[Discussion] Cracker is stronger than Doffy

[Punk Hazard]

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Funny that when people are talking about the things you said with your name, it's saltiness, but you did exactly that when you brought up my name in the first place...which started all of this.

 

[arv993]

I know he's leaving out context. He does that a lot to enforce his points.

Well the Gorosei themselves said that they seek the ones with the most power & influence to join the ranks. Problem with the system is that anyone can be a shichibukai if the WG thinks you are strong. They think Buggy is a powerful being and has a ton of allies. You can even be too weak to be a shichibukai as seen with Moriah.

However, the official translation said the marines AND shichibukai exists to counter balance the yonko. Postskip, the marines alone are so powerful that they don't need the shichibukai system.

ARV is leaving out a bunch of context to the discussion. The debate started in regards to whether or not the Yonko were superior to the Marines. Someone said the Marines needed to form the Shichibukai to make up the difference. I said the Marines were equal to the Yonko, and the Shichibukai were created to be equal to both, hence why they're regarded as three separate entities, the THREE Great Powers, rather than a different label for the Shichibukai and Marines to be one entity. If it was Shichibukai+Marines=Yonko, there'd be no reason to have them be two separate entities.

As that discussion continued, someone(can't remember who, possibly him) asked me how could the Shichibukai possibly equal the Yonko, and I mentioned that quite a few of them had kingdoms under their belt, crews, and connections/allies. In that same discussion, I admitted that, in practice and especially with the current iteration, the Shichibukai are falling short, but that's on purpose. They've been portrayed as a failing system, with them falling short in aiding the Marines in the word, many of them losing or abusing their positions, and it being a plot point via Fujitora that there are those who want the system to be disbanded.

The point of me saying that is that the conception of the Shichibukai isn't proof that Marines are weaker than Yonko, as they were conceived to be equal to both, even though they're probably failing to do that in practice.

Shichibukai=yonko in terms of BALANCING. The marines, shichibukai & yonko maintains the balance of power in the world. The THREE great powers as directly stated by the manga. All 3 are equally important. You're thinking too much it power wise.

He never said the 7 shichibukai=4 yonko forces power wise.

NO there is no overthinking it. They are a balance yet two powers are allied?

@riker
you literally admitted to saying schibukai = yonko and used kingdoms as one of your selling points but that is not the case yonkos have even better allies than the schibukai do, its practically impossible for schibukai as a faction to be equal to the yonko or the marines.

So 3 great powers mean they are equal. wtf kinda logic is that. they are just 3 strongest factions doesnt mean all of them are equal.

and which iteration of the schibukai equaled the marines or the yonkos?

@vander
They use schibukai for wartime purposes and generally the guys they pick arent all that weak, boa, doffy, jimbei are all capable fighters. doffy is a yonko commander level guy. Just cuz buggy is weak doesnt mean the whole system is a joke and buggy's followers think he is strong meaning they are decently strong as we saw with hairudin etc. The schibukai is a failing system becasue of ppl like doffy and crocodile who abuse the power and rule kingdoms and make a joke of the whole WG by doing so.

Having said that they arent even close as a whole compared to yonkos, doffy the second strongest guy in the group would fall to the commanders of other crews and they necessarily dont even have to be the strongest commander. They arent close to marines either. SO them equaling those factions is an outright joke.

And vander this isnt the fanfic section its not up to u decide the marines dont need the schibukai anymore. Just cuz fujitora doesnt like the abuse of power doesnt mean the WG doesnt see the need of schibukai. They even added a new schibukai who literally hurt one of their admirals, yea they so dont need them that they decide to refill some of their spots with guys who went against marines. what a joke you are putting such trash as even a rebuttal.

 

[LBeezy]

Funny that when people are talking about the things you said with your name, it's saltiness, but you did exactly that when you brought up my name in the first place...which started all of this.

Lmao what are you talking about? You could've posted salt when I brought up your name if you wanted to bro.. it wouldn't hurt me or upset me in any way..


Anyway.. Majority of yall posts about "things I said" are completely false and made up though..


Vanderb¡tch and ArabianLuffy are lame af and couldn't d*ck ride you any harder.. and Naruto&Itachi is just random as fk cause idek what he has against me..


Funniest part of all, is I thought I was cool with all of you guys.

