[VS] Cracker vs Sanji / Zorro

[Punk Hazard]

Makes an argument that Wadatsumi's body is more durable than stone golem in hopes of saying his body is > Pica, even references to G2...

Where did I say this?

 

[Bogard]

I see that dumb cook just can't help but keeping mentioning me while discussing of things beyond his understanding eventhough i gave him a chance already not to humiliate him

According to the portrayal thus far in the series; Even if the both of them were to fight him with Nami as a backup, they'd still lose it.

By feats i can understand, but which portrayal are you referring to?

 

[Hexuze]

Sanji gets trashed, not so long ago he was struggling against Vergo's base kicks and you want to put him up against Cracker? Zoro will perform better than Sanji in this case but like Sanji has zero chances of winning.

 

[Dęvîa Puęrî]

I see that dumb cook just can't help but keeping mentioning me while discussing of things beyond his understanding eventhough i gave him a chance already not to humiliate him
By feats i can understand, but which portrayal are you referring to?

I believe hes referring to the fact that luffy for the most part will always be stronger then zoro.. and luffy is just now getting to that level of opponets so there for zoro nor sanji or any other straw hat should be on this level\
especially when these opponets are forcing luffy to resort to gear 4th which niether zoro (i believe asura will be it until other wise idk) and sanji ( i believe hells memories gets powerful with the memories he uses to boost his emotion for example if he uses his mothers memories that could put him at a gear 4th varient) has a varient to


question bogard before i make a thread about it dont you find it strange or little unusual that for these level of opponets (reguardless if u think doffy is stronger then cracker or vise versa they are for the most part on same level) luffy is requiring help

with doffy it was law citizens etc

with cracker it was nami

who knows what would happen if luffy fought both of these guys 1v1 etc..

do u think that he will have to use help for all of the fights of this level or higher?

 

[Love Cook]

I see that dumb cook just can't help but keeping mentioning me while discussing of things beyond his understanding eventhough i gave him a chance already not to humiliate him
By feats i can understand, but which portrayal are you referring to?

ýes it is beyond my understanding that you claim Pica is 5.4KM high equal to 13 WTC towers stacked on top of each other. I guess I'm the dumb one here. Boy oh boy do I got egg on my face for calling you out on that after you measured everything so carefully from a drawing.

Thanks for the chance, I really needed that moment where you stopped posting for a while, those math skills are beyond my comprehension skills master, You do math so good, I'm only a fool compared to you. Please show me the way of manga math sensei. How can I create my own truths with fabricated facts ?

 

[Punk Hazard]

Sanji gets trashed, not so long ago he was struggling against Vergo's base kicks and you want to put him up against Cracker? Zoro will perform better than Sanji in this case but like Sanji has zero chances of winning.

Base, injured Sanji was fighting evenly with base Vergo. Wow, such bad portrayal.

 

[Bogard]

ýes it is beyond my understanding that you claim Pica is 5.4KM high equal to 13 WTC towers stacked on top of each other. I guess I'm the dumb one here. Boy oh boy do I got egg on my face for calling you out on that after you measured everything so carefully from a drawing.

Thanks for the chance, I really needed that moment where you stopped posting for a while, those math skills are beyond my comprehension skills master, You do math so good, I'm only a fool compared to you. Please show me the way of manga math sensei. How can I create my own truths with fabricated facts ?

Which is exactly what a mountain is you stupid. I can give you a list of 100mountains bigger than that

 

[-Akuma-]

Ok?

Ok, one of the strongest characters of all time?

Mihawk the worlds greatest swordsman? An Admiral level character?

Both who have greater DC than Sanji? Yes.


Pretty much everyone you named there has more DC than Sanji. Not to mention you made some stuff up.

Never happened.

Never happened.

An old sick DCJ doesn't have more DC/Attack potency than Sanji. Don't even try and argue someone who isn't even executive level is that strong.

 

[Bogard]

An old sick DCJ doesn't have more DC/Attack potency than Sanji. Don't even try and argue someone who isn't even executive level is that strong.

Pointy head Chinjao arguably had better destructive capacity than even g2/3 Luffy, let alone Sanji mainly because his head is naturally extremely hard combined with the fact his secret technique was originally meant to open the ice continent.

