couple of questions(plz hlp me!!) on bleach and a ichigo theory

[ssanimo]

ok first off why does ev1 keep saying ulquiorra may or may not be a vasto lord????????

i was under the impression that all arancarr were vasto lords??????as that was the only thing aizen was looking for?!?!?

just that some turn out to be stronger than others such as shawlong qufang and grimmjow

on that note didn't grimmjow eat shawlong and co. to become stronger????? or am i ???? and it was actually then that he was trying to become a vasto lord????

anyways hope some of you can clear this up for me

on to ichigo........ok my theory revolves around the "if you really want to control my power.......stay alive till i show up again"

ok i think it will be one of 2 things goings to happen.......i hope its the 1st

1st- during ichigo vs ulquiorra fight ichigo will once again be on 'verge of death' and will all of a sudden be overtaken by a partial transformation..*much like during his fight with byakuya* that pushes him further into a full hollow transformation, that causes his power to spike at a very high lvl for a brief amount of time wounding ulquiorra greatly giving upperhand bach to ichigo..........or

2nd- ichigo will have another meeting with hollow ichigo while in a 'dream like state' on 'the verge of death'.fight him,defeat him and unleash a hollow resureccion along with bankai

this will prob be the full extent the his powers could reach.......i'm guessing neways

i mean why would he be able to use the full extent of a shiningami's powers(bankai) but not a hollow's(resureccion)

i think this will be the difference between his and aizen's power

ichigo is human which allows him to kinda be 1/2 shiningami and 1/2 hollow

while aizen is a shiningami and he can he will be 2/3 shiningami and 1/3 hollow
(which given the amount of reitsu he has and his sheer knowledge of a shiningami's powers,makes him incredibly powerful)

and same goes for any of the espada they're 2/3 hollow and 1/3 shiningami

this means

ichi can use bankai.....then pull down mask(sorta like a shikai)......then use resureccion and be super bad a$$

aizen can only use bankai and pull down mask (tho he's still super strong)

espada.......well we know what they do

does this make sense to anyone???????

spent a lot of time thinking bout this plz comment!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Bianca]

umm okay...lol
first...im sort of confused about this also, yeah i thought in order to become an arrancar u have to be a vasto lorde but now im not sure anymore >.<

second..grimmjow didnt ate shawlong and qufang (or w/e his name was) because they showed us they were perfectly fine when they came to karakura town so either those hollows from grimm?s flashaback were just some similar hollows or smthg happened and he didnt ate them...manga doesnt clear that up

as for ichigo yes i think there are a lot of chances on him having a ressurection form^^

 

[Bianca]

wait... wait...what?
aizen has a hollow mask?

 

[ssanimo]

umm okay...lol
first...im sort of confused about this also, yeah i thought in order to become an arrancar u have to be a vasto lorde but now im not sure anymore >.<

second..grimmjow didnt ate shawlong and qufang (or w/e his name was) because they showed us they were perfectly fine when they came to karakura town so either those hollows from grimm?s flashaback were just some similar hollows or smthg happened and he didnt ate them...manga doesnt clear that up

as for ichigo yes i think there are a lot of chances on him having a ressurection form^^

yea but im positive that everyone one of the hollows he ate........were all the same ones that went to kakura town with him

i really dont get that......i guess aizen brought them back........or maybe they didnt die.......just lost all of their power and had to start over or sumthin

 

[Bianca]

yea but im positive that everyone one of the hollows he ate........were all the same ones that went to kakura town with him

i really dont get that......i guess aizen brought them back........or maybe they didnt die.......just lost all of their power and had to start over or sumthin

still i repeat,they didnt show us grimmjow actually eating them

 

[RokuNR]

still i repeat,they didnt show us grimmjow actually eating them

Well Technically no...but it was kind of implied...I suppose if he did, Aizen was able to use the Hougokyou to arrancarize those few that Grimmjow was originally with before he ate them. =/

 

[Bianca]

Well Technically no...but it was kind of implied...I suppose if he did, Aizen was able to use the Hougokyou to arrancarize those few that Grimmjow was originally with before he ate them. =/

thats kinda...whack? i cant find the right word for it
i mean one thing is to revive the dead..when u can use their dead bodies or smthg but if grimm ATE them? wth? lol

 

[RokuNR]

thats kinda...whack? i cant find the right word for it
i mean one thing is to revive the dead..when u can use their dead bodies or smthg but if grimm ATE them? wth? lol

But Aizen is like the Jesus of Heuco Mundo! O_O
Wait no, he's not cool enough to be Jesus

 

[ssanimo]

wait... wait...what?
aizen has a hollow mask?

yes he has to........i mean the whole reason he is walking the path he is,is because he had top'd out at the power he was able to obtain in shiningami form......so he saught to break down the barrier between shiningami and hollow.......(for himself,the arrancar are just experiments/army of his 'to obtain the ultimate power and rule over all 3 dimensions......god of everything)