Especially you.. but it's w/e... once yall start disrespecting me, I'ma just treat yall the same way. No hard feelings at the end of the day..

At least not on my end..

 

[Punk Hazard]

NO there is no overthinking it. They are a balance yet two powers are allied?

They're allied because why the hell would the Marines let criminals stand on equal footing with them? They have the Shichibukai because they want it to be Shichibukai+Marines>Emperors.

@riker
you literally admitted to saying schibukai = yonko and used kingdoms as one of your selling points

I told you the Shichibukai were created to be=to Yonko. You asked me how that could even be possible, which is why I brought up the kingdoms. In that same discussion, I brought up that the Shichibukai were a failing system. They very well might be weaker than the Yonko in practice, but that doesn't mean they weren't conceived by the WG to be equal to them.

So 3 great powers mean they are equal. wtf kinda logic is that. they are just 3 strongest factions doesnt mean all of them are equal.

Except it's said the three of them exist in a balance. If two of them were considered a balance to the Yonko, then they wouldn't be three separate entities, it'd just be the WG and the Emperors.

and which iteration of the schibukai equaled the marines or the yonkos?

Possibly none. Doesn't change that the intention and concept of them is to be=Yonko.

@vander
They use schibukai for wartime purposes and generally the guys they pick arent all that weak, boa, doffy, jimbei are all capable fighters. doffy is a yonko commander level guy. Just cuz buggy is weak doesnt mean the whole system is a joke and buggy's followers think he is strong meaning they are decently strong as we saw with hairudin etc. The schibukai is a failing system becasue of ppl like doffy and crocodile who abuse the power and rule kingdoms and make a joke of the whole WG by doing so.

The Shichibukai aren't failing just for this.

1. It was mentioned that Weevil's rampage was too much to ignore even for a Warlord

2. Crocodile and Doflamingo's criminal activity

3. When Kuma and Doflamingo showed up to the meeting, Sengoku said that was more than he was expecting. TWO out of SEVEN was more than he was expecting

4. Doflamingo doing generally nothing in the war

5. Boa Hancock fighting against them

6. Moriah being defeated in the war and by Luffy

7. Jinbei refusing to fight Whitebeard

8. Trafalgar Law being expelled from the system

9. Doflamingo being expelled at the same time

 

[arv993]

I know he's leaving out context. He does that a lot to enforce his points.

Well the Gorosei themselves said that they seek the ones with the most power & influence to join the ranks. Problem with the system is that anyone can be a shichibukai if the WG thinks you are strong. They think Buggy is a powerful being and has a ton of allies. You can even be too weak to be a shichibukai as seen with Moriah.

However, the official translation said the marines AND shichibukai exists to counter balance the yonko. Postskip, the marines alone are so powerful that they don't need the shichibukai system.

ARV is leaving out a bunch of context to the discussion. The debate started in regards to whether or not the Yonko were superior to the Marines. Someone said the Marines needed to form the Shichibukai to make up the difference. I said the Marines were equal to the Yonko, and the Shichibukai were created to be equal to both, hence why they're regarded as three separate entities, the THREE Great Powers, rather than a different label for the Shichibukai and Marines to be one entity. If it was Shichibukai+Marines=Yonko, there'd be no reason to have them be two separate entities.

As that discussion continued, someone(can't remember who, possibly him) asked me how could the Shichibukai possibly equal the Yonko, and I mentioned that quite a few of them had kingdoms under their belt, crews, and connections/allies. In that same discussion, I admitted that, in practice and especially with the current iteration, the Shichibukai are falling short, but that's on purpose. They've been portrayed as a failing system, with them falling short in aiding the Marines in the word, many of them losing or abusing their positions, and it being a plot point via Fujitora that there are those who want the system to be disbanded.

The point of me saying that is that the conception of the Shichibukai isn't proof that Marines are weaker than Yonko, as they were conceived to be equal to both, even though they're probably failing to do that in practice.

Shichibukai=yonko in terms of BALANCING. The marines, shichibukai & yonko maintains the balance of power in the world. The THREE great powers as directly stated by the manga. All 3 are equally important. You're thinking too much it power wise.

He never said the 7 shichibukai=4 yonko forces power wise.

They're allied because why the hell would the Marines let criminals stand on equal footing with them? They have the Shichibukai because they want it to be Shichibukai+Marines>Emperors.


