot, I could say him losing was plot. Luffy is genuinely stronger than Crocodile, this was proved when his fist shattered on of his signature attacks with his bare fist. This is also proved by the fact that Crocodile had him on the ropes for those 2 matches, and when he was dead on his feet the last match, Croc was still at 100% health and in a fair fight Luffy still kicked his ass. With water? No, but blood.

Just proves it doesn't even have to be water you hit him with, just any type of liquid which I is accessible everywhere. Croc is only a beast in his own environment. Matter fact most of his strength derives from his environment, yet with unlimited rock and sand around him he STILL lost against a WEAKENED Luffy. Outside of that, on any other island we've seen in OP... Little Big Garden, Skypiea, Long Ring island, Punk Hazard... he would lose due to insufficient material and to much fluid around him.

also, Croc held his own in marineford unlike fodder enel?
1) first of all enel wasnt at marineford
2) if he was he'd have gotten stronger out of nowhere like croc did and ****ed shit up
3) nobody at marineford was fighting seriously, and no match there was finished. people were just jumping from opponent to opponent.

And enel avoiding luffy is totally excusable. :| he had no means of attacking him.

 

[Vandenre1ch]

I just recently realized this...

In most VS matches, whenever Crocodile is concerned, people always, use the fanmade version of 'TS Croc' who we haven't seen yet, and also always give him haki. Then its assumed that he always wins just because he has haki, disregarding the possibility of his opponents haki being more powerful. Yet, people never mention how he was beat by way, way pregear Luffy and assume nobody else can discover his weakness.

But when it comes to Enel, he always gets the lower end of the stick. People use the original Enel, no 'TS Enel' and he stays with only CoO. People use the excuse of Luffy neg diffing him for him losing all of his matches, disregarding the fact that Luffy was the absolute worst opponent for him. For some reason, people also forget his firepower an strength, and how he was about to destroy an entire country.

Just wanted to point this out, let me know what you think. hmm

I noticed this too. Such hypocrites. Crocodile>Smoker. Smoker learned CoA during the TS so its not far-fetched to think Croc learned it too. Enel>Croc and people assume that he can't learn CoA because he's on the moon. Really?

Post TS Croc is overrated. Pre TS Enel=Post TS Enel. Enel achieved his dream of going to the moon and has nothing to train for and no one to fight.

Enel learned of the moon people's technology. All of the blue sea's technology originated from the moon. Knowing Enel, he'll probably be like "All technology came from the moon. I am god of the moon! All technology belongs to me!!" He'll come down from the moon on his arc and will try to "take back" "his" technology. With his lightning, he could probably deactivate, reactivate and control pacifistas. The moon people also probably told Enel about Dr. Vegapunk and Enel might go after him too in order to make Vegapunk his servant. The WG will definately try to silence Enel and may send Kizaru after him. With the lightning fast Eenl high in the sky on his arc, they need someone who is also fast and can fly to get to him. Kizaru is the perfect one for the job.