[Discussion] Cracker is stronger than Doffy

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Lmao wow.. I said Katakuri had better Observation Haki than her and that was actually manga proven..

I never said that he was stronger than her as a whole..

gtfo of here with your d*ck riding bullshit boi..
"Katakuri>Big Mom" is exactly what you said.


FFS he's still holding onto a grudge from years ago.. that's how I know he's a b¡tch..
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Bro.

He literally said that it was manga facts that it was Urouge vs Snack 1v1..
I said the manga currently states that Urouge defeated Snack and there's no manga panels that show he had help.

how are you people not realizing that the manga never said that??.. the exact same thing they said about Urouge and Snack, is the exact same thing they said about Luffy and Doflamingo.
The situations aren't comparable because we have supplementary info to support that Luffy vs Doflamingo wasn't 1 vs 1.

So if Howlett wants to say it's "fact" that Urouge took down Snack by himself 1v1, then he needs to admit that Luffy brought down Doflamingo by himself 1v1..
No I don't, because we have evidence that Luffy vs Doflamingo wasn't 1 vs 1. You got proof that Snack vs Urouge wasn't 1 vs 1? Nah, didn't think so.

I bet you won't go around saying that Garp vs Roger or Roger vs Whitebeard weren't 1 vs 1.
 

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"Katakuri>Big Mom" is exactly what you said.
You must be trying to troll me heavy right now.. cause I never said that.. in fact, that whole thread I clearly stated multiple times that Big Mom can be stronger in general but when it comes to Observation Haki the manga portrayed Katakuri's as better. This is a fact. And the manga still supports it to this day..



I said the manga currently states that Urouge defeated Snack and there's no manga panels that show he had help.
"The manga" is a loose term.. it's not Oda or the narrator that said it, and it wasn't shown to us in a fight.. it was only Brulee who said it. And all she said was the same thing they said about Luffy and Doflamingo.. if Urouge took down Snack with help, Brulee would still be correct in saying that he took down Snack.. I don't understand how you can't comprehend that..

And if her word is considered "The Manga" saying it to you, then you can never again try to argue against Zoro being the First Mate for the SH's..



The situations aren't comparable because we have supplementary info to support that Luffy vs Doflamingo wasn't 1 vs 1.


No I don't, because we have evidence that Luffy vs Doflamingo wasn't 1 vs 1. You got proof that Snack vs Urouge wasn't 1 vs 1? Nah, didn't think so.
I keep asking you, WHERE IS YOUR PROOF that Snack vs Urouge was 1v1??

Oda didn't draw it out for us.. and NOWHERE in the manga does it say that it was a 1v1.

So where is your proof?

Brulee??? That's your only proof?

I already explained how unreliable her word is, and I already showed how her word is the exact same thing they said about Luffy and Doflamingo..

So Luffy brought down Doflamingo by himself 1v1 then.. okay cool.. If that's what you think, then so be it..

I bet you won't go around saying that Garp vs Roger or Roger vs Whitebeard weren't 1 vs 1.
chopstickchakra already responded to this perfectly in the other thread.
 

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You must be trying to troll me heavy right now.. cause I never said that.. in fact, that whole thread I clearly stated multiple times that Big Mom can be stronger in general but when it comes to Observation Haki the manga portrayed Katakuri's as better. This is a fact. And the manga still supports it to this day..
You only started saying this after we called you out on it lmfao

"The manga" is a loose term.. it's not Oda or the narrator that said it, and it wasn't shown to us in a fight.. it was only Brulee who said it. And all she said was the same thing they said about Luffy and Doflamingo.. if Urouge took down Snack with help, Brulee would still be correct in saying that he took down Snack.. I don't understand how you can't comprehend that..
Until we see evidence on panel that Urouge had help, the manga has told us Urouge defeated Snack. Just Urouge.

And if her word is considered "The Manga" saying it to you, then you can never again try to argue against Zoro being the First Mate for the SH's..
Not comparable for the same reason you can't compare it to Luffy vs Doflamingo: Someone talking about something they were there for is not the same as someone talking about something where they have no clue what the specific details were.
I keep asking you, WHERE IS YOUR PROOF that Snack vs Urouge was 1v1??

Oda didn't draw it out for us.. and NOWHERE in the manga does it say that it was a 1v1.

So where is your proof?

Brulee??? That's your only proof?
Yes, Brulee. Given that Urouge was an intruder in the Seducing Woods and was defeated in the Seducing Woods and Brulee lives in the Seducing Woods and it's her job to fight intruders in the Seducing Woods when they intrude in the Seducing Woods, her word about Urouge's defeat is far more reliable than her word on Doflamingo's defeat.

I already explained how unreliable her word is, and I already showed how her word is the exact same thing they said about Luffy and Doflamingo..
Brulee talking about something she doesn't know the details on can't be compared to her talking about something she does know the details on, so this argument went out the window a long time ago. Next.