I told you the Shichibukai were created to be=to Yonko. You asked me how that could even be possible, which is why I brought up the kingdoms. In that same discussion, I brought up that the Shichibukai were a failing system. They very well might be weaker than the Yonko in practice, but that doesn't mean they weren't conceived by the WG to be equal to them.


Except it's said the three of them exist in a balance. If two of them were considered a balance to the Yonko, then they wouldn't be three separate entities, it'd just be the WG and the Emperors.


Possibly none. Doesn't change that the intention and concept of them is to be=Yonko.



The Shichibukai aren't failing just for this.

1. It was mentioned that Weevil's rampage was too much to ignore even for a Warlord

2. Crocodile and Doflamingo's criminal activity

3. When Kuma and Doflamingo showed up to the meeting, Sengoku said that was more than he was expecting. TWO out of SEVEN was more than he was expecting

4. Doflamingo doing generally nothing in the war

5. Boa Hancock fighting against them

6. Moriah being defeated in the war and by Luffy

7. Jinbei refusing to fight Whitebeard

8. Trafalgar Law being expelled from the system

9. Doflamingo being expelled at the same time

Yea they are disobedient, the worst form being when they rule a land and make the laws set by the world to be an utter joke. You are not saying anything I am not.

And they still asked them to come to the war, they are assets used in a war, they didnt go side with the enemy except for boa and jimbei quit.

are you really that dumb the schibukai + marine system was never said to be greater than the yonkos thats again fanfic by you. theyare allied together to have a stalemate and that is exactly what they have. Pull up the garp scan again if you want more proof i kno you saw it a thousand times.

I havent heard any more of weaker argument than this, "they very well might be weaker than the yonkos" THEY are weaker than the yonkos, how many top tiers do the schibukai even have? Just from a personnel standpoint your argument makes no sense.

Schibukai is not a system made naturally they are hired by the WG to serve them in times of need and scare pirates , they are not the marines so they are a different system. The schibuaki is a group of criminals who are requested to join them whereas the marines who are recruited and trained to be navy soldiers. The two groups are allies to stand against one group is that too hard to understand riker.

According to the manga my statement makes absolute sense and add in the common sense aspect it only bolsters my argument. Your whole "ideal concept" is utter weaksauce explanations the WG intentions are not exactly clear but going by garps words the two factions ally to hold a stalemate with the yonko.

 

[Vandenre1ch]

NO there is no overthinking it. They are a balance yet two powers are allied?

@riker
you literally admitted to saying schibukai = yonko and used kingdoms as one of your selling points but that is not the case yonkos have even better allies than the schibukai do, its practically impossible for schibukai as a faction to be equal to the yonko or the marines.

So 3 great powers mean they are equal. wtf kinda logic is that. they are just 3 strongest factions doesnt mean all of them are equal.

and which iteration of the schibukai equaled the marines or the yonkos?

@vander
They use schibukai for wartime purposes and generally the guys they pick arent all that weak, boa, doffy, jimbei are all capable fighters. doffy is a yonko commander level guy. Just cuz buggy is weak doesnt mean the whole system is a joke and buggy's followers think he is strong meaning they are decently strong as we saw with hairudin etc. The schibukai is a failing system becasue of ppl like doffy and crocodile who abuse the power and rule kingdoms and make a joke of the whole WG by doing so.

Having said that they arent even close as a whole compared to yonkos, doffy the second strongest guy in the group would fall to the commanders of other crews and they necessarily dont even have to be the strongest commander. They arent close to marines either. SO them equaling those factions is an outright joke.

And vander this isnt the fanfic section its not up to u decide the marines dont need the schibukai anymore. Just cuz fujitora doesnt like the abuse of power doesnt mean the WG doesnt see the need of schibukai. They even added a new schibukai who literally hurt one of their admirals, yea they so dont need them that they decide to refill some of their spots with guys who went against marines. what a joke you are putting such trash as even a rebuttal.

Fanfic.....when it was directly stated in the manga that the marines are more powerful than ever before and that the shichibukai abolishment is heavily foreshadowed....

It was directly stated that the marines, shichibukai & yonko are the THREE great powers and the marines & shichibukai exist to counter balance the 4 yonko forces.

