[VS] Cracker>Doflamingo

[Zavage10]

Re: Cracker > Doflamingo confirmed

He clearly has much stronger offensive abilities , but idk he kinda implies that his actual body might not have high durability.

 

[chopstickchakra]

Idk about , but physical offensive abilities and haki are way stronger then doffy's. Doffy's only hope was to outlast g4. Cracker almost cut his arm off with a causal haki sword attack.

I don't know if I'd go as far as to say almost cut his arm off but yeah he was able to do more damage to G4 and has stronger Haki as stated by Luffy. But like I said before ABC logic doesn't always work just because Cracker can give Luffy more of a challenge wouldn't necessarily mean he could beat another opponent of Luffy. Not all of Crackers hits are as strong as G4 and the attacks need to be that high to take out Doffy, Cracker on the other hand from what he said probably only needs G2 or 3 level hits to take him out.

 

[Passerby]

You realize though Cracker himself is gonna have WAY les durability than Doffy. Doffy actually survived G4 hits, Cracker's real body has yet to be hit by one.

You think Doffy can break Crackers armor?

 

[chopstickchakra]

You think Doffy can break Crackers armor?

Idk maybe, we'll need to see Cracker fight other people. All I know is just because G4 broke his armor doesn't mean only G4 can break his armor. Doffy may have an attack with enough strength to break the armor, how easily and how often is another question. I doubt he could break them as easy as Luffy but I think Doffy would be able to get Cracker to expose his real body a few times in a fight.

 

[Dęvîa Puęrî]

You think Doffy can break Crackers armor?

With overheat or his awakened strings prob or he would be able to put it in parasite similar to Jozu (talking bout the armors not on him) to immobilize them

 

[loj]

Re: Cracker > Doflamingo confirmed

Wait...Cracker still didn't get direct hit

 

[Punk Hazard]

Re: Cracker > Doflamingo confirmed

He clearly has much stronger offensive abilities , but idk he kinda implies that his actual body might not have high durability.

This is a possibility. He say he despises pain and even a shot drives him crazy. It reminded me of something Van Augar said; Logias get so used to shit phasing through their bodies due to their powers, that they no longer are used to taking direct hits and can get caught off guard easily. If Cracker spends so much time avoiding being hit and experiencing pain, his tolerance and durability may not be that high.

 

[Lawlermelon]

Re: Cracker > Doflamingo confirmed

Cracker is stronger. Correct.

This is a possibility. He say he despises pain and even a shot drives him crazy. It reminded me of something Van Augar said; Logias get so used to shit phasing through their bodies due to their powers, that they no longer are used to taking direct hits and can get caught off guard easily. If Cracker spends so much time avoiding being hit and experiencing pain, his tolerance and durability may not be that high.

Ok there Doflamingo fapboy.

 

[Retsu]

I'd have to see what condition cracker is in if luffy makes contact with a direct hit before judging, Doffy took a lot of punishment before going down. If he puts cracker out of commision with 1 G4 hit then I'd say doffy is stronger.

 

[chopstickchakra]

I'd have to see what condition cracker is in if luffy makes contact with a direct hit before judging, Doffy took a lot of punishment before going down. If he puts cracker out of commision with 1 G4 hit then I'd say doffy is stronger.

Crabmiser

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

With overheat or his awakened strings prob or he would be able to put it in parasite similar to Jozu (talking bout the armors not on him) to immobilize them

DD can't use Parasite on biscuits...

 

[MickNerks]

You realize though Cracker himself is gonna have WAY les durability than Doffy. Doffy actually survived G4 hits, Cracker's real body has yet to be hit by one.

I dont think you can say the cracker is less durable just because he said he hates pain... Luffy already stated the cracker has the stronger Haki that he has ever come across. Crackers defense is likely far superior to Doffy's seeing how his haki is far superior.

Craker's toys are able to compete with Gear 4 luffy (when Doffy himself wasnt), and they are only made of biscuits. Cracker already has shown that he can injure a gear 4 luffy which is already a feat that put him above anything Doffy was able to do.

 

[Punk Hazard]

DD can't use Parasite on biscuits...

Why not?