It may have degraded with time and sickness but not to the point it came from a ice continent splitter to below Sanji's, not a chance. A enhanced version of elephant gun was needed to overcome the flat version of his attack even old and sick(that couldn't even scrath the floor's arena) and the pointy version allowed him to gain much greater destructive power(it could split the floor's arena even while he was unconscious, let alone the named attack coming from the drill).

But DC isn't everything. Lao G had lower DC than him when he destroyed him. So until someone shows something on the same level as Chinjao's(even old and sick), no he doesn't have Chinjao's destructive capacity, not a chance

 

[Love Cook]

Which is exactly what a mountain is you stupid. I can give you a list of 100mountains bigger than that

Yeah but Pica wasn't a mountain. he was a hill.

Even the thing he was standing right next to was called Flower hill XD. Besides he was standing in the middle of a town. How many cities do you know that can fit a 5 KM high mountain in the center ?

You have no sense of scale, it's pretty bad.

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Last attempt, according to you Pica is 13.5 times one of those towers. Now look at the people at the bottom of the picture, and now look back at the tower and multiply it by 13.5. DO YOU SEE THE PROBLEM ??

I think it's more likely Pica is 1 World Trade Center tall. I don't need to measure that. It's just a way more realistic guess.

 

[-Akuma-]

Pointy head Chinjao arguably had better destructive capacity than even g2/3 Luffy, let alone Sanji mainly because his head is naturally extremely hard combined with the fact his secret technique was originally meant to open the ice continent.

It may have degraded with time and sickness but not to the point it came from a ice continent splitter to below Sanji's, not a chance. A enhanced version of elephant gun was needed to overcome the flat version of his attack even old and sick(that couldn't even scrath the floor's arena) and the pointy version allowed him to gain much greater destructive power(it could split the floor's arena even while he was unconscious, let alone the named attack coming from the drill).

But DC isn't everything. Lao G had lower DC than him when he destroyed him. So until someone shows something on the same level as Chinjao's(even old and sick), no he doesn't have Chinjao's destructive capacity, not a chance

Pointy head Chinjao doesn't have greater DC than G2/G3 Luffy at all or Loa G wouldn't have beaten his soo badly.

Don't make the 'continent splitting' sound more impressive than it actually is, Don Sai is someone capable of that same feat now and since you like to quote calcs Don Sai's kick only pegs him at small city level. Chinjao admitted on top of his old age and ilness he strength dropped massively after the Luffy fight, hence why he got beat by/was losing to someone weaker than Trebol and Diamnate.


So no, old sick Chinjao is not as half as strong as you made him out to be.

 

[ToshiZO]

Pointy head Chinjao doesn't have greater DC than G2/G3 Luffy at all or Loa G wouldn't have beaten his soo badly.

Don't make the 'continent splitting' sound more impressive than it actually is, Don Sai is someone capable of that same feat now and since you like to quote calcs Don Sai's kick only pegs him at small city level. Chinjao admitted on top of his old age and ilness he strength dropped massively after the Luffy fight, hence why he got beat by/was losing to someone weaker than Trebol and Diamnate.


So no, old sick Chinjao is not as half as strong as you made him out to be.

Having greater DC ≠ Being overall stronger than your opponent.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Having greater DC ≠ Being overall stronger than your opponent.

Yet apparent higher DC places Zoro above Sanji and makes him able to break Cracker's biscuits while Sanji can't.

Yet apparent higher DC makes Zoro stronger than Gear 2 and 3 Luffy.

 

[-Akuma-]

Having greater DC ≠ Being overall stronger than your opponent.

I know that, but usually, the opponent has something to make up for that. While having more DC/Attack potency usually applies to the stronger opponent when both are brawlers like Sanji and Don.

 

[ToshiZO]

Yet apparent higher DC places Zoro above Sanji and makes him able to break Cracker's biscuits while Sanji can't.

Yet apparent higher DC makes Zoro stronger than Gear 2 and 3 Luffy.

Who said that?

Zoro's higher DC allows him to break Crackers biscuit armour where Sanji and G2/G3 Luffy don't have a chance. Cracker isn't some speed demon he blocks tons of attacks.