The marines THINK Buggy is very powerful due to his ties with Roger and made him a shichibukai because of it. They pick pirates they BELIEVE to be strong and have a lot of influence. Even Kizaru said it doesn't really matter if Weevil is WB's son or not, as he has the immense strength to back it up.

So before you start calling people trash or uses fanfc, how about taking facts that was directly stated in the manga into consideration hmm?

 

[ArabianLuffy]

Lmao what are you talking about? You could've posted salt when I brought up your name if you wanted to bro.. it wouldn't hurt me or upset me in any way..


Anyway.. Majority of yall posts about "things I said" are completely false and made up though..


Vanderb¡tch and ArabianLuffy are lame af and couldn't d*ck ride you any harder.. and Naruto&Itachi is just random as fk cause idek what he has against me..


Funniest part of all, is I thought I was cool with all of you guys.

Especially you.. but it's w/e... once yall start disrespecting me, I'ma just treat yall the same way. No hard feelings at the end of the day..

At least not on my end..

Nobody is disrespecting you. Unless you talked shit on someone, you should be prepared to get shit back on you. Despite the common sense shared by many that they disagree with you, who started the salt? I dunno. I on my count don't disrespect you. Now chill, son.

 

[arv993]

Fanfic.....when it was directly stated in the manga that the marines are more powerful than ever before and that the shichibukai abolishment is heavily foreshadowed....

It was directly stated that the marines, shichibukai & yonko are the THREE great powers and the marines & shichibukai exist to counter balance the 4 yonko forces.

The marines THINK Buggy is very powerful due to his ties with Roger and made him a shichibukai because of it. They pick pirates they BELIEVE to be strong and have a lot of influence. Even Kizaru said it doesn't really matter if Weevil is WB's son or not, as he has the immense strength to back it up.

So before you start calling people trash or uses fanfc, how about taking facts that was directly stated in the manga into consideration hmm?

More powerful than b4 does not mean equal to being on par with the yonkos, who also have additions to their power through alliances etc. They never said that. You cant assume they are on equal footing. The schibukai got weaker but they still have some of the core members in tact and gained weevil.

No one is arguing that schibukai is not a great power, all i am saying is that they are not on par with the marines or yonko. and that yonko = marines + schibukai. That was what was stated by garp.


Yea whats your point. yes weevil is strong your point? buggy attracts strong members so he is not useless.
Yes you yourself admit that marines + schibukai = yonko. That was a manga fact so what are you arguing with me for?

Again the fanfic is you saying since marines got stronger they must be equal to yonko now by themselves. that is not mentioned anywhere and just speculation.

 

[Vandenre1ch]

More powerful than b4 does not mean equal to being on par with the yonkos, who also have additions to their power through alliances etc. They never said that. You cant assume they are on equal footing. The schibukai got weaker but they still have some of the core members in tact and gained weevil.

No one is arguing that schibukai is not a great power, all i am saying is that they are not on par with the marines or yonko. and that yonko = marines + schibukai. That was what was stated by garp.


Yea whats your point. yes weevil is strong your point? buggy attracts strong members so he is not useless.
Yes you yourself admit that marines + schibukai = yonko. That was a manga fact so what are you arguing with me for?

Again the fanfic is you saying since marines got stronger they must be equal to yonko now by themselves. that is not mentioned anywhere and just speculation.

See? I never said they were equal. Its just you ignoring context and jumping to conclusions again. At the same time however, you can't assume that their NOT equal. Manga says that the marines are more powerful than before and the shichibukai system is failing. Put two & two together and?

I never admitted anything. I just said what said in the manga and you SOMEHOW misinterpreted what I said to jump to a conclusion based up made up assumptions aka a fanfic.

 

[arv993]

See? I never said they were equal. Its just you ignoring context and jumping to conclusions again. At the same time however, you can't assume that their NOT equal. Manga says that the marines are more powerful than before and the shichibukai system is failing. Put two & two together and?

I never admitted anything. I just said what said in the manga and you SOMEHOW misinterpreted what I said to jump to a conclusion based up made up assumptions aka a fanfic.

Dude are u serious? Tha manga never refuted the balance of powers. Doffy still brought it up you are acting like the whole idea was thrown out the window. The Wg even hired a new schibukai, so if it was failing so bad why would they hire a powerful pirate.