P.S ....i'm talkin to a NB deva........better put on my shades

 

[Bianca]

But Aizen is like the Jesus of Heuco Mundo! O_O
Wait no, he's not cool enough to be Jesus

O_______O

ohh ya...he shaves >.> lol
now back on topic, nah he aint no god, if he were he wouldnt need all the espadas and that freackin key which i still dont get why he needs it for

 

[ssanimo]

O_______O

ohh ya...he shaves >.> lol
now back on topic, nah he aint no god, if he were he wouldnt need all the espadas and that freackin key which i still dont get why he needs it for

he needs it for love.....lol remember that his former captain (female) was promoted to royal gaurd.......he misses her.......wants to become king and make her his queen

 

[Bianca]

yes he has to........i mean the whole reason he is walking the path he is,is because he had top'd out at the power he was able to obtain in shiningami form......so he saught to break down the barrier between shiningami and hollow.......(for himself,the arrancar are just experiments/army of his 'to obtain the ultimate power and rule over all 3 dimensions......god of everything)

P.S ....i'm talkin to a NB deva........better put on my shades

ohh u were only assuming he has one! thats another thing...for a second i though i missed seeing in the manga smthg as important as this lol
well who knows, maybe he has one to be honest it never crossed my mind till u mentioned it,nice^^

p.s. lmao XD
those glasses look good on you

 

[Bianca]

he needs it for love.....lol remember that his former captain (female) was promoted to royal gaurd.......he misses her.......wants to become king and make her his queen

LOL nah i think that he needs it to destroy the king of soul society..whoever that might be

 

[x alucard x]

1stly yes when the espada were 1st spoken about it did make them out to be vasto lordes
later i think it was mentioned that the one that took on kaien's form was gillian

however i do agree that the whole theory about "the top 4 are vasto lordes can't release their ressurection form inside the dome" is pretty loose foundation as it could just be due to the rise in power as u go up through the ranks... or that they have special abilities which are just too powerful.

about ichigo's hollow form... i dunno about resurrection form cos he didn't use his sword when he turned hollow i think but his resurrection form could be totally different to that.
also u have to remember ichigo is unique because the Hōgyoku was not used on him to give him his vizard powers whereas the manga sort of points towards that the original vizards were somehow...

they will probably explain it away though because he gained his shinigami powers by draining them from rukia... who was the vessel for the Hōgyoku ... therefore he may also contain some of it's powers too.

 

[Bianca]

1stly yes when the espada were 1st spoken about it did make them out to be vasto lordes
later i think it was mentioned that the one that took on kaien's form was gillian

however i do agree that the whole theory about "the top 4 are vasto lordes can't release their ressurection form inside the dome" is pretty loose foundation as it could just be due to the rise in power as u go up through the ranks... or that they have special abilities which are just too powerful.

about ichigo's hollow form... i dunno about resurrection form cos he didn't use his sword when he turned hollow i think but his resurrection form could be totally different to that.
also u have to remember ichigo is unique because the Hōgyoku was not used on him to give him his vizard powers whereas the manga sort of points towards that the original vizards were somehow...

they will probably explain it away though because he gained his shinigami powers by draining them from rukia... who was the vessel for the Hōgyoku ... therefore he may also contain some of it's powers too.

yup,yup i remember that too,arroniero arruruie (did i got that right? O_O)
was the only gillian to ever become espada cos of his ability to absorb others...

so..i didnt read the pendulum arc,watching it now as the anime advances...the vizards became vizards with the help of the hogyouku?

 

[x alucard x]

yup,yup i remember that too,arroniero arruruie (did i got that right? O_O)
was the only gillian to ever become espada cos of his ability to absorb others...

so..i didnt read the pendulum arc,watching it now as the anime advances...the vizards became vizards with the help of the hogyouku?

it doesn't fully show but it sort of hints to it... they didn't become vizards by choice... if i remember rightly they started a hollowfication process and i think the Hōgyoku was the only way urahara could sort of help them... it's kinda hazy... i might have to read over it again when i can be bothered

 

[ssanimo]

1stly yes when the espada were 1st spoken about it did make them out to be vasto lordes
later i think it was mentioned that the one that took on kaien's form was gillian

however i do agree that the whole theory about "the top 4 are vasto lordes can't release their ressurection form inside the dome" is pretty loose foundation as it could just be due to the rise in power as u go up through the ranks... or that they have special abilities which are just too powerful.

about ichigo's hollow form... i dunno about resurrection form cos he didn't use his sword when he turned hollow i think but his resurrection form could be totally different to that.
also u have to remember ichigo is unique because the Hōgyoku was not used on him to give him his vizard powers whereas the manga sort of points towards that the original vizards were somehow...