So Luffy brought down Doflamingo by himself 1v1 then.. okay cool.. If that's what you think, then so be it..
Nope, we have proof that Luffy didn't take down Doflamingo by himself. You need proof that Urouge had help. Even a child could understand this by now.

chopstickchakra already responded to this perfectly in the other thread.
No he didn't, all he did was whine about muh personal attacks
 

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Lmao wow.. I said Katakuri had better Observation Haki than her and that was actually manga proven..

I never said that he was stronger than her as a whole..

gtfo of here with your d*ck riding bullshit boi..






I guess that's why I'm here, so disappointed in Howlett.. cause at least I'm man enough to admit when I'm wrong about something..

Ask Love Cook if I'm lieing..

When members were saying I took one of the biggest L's for the WCI arc, I cracked up and laughed cause it was true af! Lmao xd

I don't care about admitting if I'm wrong about something.. Riker is the one who has this huge problem with pride and ego, and being wrong, not me.
FFS he's still holding onto a grudge from years ago.. that's how I know he's a b¡tch..




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Bro.

He literally said that it was manga facts that it was Urouge vs Snack 1v1.. how are you people not realizing that the manga never said that??.. the exact same thing they said about Urouge and Snack, is the exact same thing they said about Luffy and Doflamingo.

So if Howlett wants to say it's "fact" that Urouge took down Snack by himself 1v1, then he needs to admit that Luffy brought down Doflamingo by himself 1v1..

Simple as that.
You definitely said Katakuri>Big Mom cause his COO is better. You was saying he was the strongest fighter and not all captains are the strongest in their crew(using Buffy as an example) in order to say Luffy>Big Mom.
 

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You definitely said Katakuri>Big Mom cause his COO is better. You was saying he was the strongest fighter and not all captains are the strongest in their crew(using Buffy as an example) in order to say Luffy>Big Mom.
First of all.. show me the quote where I said Katakuri > Big Mom as a whole.. in every way and every category..

Bet you won't find any post of the sort.

I know for a fact that I said she can be stronger overall, but Katakuri has better Observation Haki than her and that was actually manga proven and still is to this day.


Secondly, what you're referring to about me saying not all Captains have to be the strongest in their crew, (and I used Buggy as an example) was just a thought/idea/possibility that I was mentioning.. that was literally way before Katakuri even showed up in the manga.

Get your facts straight please.. cause you look like a fool.
 

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First of all.. show me the quote where I said Katakuri > Big Mom as a whole.. in every way and every category..

Bet you won't find any post of the sort.

I know for a fact that I said she can be stronger overall, but Katakuri has better Observation Haki than her and that was actually manga proven and still is to this day.


Secondly, what you're referring to about me saying not all Captains have to be the strongest in their crew, (and I used Buggy as an example) was just a thought/idea/possibility that I was mentioning.. that was literally way before Katakuri even showed up in the manga.

Get your facts straight please.. cause you look like a fool.


A thread you made starting off when "I remember when I said that BM's children was stronger than her and haters disagreed with me. I was proven right thanks to Katakuri." You tried switching it to COO only and majority of the comments is pointing this out. This is honestly too easy.....a benefit from not posting too much. Makes things like this easy to find.

EDIT: This too.
 
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A thread you made starting off when "I remember when I said that BM's children was stronger than her and haters disagreed with me. I was proven right thanks to Katakuri." You tried switching it to COO only and majority of the comments is pointing this out. This is honestly too easy.....a benefit from not posting too much. Makes things like this easy to find.

EDIT: This too.
Exactly what I said.

You can't find a quote because I never said that bullshit..

The links you provided only prove my point, and show that I'm correct and you're as wrong as ever..

Baaaka.
 

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Exactly what I said.

You can't find a quote because I never said that bullshit..

The links you provided only prove my point, and show that I'm correct and you're as wrong as ever..

Baaaka.
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Lmao

You proved nothing at all with that scan :lmao:


Nami's rain to the biscuits helped Luffy the same way milk helps us eat Oreos.

And again, how are you so sure Urouge defeated the Sweet Commander 1v1?? without one (or more) of his crew members helping him.. providing what could be the equivalent to Nami's rain in the Luffy vs Cracker fight??

Did Oda draw out the Urouge fight for us?


I think you're the one who needs to actually read the manga and stop just looking at the pictures.. :bdpf:
Are biscuits impossible to eat without water?


When the dude says shiit like that ^^...it's better to just leave him alone and ignore him cause you can't understand or cure that stupid...

LBeezy's mind-set and logic are mind-blowing. I'm trying to figure out how he thinks. How the process works is beyond me.
 