This is where you are speculating, the marines are stronger does not mean they dont need schiibukai, they are still present, until that is taken away or refuted by the manga, old balance of power is still in existence. This is why I claimed you are writing a fanfic because u said this " Postskip, the marines alone are so powerful that they don't need the shichibukai system." This is not the case at all unless they disband the schibukai and that has not happened yet so thats just the definition of making up stuff or fanfic.

 

[Vandenre1ch]

Dude are u serious? Tha manga never refuted the balance of powers. Doffy still brought it up you are acting like the whole idea was thrown out the window. The Wg even hired a new schibukai, so if it was failing so bad why would they hire a powerful pirate.

This is where you are speculating, the marines are stronger does not mean they dont need schiibukai, they are still present, until that is taken away or refuted by the manga, old balance of power is still in existence. This is why I claimed you are writing a fanfic because u said this " Postskip, the marines alone are so powerful that they don't need the shichibukai system." This is not the case at all unless they disband the schibukai and that has not happened yet so thats just the definition of making up stuff or fanfic.

When did I say the balance of powers was refuted by the manga? Stop making up stuff.

Once again, it was directly said that the marines are more powerful and the shichibukai abolishment is heavily foreshadowed...you call that a fanfic...I guess Kaido getting beaten is fanfic as well despite all the direct foreshadowing.....saying someone is getting a power up, defeated or having new revelations in the series are all fanfic according to your logic.

 

[arv993]

When did I say the balance of powers was refuted by the manga? Stop making up stuff.

Once again, it was directly said that the marines are more powerful and the shichibukai abolishment is heavily foreshadowed...you call that a fanfic...I guess Kaido getting beaten is fanfic as well despite all the direct foreshadowing.....saying someone is getting a power up, defeated or having new revelations in the series are all fanfic according to your logic.

Look at your own statement "Postskip, the marines alone are so powerful that they don't need the shichibukai system." You are saying marines dont need schibukai meaning the power balance is marines= yonko. That is just not true.

Again the marines being more powerful does not mean they dont need schibukai. We dont go on foreshadowing since its not a certainty, we still have to see luffy vs Weevil etc so schibukai system is not out of the story yet so for the time being the balance of powers are what they are from garp's statement. We arent going on what is going to happen in the future.

All you're doing speculating and putting it out as facts. That is why i called your whole rebuttal trash.

Unless you're oda dont make your statements about OP about stuff that did not happen yet. LMk if i have to break down this simple logic with you.

 

[Vandenre1ch]

Look at your own statement "Postskip, the marines alone are so powerful that they don't need the shichibukai system." You are saying marines dont need schibukai meaning the power balance is marines= yonko. That is just not true.

Again the marines being more powerful does not mean they dont need schibukai. We dont go on foreshadowing since its not a certainty, we still have to see luffy vs Weevil etc so schibukai system is not out of the story yet so for the time being the balance of powers are what they are from garp's statement. We arent going on what is going to happen in the future.

All you're doing speculating and putting it out as facts. That is why i called your whole rebuttal trash.

Unless you're oda dont make your statements about OP about stuff that did not happen yet. LMk if i have to break down this simple logic with you.

I never said the marines are equal to the yonko. You're just assuming. The shichibukai system is failing & getting abolished. The marines are more powerful and according to Law, has been laying low as if they're planning something. Guess what? The balances of yonkos are being threatened the worst generation. The balance of power is doomed. Again, stop assuming and putting words in my mouth.

If you have to rely on assuming and putting words in people's mouths, maybe your arguments are trash?

 

[arv993]

I never said the marines are equal to the yonko. You're just assuming. The shichibukai system is failing & getting abolished. The marines are more powerful and according to Law, has been laying low as if they're planning something. Guess what? The balances of yonkos are being threatened the worst generation. The balance of power is doomed. Again, stop assuming and putting words in my mouth.


If you have to rely on assuming and putting words in people's mouths, maybe your arguments are trash?

Ur just backing off of ur statements now. You said they don't need schibukai anymore even tho they still have the system. And again they didn't get abolished so what's the point of speculating you can't say they got abolished as a fact when there are still schibukai there in the system. We can't go on the future unless you are writing the story which you aren't. So stop talking about what will happen instead talk about what the current state of the 3 great powers of OP is.