I dont think you can say the cracker is less durable just because he said he hates pain... Luffy already stated the cracker has the stronger Haki that he has ever come across. Crackers defense is likely far superior to Doffy's seeing how his haki is far superior.

Craker's toys are able to compete with Gear 4 luffy (when Doffy himself wasnt), and they are only made of biscuits. Cracker already has shown that he can injure a gear 4 luffy which is already a feat that put him above anything Doffy was able to do.

Are we really ready to say Cracker's Haki is better than Kizaru's or Rayleigh's?

 

[MickNerks]

Why not?



Are we really ready to say Cracker's Haki is better than Kizaru's or Rayleigh's?

Luffy never fought Rayleigh or Kizaru, at least not on panel

 

[ToshiZO]

Why not?



Are we really ready to say Cracker's Haki is better than Kizaru's or Rayleigh's?

That was a mistranslation by ***********.

Luffy only said his haki is really strong, not the strongest he has faced. "DAMN! His color of Armament is too hard!!"

 

[chopstickchakra]

I dont think you can say the cracker is less durable just because he said he hates pain... Luffy already stated the cracker has the stronger Haki that he has ever come across. Crackers defense is likely far superior to Doffy's seeing how his haki is far superior.

Craker's toys are able to compete with Gear 4 luffy (when Doffy himself wasnt), and they are only made of biscuits. Cracker already has shown that he can injure a gear 4 luffy which is already a feat that put him above anything Doffy was able to do.

Defense and durability aren't the same. Cracker may have stronger haki and better defense but if his durability is significantly lower(as implied by that phrasing) then it would take fewer shots actually landing to put him down. And technically you are right I shouldn't have jumped the gun and assumed he'd have low durability from that statement, just because he hates pain doesn't make it a fact he'll get taken out easy, it just seems likely.

Doffy did as well as the armor form did. The cracker form broke after pretty much one hit from G4 Doffy took a bunch. Also the biscuit had Haki on it, it wasn't just cracker, we know there was Haki on it from Luffy contacting it before. G4 broke Crackers Haki Biscuit Armor. I agree he has shown to be able to do more damage to Luffy in G4 state but that doesn't mean he can win IF his durability is as low as implied. Also for possibly the 100th time(with no one able to refute or explain it) When did we start using ABC logic? Cracker can give Luffy a harder fight than Doffy did, fine but that does not automatically mean he could beat Doffy. How well an opponent did against Luffy isn't a fair indicator of who they could beat or else Foxy would be able to beat Enel.

Why not?



Are we really ready to say Cracker's Haki is better than Kizaru's or Rayleigh's?

Gotta agree with McNerks on this one. The panel(from what I remember) said the hardest Haki I've faced. Luffy never faced Kizaru's and as unlikely as it may be we have no proof Luffy faced Rayleigh's. Also for all we know Rayleighs Haki may have been in decline and may be weaker now then Cracker's is.

 

[Bogard]

Doflamingo probably can't even bypass Cracker's defense which requires strong G4 level of attacks to break, which is above Doflamingo's pegrade as far as offensive is concerned. Cracker also dominates him in close combat, physical strength and versatility(infinite powerful clones). And since when avoiding getting hit was a detriment to someone? Cracker has stronger armament than Doflamingo. Could cut right through G4(overusing his haki) with a casual no name attack, can create infinite soldiers far above g2/3(requiring 2 Kong Gun G4 attacks to break), fighting competitively to him even while in G4(something Doflamingo completely failed to do)

Oh and Cracker has a scar on his face. Him disliking pain probably has something to do with a past experience with some particular tough opponent. It doesn't mean however that he necessarily has shit durability. It could be like in the Pearl situation where he may go in berserk mode if he was physically affected due to hating that sensation

 

[Punk Hazard]

Luffy never fought Rayleigh or Kizaru, at least not on panel

Defense and durability aren't the same. Cracker may have stronger haki and better defense but if his durability is significantly lower(as implied by that phrasing) then it would take fewer shots actually landing to put him down. And technically you are right I shouldn't have jumped the gun and assumed he'd have low durability from that statement, just because he hates pain doesn't make it a fact he'll get taken out easy, it just seems likely.