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no ones mad lol. you just denied manga facts again shame on you and here I thought you were only spitting fax :lmao:
Mangafacts is the Shichibukai are meant to be part of the balance of Three, equal to Marines and Yonko. They might not be in practice (The Shichibukai system is failing, after all), bug thats what it was meant to be, as made evident by the explanation of the Three Powers.
 

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Mangafacts is the Shichibukai are meant to be part of the balance of Three, equal to Marines and Yonko. They might not be in practice (The Shichibukai system is failing, after all), bug thats what it was meant to be, as made evident by the explanation of the Three Powers.
OH but i thought they are equal according your words?? you changing your mind?

maybe you misinterpreted what garp said which is the logical explanation but you as usual are impervious to common sense. schibukai and marines are allies they together hold back the yonko, not that each faction are equals. its not x = y = x its x+y = z kind of situation.
 
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OH but i thought they are equal according your words?? you changing your mind?

maybe you misinterpreted what garp said which is the logical explanation but you as usual are impervious to common sense. schibukai and marines are allies they together hold back the yonko, not that each faction are equals. its not x = y = x its x+y = z kind of situation.
Shichibukai=yonko in terms of BALANCING. The marines, shichibukai & yonko maintains the balance of power in the world. The THREE great powers as directly stated by the manga. All 3 are equally important. You're thinking too much it power wise.

He never said the 7 shichibukai=4 yonko forces power wise.
 

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OH but i thought they are equal according your words?? you changing your mind?

maybe you misinterpreted what garp said which is the logical explanation but you as usual are impervious to common sense. schibukai and marines are allies they together hold back the yonko, not that each faction are equals. its not x = y = x its x+y = z kind of situation.
Shichibukai=yonko in terms of BALANCING. The marines, shichibukai & yonko maintains the balance of power in the world. The THREE great powers as directly stated by the manga. All 3 are equally important. You're thinking too much it power wise.

He never said the 7 shichibukai=4 yonko forces power wise.
ARV is leaving out a bunch of context to the discussion. The debate started in regards to whether or not the Yonko were superior to the Marines. Someone said the Marines needed to form the Shichibukai to make up the difference. I said the Marines were equal to the Yonko, and the Shichibukai were created to be equal to both, hence why they're regarded as three separate entities, the THREE Great Powers, rather than a different label for the Shichibukai and Marines to be one entity. If it was Shichibukai+Marines=Yonko, there'd be no reason to have them be two separate entities.

As that discussion continued, someone(can't remember who, possibly him) asked me how could the Shichibukai possibly equal the Yonko, and I mentioned that quite a few of them had kingdoms under their belt, crews, and connections/allies. In that same discussion, I admitted that, in practice and especially with the current iteration, the Shichibukai are falling short, but that's on purpose. They've been portrayed as a failing system, with them falling short in aiding the Marines in the word, many of them losing or abusing their positions, and it being a plot point via Fujitora that there are those who want the system to be disbanded.

The point of me saying that is that the conception of the Shichibukai isn't proof that Marines are weaker than Yonko, as they were conceived to be equal to both, even though they're probably failing to do that in practice.
 

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ARV is leaving out a bunch of context to the discussion. The debate started in regards to whether or not the Yonko were superior to the Marines. Someone said the Marines needed to form the Shichibukai to make up the difference. I said the Marines were equal to the Yonko, and the Shichibukai were created to be equal to both, hence why they're regarded as three separate entities, the THREE Great Powers, rather than a different label for the Shichibukai and Marines to be one entity. If it was Shichibukai+Marines=Yonko, there'd be no reason to have them be two separate entities.

As that discussion continued, someone(can't remember who, possibly him) asked me how could the Shichibukai possibly equal the Yonko, and I mentioned that quite a few of them had kingdoms under their belt, crews, and connections/allies. In that same discussion, I admitted that, in practice and especially with the current iteration, the Shichibukai are falling short, but that's on purpose. They've been portrayed as a failing system, with them falling short in aiding the Marines in the word, many of them losing or abusing their positions, and it being a plot point via Fujitora that there are those who want the system to be disbanded.

The point of me saying that is that the conception of the Shichibukai isn't proof that Marines are weaker than Yonko, as they were conceived to be equal to both, even though they're probably failing to do that in practice.
I know he's leaving out context. He does that a lot to enforce his points.

Well the Gorosei themselves said that they seek the ones with the most power & influence to join the ranks. Problem with the system is that anyone can be a shichibukai if the WG thinks you are strong. They think Buggy is a powerful being and has a ton of allies. You can even be too weak to be a shichibukai as seen with Moriah.

However, the official translation said the marines AND shichibukai exists to counter balance the yonko. Postskip, the marines alone are so powerful that they don't need the shichibukai system.
 

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LBeezy's mind-set and logic are mind-blowing. I'm trying to figure out how he thinks. How the process works is beyond me.


When the dude says shiit like that ^^...it's better to just leave him alone and ignore him cause you can't understand or cure that stupid...
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