Yea the balance of power eventually would be doomed by worst gen since luffy is MC etc that doesn't mean I can say luffy> shanks rn. What kind of stupid logic is that. You are speculating stop with that nonsense

They have a fanfic section and a theory section where you can go say all this there and it's ok but you make it as if it's fact. Lmk if you can't find the link to the section I think your ideas will be much appreciated there lmao

 

[Vandenre1ch]

Ur just backing off of ur statements now. You said they don't need schibukai anymore even tho they still have the system. And again they didn't get abolished so what's the point of speculating you can't say they got abolished as a fact when there are still schibukai there in the system. We can't go on the future unless you are writing the story which you aren't. So stop talking about what will happen instead talk about what the current state of the 3 great powers of OP is.


Yea the balance of power eventually would be doomed by worst gen since luffy is MC etc that doesn't mean I can say luffy> shanks rn. What kind of stupid logic is that. You are speculating stop with that nonsense

They have a fanfic section and a theory section where you can go say all this there and it's ok but you make it as if it's fact. Lmk if you can't find the link to the section I think your ideas will be much appreciated there lmao

I never backed off anything. You're just deadset on jumping to conclusions. I never said postskip marines are equal to the yonkou. Quote me when I did. You made that up so you'd have something to complain about. Kaido being beaten is fanfiction then...happy now?..don't ever talk about non confirmed info in OP again or else you'll be hypocrite. Don't even say we'll have dialogue next chapter. That is fanfiction according to you. Don't go against your own logic and become a hypocrite now.

 

[arv993]

I never backed off anything. You're just deadset on jumping to conclusions. I never said postskip marines are equal to the yonkou. Quote me when I did. You made that up so you'd have something to complain about. Kaido being beaten is fanfiction then...happy now?..don't ever talk about non confirmed info in OP again or else you'll be hypocrite. Don't even say we'll have dialogue next chapter. That is fanfiction according to you. Don't go against your own logic and become a hypocrite now.

You just said the schibukai is abolished. that didnt happen yet, how in gods name is that a fact when it didnt happen yet.

I just threw your statement "Postskip, the marines alone are so powerful that they don't need the shichibukai system." back at you. Unless you changed your mind on that what you said made no sense and was just speculation.


Where did kaido come into this?

So you're saying there will be dialogue next chapter so since you're predicting that you can predict anything you want in the OP verse. This is some terrible logic. I guess im a meteorologist since i know its going to rain at least once in the next 3 months, this is some bs logic you are using to justify your fanfic theories.



Heres your whole quote if you want that

I know he's leaving out context. He does that a lot to enforce his points.

Well the Gorosei themselves said that they seek the ones with the most power & influence to join the ranks. Problem with the system is that anyone can be a shichibukai if the WG thinks you are strong. They think Buggy is a powerful being and has a ton of allies. You can even be too weak to be a shichibukai as seen with Moriah.

However, the official translation said the marines AND shichibukai exists to counter balance the yonko. Postskip, the marines alone are so powerful that they don't need the shichibukai system.

 

[Vandenre1ch]

You just said the schibukai is abolished. that didnt happen yet, how in gods name is that a fact when it didnt happen yet.

I just threw your statement "Postskip, the marines alone are so powerful that they don't need the shichibukai system." back at you. Unless you changed your mind on that what you said made no sense and was just speculation.


Where did kaido come into this?

So you're saying there will be dialogue next chapter so since you're predicting that you can predict anything you want in the OP verse. This is some terrible logic. I guess im a meteorologist since i know its going to rain at least once in the next 3 months, this is some bs logic you are using to justify your fanfic theories.



Heres your whole quote if you want that

Wow once again, I never said the shichibukai system is gone. I directly said that its foreshadowed to fall. How did you make up THAT of all things?

Preskip marines+shichibukai=yonko. Postskip marines are more powerful so obviously postskip marines+shichibukai>yonko. Since the system is foreshadowed to be destroyed, it wouldn't a big deal as a whole as the marines got more powerful. Toss in the yonko are going to be dethroned, the marines don't need the system. Its completely logical and backed by the series itself.

Once again, I never changed my mind. That's something you made up again so you'd have SOMETHING to latch onto.

Of course its terrible logic. Its following your logic after all. That's the point.

 

[arv993]

Wow once again, I never said the shichibukai system is gone. I directly said that its foreshadowed to fall. How did you make up THAT of all things?