they will probably explain it away though because he gained his shinigami powers by draining them from rukia... who was the vessel for the Hōgyoku ... therefore he may also contain some of it's powers too.

yes but during the training that we may have somewhat been shwon a spoiler as to what his resurrection may look like........one of the vizards(cant remember name) asked another if if they should hide his sword.......so it was there no??? he just was growlin and flipped out fixin to use cero on love.........but he clearly wasn't in control of that form at that moment

im sayin in my theory that i think that form will be shown to use again in this fight.......maybe only briefly......but long enough to freak out ulquiorra and wound him

 

[Bianca]

it doesn't fully show but it sort of hints to it... they didn't become vizards by choice... if i remember rightly they started a hollowfication process and i think the Hōgyoku was the only way urahara could sort of help them... it's kinda hazy... i might have to read over it again when i can be bothered

no need..i think the anime will clear that up for us lol
and now im looking forward on new episodes once more,yay!

 

[Celestial Sanctuary]

As far as my understanding goes on the hollowfication process there are shown to be two different ways to activate it so far shown. The first shown was an unstable method that Aizen and company were messing around with that resulted in the destruction of the soul soon after. It seemed to spread to one another after being hit with a blow by a person already in the transformation process.

The seconds way is through the use of the Hogyoku which Kisuke developed. This allows for a more stable transformation. That's why when the 4 captains and lt. were treated they were able to survive as opposed to the way previous victums just disappeared.

Ichigo's hollowfication I'm pretty certain was due to him unlocking his shinigami powers through Rukia, who at the time was the vessel for the Hogyoku, which set up the potential for a stable hollow transformation. I'm not sure if there is proof of this in the manga, or if I just came up with it. It was quite a while ago, and have just believed that to be the case for a while now.

 

[Zanji]

ok first off why does ev1 keep saying ulquiorra may or may not be a vasto lord????????

i was under the impression that all arancarr were vasto lords??????as that was the only thing aizen was looking for?!?!?

just that some turn out to be stronger than others such as shawlong qufang and grimmjow

on that note didn't grimmjow eat shawlong and co. to become stronger????? or am i ???? and it was actually then that he was trying to become a vasto lord????

anyways hope some of you can clear this up for me

on to ichigo........ok my theory revolves around the "if you really want to control my power.......stay alive till i show up again"

ok i think it will be one of 2 things goings to happen.......i hope its the 1st

1st- during ichigo vs ulquiorra fight ichigo will once again be on 'verge of death' and will all of a sudden be overtaken by a partial transformation..*much like during his fight with byakuya* that pushes him further into a full hollow transformation, that causes his power to spike at a very high lvl for a brief amount of time wounding ulquiorra greatly giving upperhand bach to ichigo..........or

2nd- ichigo will have another meeting with hollow ichigo while in a 'dream like state' on 'the verge of death'.fight him,defeat him and unleash a hollow resureccion along with bankai

this will prob be the full extent the his powers could reach.......i'm guessing neways

i mean why would he be able to use the full extent of a shiningami's powers(bankai) but not a hollow's(resureccion)

i think this will be the difference between his and aizen's power

ichigo is human which allows him to kinda be 1/2 shiningami and 1/2 hollow

while aizen is a shiningami and he can he will be 2/3 shiningami and 1/3 hollow
(which given the amount of reitsu he has and his sheer knowledge of a shiningami's powers,makes him incredibly powerful)

and same goes for any of the espada they're 2/3 hollow and 1/3 shiningami

this means

ichi can use bankai.....then pull down mask(sorta like a shikai)......then use resureccion and be super bad a$$

aizen can only use bankai and pull down mask (tho he's still super strong)

espada.......well we know what they do

does this make sense to anyone???????

spent a lot of time thinking bout this plz comment!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You kind of hit one tiny problem

Ichigo hasn't been human since the first episode/chapter when he took Rukia's Zanpaktou and stabbed himself threw the heart with it and became a shinigami and then when Byakuya and Renji appeared they stripped him of his shinigami powers and he had to go to Kisuke Urahara and revive his lost powers but didn't achieve it quick enough and thus made him start becoming a hollow as when Tessai went to kill Ichigo. Urahara stopped him and pointed out the fact that the he isn't turning into a Hollow in the same way a normal human does because they start around the hole but for Ichigo he started with the mask right away which by the "Turn Back The Pendulum Arc/Chapters" the other shinigami as well started with the hollow masks which pointed out that Ichigo is and always has been a Shinigami and his dad pointing out the fact he is a "Pure Blood" only means he is a Pure Blood Shinigami.

So its kind of speculated that since he is also a Vizard that there is more to his power than presumed to be shown because just recently Ichigo has been able to move the mouth of the mask on his own were in the past it was Shirosaki moving it for him. So he could be an Espada/Shinigami which would honestly be completely insane and very bad luck for Ulquiorra.