Doffy did as well as the armor form did. The cracker form broke after pretty much one hit from G4 Doffy took a bunch. Also the biscuit had Haki on it, it wasn't just cracker, we know there was Haki on it from Luffy contacting it before. G4 broke Crackers Haki Biscuit Armor. I agree he has shown to be able to do more damage to Luffy in G4 state but that doesn't mean he can win IF his durability is as low as implied. Also for possibly the 100th time(with no one able to refute or explain it) When did we start using ABC logic? Cracker can give Luffy a harder fight than Doffy did, fine but that does not automatically mean he could beat Doffy. How well an opponent did against Luffy isn't a fair indicator of who they could beat or else Foxy would be able to beat Enel.



Gotta agree with McNerks on this one. The panel(from what I remember) said the hardest Haki I've faced. Luffy never faced Kizaru's and as unlikely as it may be we have no proof Luffy faced Rayleigh's. Also for all we know Rayleighs Haki may have been in decline and may be weaker now then Cracker's is.

Kizaru kicked Luffy a few times at Marineford and they hurt him. That would require Haki to be used.

That was a mistranslation by ***********.

Luffy only said his haki is really strong, not the strongest he has faced. "DAMN! His color of Armament is too hard!!"

This makes way more sense.

Doflamingo probably can't even bypass Cracker's defense which requires strong G4 level of attacks to break, which is above Doflamingo's pegrade as far as offensive is concerned. Cracker also dominates him in close combat, physical strength and versatility(infinite powerful clones). And since when avoiding getting hit was a detriment to someone? Cracker has stronger armament than Doflamingo. Could cut right through G4(overusing his haki) with a casual no name attack, can create infinite soldiers far above g2/3(requiring 2 Kong Gun G4 attacks to break), fighting competitively to him even while in G4(something Doflamingo completely failed to do)

Oh and Cracker has a scar on his face. Him disliking pain probably has something to do with a past experience with some particular tough opponent. It doesn't mean however that he necessarily has shit durability. It could be like in the Pearl situation where he may go in berserk mode if he was physically affected due to hating that sensation

Who said Craker definitely had shit durability?

 

[chopstickchakra]

Doflamingo probably can't even bypass Cracker's defense which requires strong G4 level of attacks to break, which is above Doflamingo's pegrade as far as offensive is concerned. Cracker also dominates him in close combat, physical strength and versatility(infinite powerful clones). And since when avoiding getting hit was a detriment to someone? Cracker has stronger armament than Doflamingo. Could cut right through G4(overusing his haki) with a casual no name attack, can create infinite soldiers far above g2/3(requiring 2 Kong Gun G4 attacks to break), fighting competitively to him even while in G4(something Doflamingo completely failed to do)

Oh and Cracker has a scar on his face. Him disliking pain probably has something to do with a past experience with some particular tough opponent. It doesn't mean however that he necessarily has shit durability. It could be like in the Pearl situation where he may go in berserk mode if he was physically affected due to hating that sensation

@bold - this is a logical fallacy, I tried to prevent it from popping up because I knew someone would use it. Just because we saw Luffy break Cracker's biscuits in G4 doesn't mean G4 is required to break them. There's a big gap in power between Gear 3 and 4.

@bold 2- Doffy also has an unlimited number of clones available. Granted they wouldn't be as powerful as Crackers but saying Cracker has more versatility isn't a stretch it's plain wrong until we see more out of him.

@bold 3- Cut right through? Can you please stop speaking in hyperbole and exaggeration? He cut him, not right through him.

@bold 4- Luffy broke his armor with 1 Kong gun.

 

[Dęvîa Puęrî]

Re: Cracker > Doflamingo confirmed

This is a possibility. He say he despises pain and even a shot drives him crazy. It reminded me of something Van Augar said; Logias get so used to shit phasing through their bodies due to their powers, that they no longer are used to taking direct hits and can get caught off guard easily. If Cracker spends so much time avoiding being hit and experiencing pain, his tolerance and durability may not be that high.

I agree this is why pica was not a good match up for zoro (physically speaking he tech out performed zoro in speed but zoro straight up overpowered him)