Preskip marines+shichibukai=yonko. Postskip marines are more powerful so obviously postskip marines+shichibukai>yonko. Since the system is foreshadowed to be destroyed, it wouldn't a big deal as a whole as the marines got more powerful. Toss in the yonko are going to be dethroned, the marines don't need the system. Its completely logical and backed by the series itself.

Once again, I never changed my mind. That's something you made up again so you'd have SOMETHING to latch onto.

Of course its terrible logic. Its following your logic after all. That's the point.

Look at your own post. You said the schibukai is getting abolished. You are not Oda and thus can't say that as a fact. What part of that do u not get.

Nope that doesn't mean that, the schibukai for one got weaker and some members quit or got defeated and the yonko keep adding ppl as allies such as Bege etc meaning they too are stronger, Kaido has a whole army of df users that he was building up etc and BB is also getting stronger meaning the yonko are not a constant in terms of power. You can make the case that schibukai are smaller component now of the balance nothing else. You are going back to fan fiction, even doffy in the post skip mentioned the balance its not like he took out the schibukai so your whole theory of schibukai + marines > yonko has nothing to stand on. All speculation as usual. Good job.

Also your whole argument that yonko are eventually going to get dethroned is so stupid. We all know it's likely luffy is going to be PK at the end. That does not mean I can go make claims luffys crew> kaidos crew even though it's what we think is going to happen, we aren't the authors so future events can't be said as a fact. And who Tf knows what's going to happen to the world govt at the end of the series they're likely not going to be there either but again I'm not the author so idk what the hell is going to happen. But do u see me saying world govt is foreshadowed to be destroyed so luffys allies> WG.

Also there's a good chance that sabo would defeat akainu to get revenge on ace but should I say sabo> akainu since that could happen. See the kind of dumb conclusions you can make with your logic.

I don't use that logic as you were the one who wanted to use foreshadowing which isn't applicable to the current situation as absolute proof.

 

[Vandenre1ch]

Look at your own post. You said the schibukai is getting abolished. You are not Oda and thus can't say that as a fact. What part of that do u not get.

Nope that doesn't mean that, the schibukai for one got weaker and some members quit or got defeated and the yonko keep adding ppl as allies such as Bege etc meaning they too are stronger, Kaido has a whole army of df users that he was building up etc and BB is also getting stronger meaning the yonko are not a constant in terms of power. You can make the case that schibukai are smaller component now of the balance nothing else. You are going back to fan fiction, even doffy in the post skip mentioned the balance its not like he took out the schibukai so your whole theory of schibukai + marines > yonko has nothing to stand on. All speculation as usual. Good job.

Also your whole argument that yonko are eventually going to get dethroned is so stupid. We all know it's likely luffy is going to be PK at the end. That does not mean I can go make claims luffys crew> kaidos crew even though it's what we think is going to happen, we aren't the authors so future events can't be said as a fact. And who Tf knows what's going to happen to the world govt at the end of the series they're likely not going to be there either but again I'm not the author so idk what the hell is going to happen. But do u see me saying world govt is foreshadowed to be destroyed so luffys allies> WG.

Also there's a good chance that sabo would defeat akainu to get revenge on ace but should I say sabo> akainu since that could happen. See the kind of dumb conclusions you can make with your logic.

I don't use that logic as you were the one who wanted to use foreshadowing which isn't applicable to the current situation as absolute proof.

Its fanfiction to say people who fight in the future, Luffy will find one piece, Green Bull will be shown etc. as that hasn't been done yet according to your logic. Ok got it.

 

[arv993]

Its fanfiction to say people who fight in the future, Luffy will find one piece, Green Bull will be shown etc. as that hasn't been done yet according to your logic. Ok got it.

Nope you are blatantly being asinine. There's some things that are blatantly obvious such as new characters that we know are going to be shown however we can't make power ranking arguments in that fashion which is much more subject to the authors will. what you are doing is comparing apples to oranges. You're only playing this bad logic card and exaggerating to this extent because you know your logic is bs and can't come back with a good rebuttal. So u should stop employing straw man tactics and actually debate but I kno u don't have anything of worth to say since your point is alll speculation.

If I use your logic I'm going to say luffy > akainu since that's going to happen in the future right I mean it's so obvious right. Your idiotic stance on this matter is astounding