Not to mention Zoro is an overall balanced combatant. Who can keep up with just about anyone.

What a stupid post once again.

I know that, but usually, the opponent has something to make up for that. While having more DC/Attack potency usually applies to the stronger opponent when both are brawlers like Sanji and Don.

No Don is a linear power fighter, who just rams everything with his head. Sanji has much more mobility, is overall a better combatant.

Sanji doesn't have to clash with Don Chinjao, he dodges his drills and lands attacks. If Sanji and Don Chinjao clashed Sanji would possibly have broken bones.

 

[-Akuma-]

Who said that?

Zoro's higher DC allows him to break Crackers biscuit armour where Sanji and G2/G3 Luffy don't have a chance. Cracker isn't some speed demon he blocks tons of attacks.

Not to mention Zoro is an overall balanced combatant. Who can keep up with just about anyone.

What a stupid post once again.




No Don is a linear power fighter, who just rams everything with his head. Sanji has much more mobility, is overall a better combatant.

Sanji doesn't have to clash with Don Chinjao, he dodges his drills and lands attacks. If Sanji and Don Chinjao clashed Sanji would possibly have broken bones.

Saying, Don, is a linear fighter is stupid. He has shown the mobility to keep up with G2 Luffy who has as much speed as Sanji and is a better fighter than Sanji as well.

Sanji would break is bones is rather baseless, and don't say 'because Vergo cracked his bones' either.

 

[ToshiZO]

Saying, Don, is a linear fighter is stupid. He has shown the mobility to keep up with G2 Luffy who has as much speed as Sanji and is a better fighter than Sanji as well.

Sanji would break is bones is rather baseless, and don't say 'because Vergo cracked his bones' either.

Well then you need to reread the manga, because Luffy didn't show a hint of using G2 against Chinjao, he was laying him out in base.

Only time he went gears (gear 3 to be exact) was to clash with his one great thing in battle his DC. So you really only proved my point how linear of a fighter he is.

 

[Vandenre1ch]

Well then you need to reread the manga, because Luffy didn't show a hint of using G2 against Chinjao, he was laying him out in base.

Only time he went gears (gear 3 to be exact) was to clash with his one great thing in battle his DC. So you really only proved my point how linear of a fighter he is.

You made that up. You need to re-read the manga. LMAO you can't be serious ahdhothdfidgfvuf......

G2 was ready right before he clashed with Chinjao. He used G2 to kick Sai out the ring and used it constantly against Chinjao. Chinjao shook off the G2 Hawk Rifle without a scratch while Luffy was the one with scratches.

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It took G3 to take out an arrogant Chinjao who tried matching the blow instead of dodging. Again, Luffy was using G2 the entire fight. Stop downplaying characters because they are not Zoro and you hate Sanji(if you can claim people are Zoro haters because they disagree with you, I can do the same).

 

[ToshiZO]

You made that up. You need to re-read the manga. LMAO you can't be serious ahdhothdfidgfvuf......

G2 was ready right before he clashed with Chinjao. He used G2 to kick Sai out the ring and used it constantly against Chinjao. Chinjao shook off the G2 Hawk Rifle without a scratch while Luffy was the one with scratches.

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It took G3 to take out an arrogant Chinjao who tried matching the blow instead of dodging. Again, Luffy was using G2 the entire fight. Stop downplaying characters because they are not Zoro and you hate Sanji(if you can claim people are Zoro haters because they disagree with you, I can do the same).

My bad, yea he used one g2 attack and that was the one Chinjao couldn't react to.

Besides that everything else he did whether when dodging or clashing aside from the final attack was all base. Point still stands, infact point is even proven further, because as soon as a g2 attack was thrown Chinjao could not do anything about it.

Sanji in DJ is overall comparable to G2 as a fighter.

Luffy used G3 because Chinjao was pretty durable. Other than that his speed was nothing for even base Luffy.

Again, Luffy was using G2 the entire fight.

Again, stop lying.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

Cracker was able to beat G4 poundman luffy's haki. Fought him for a whole day when luffy was replenishing his stamina with Cracker's devil fruit. None of luffy's previous enemies has never done that before especially to G4.
They either get help or use obstacles to get away.

So by feats Cracker wins easily