Could Uchiha use Gentle fist?

[EdoItachi]

But why memorize all 64 chakra points when you can just spam amaterasu? LOL

Very true but MS requires you kill your bff and not everyone is down for that.

 

[Moe22]

Not every Uchiha is able to use Amaterasu

Gentle Fist can become handy when used closed combat

I was kidding haha.

 

[HashiraMadara]

you can only do gentle fist with byakugan BECAUSE it is the only dojutsu that shows you chakra points!

 

[EdoItachi]

you can only do gentle fist with byakugan BECAUSE it is the only dojutsu that shows you chakra points!

I see what you're saying but I think that with the sharingan a person would have good enough perception to do damage to an opponents internal organs with the gentle fist effectively.

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As seen in these pages the gentle fist is mainly utilized to attack a persons internal organs using chakra flowing through their palms while pressing the chakra points is more advanced. I think with the sharingan the user would be able to mimic a gentle fist users taijutsu and the flow of chakra from their palm allowing them to effectively hurt their opponent internally without needing the deep perception of the byakugan. Probably wouldn't be able to accurately press chakra points in combat.

This previous post says it all.

 

[Conspirator.]

No.
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[EdoItachi]

No.
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I think I provided pretty solid evidence in favor of my theory. Any specific reason why you think I'm wrong?

 

[Gatsuuga]

No they can't the gentle fist works by attacking body's chakra pathway system, which subsequently injures the organs which are closely intertwined in the damaged network. As you said the sharingan doesn't have the perception the byakugan has and hence it can't see the chakra network, organs or tenketsu.

The tenketsu are different from the chakra network damage typically inflicted by the gentle fist. With a total of 361 to target it would be very difficult to memorise the exact location of each without being able to actually see them. Even then everyone's different sizes and shapes so even if you memorised the points these won't apply to anyone beside the person you practiced on. Thats the main flaw in your theory is that the gentle fist has to be incredibly precise and that can't be done without visually targeting something with the byakugan's insight. Another vital component Uchiha's lack is the precise control of their own tenketsu. If they can't control their own they can't inject their own chakra from their own tenketsu into the opponents tenketsu.

At the end of the day its way to specialised for someone without the byakugan to use, its just to impractical for any other person or clan to pick up.

 

[EdoItachi]

No they can't the gentle fist works by attacking body's chakra pathway system, which subsequently injures the organs which are closely intertwined in the damaged network. As you said the sharingan doesn't have the perception the byakugan has and hence it can't see the chakra network, organs or tenketsu.

The tenketsu are different from the chakra network damage typically inflicted by the gentle fist. With a total of 361 to target it would be very difficult to memorise the exact location of each without being able to actually see them. Even then everyone's different sizes and shapes so even if you memorised the points these won't apply to anyone beside the person you practiced on. Thats the main flaw in your theory is that the gentle fist has to be incredibly precise and that can't be done without visually targeting something with the byakugan's insight. Another vital component Uchiha's lack is the precise control of their own tenketsu. If they can't control their own they can't inject their own chakra from their own tenketsu into the opponents tenketsu.

At the end of the day its way to specialised for someone without the byakugan to use, its just to impractical for any other person or clan to pick up.

In the OP I did say someone with exceptional chakra control much like Sasuke who is able to release chakra from his entire body in the form of raiton. Don't you think someone could use a similar technique to this they could release chakra from their entire body much like the Hyuga. So if a character could use a technique like chidori but take the elemental factor out of it just releasing pure chakra they could mimic the Hyuga's gentle fist by using the sharingan to copy the taijutsu itself and help allow them to use the proper amount and flow of chakra to use the technique. I'm not saying it wouldn't take some practice I'm just saying its pheasible seeing as most ninja seem to be able to at least release chakra from their hands and feet.

 

[AGoodBoy]

Anyone can use gentle fist it's just a lot easier and useful with a byakugan. If sakura trained to use gentle fist, that would be fine and dandy, but without the byakugan she'd have to memorize the gemeral location of chakra points or guess. So she'd be a lot less effective with it since it's meant for closing chakra points. Same goes for uchiha since they can't see chakra points

 

[Conspirator.]

I think I provided pretty solid evidence in favor of my theory. Any specific reason why you think I'm wrong?

No,your evidence was flimsy at best.

 

[Exaar]

Best people to learn it would be medical Ninja's due to their chakra controll but they still wouldn't be able to use it effectively in combat even if they did memorize the opening locations. Since Moving targets/High speed combat makes it even harder to precisely hit them

Other than that, i doubt alot of people have the chakra controll to use gentle fist/hyuga techs properly, I mean Part 1 neji was doing things jonin can't even do (chakra controll wise).

 

[AGoodBoy]

Best people to learn it would be medical Ninja's due to their chakra controll but they still wouldn't be able to use it effectively in combat even if they did memorize the opening locations. Since Moving targets/High speed combat makes it even harder to precisely hit them

Other than that, i doubt alot of people have the chakra controll to use gentle fist/hyuga techs properly, I mean Part 1 neji was doing things jonin can't even do (chakra controll wise).

That's not a hyuuga thing though, just neji. Hinata still can't do things part 1 neji could do.

 

[FemmeFatale]

Sakura could use it if she wanted to, she has the chakra control and the knowledge of the body, so yes if they are good enough

 

[Tobi98]

They can't see the chakra points

 

[RedRobin]

No but the closest thing to it is medical ninjustu, the use of the chakra scalpel to hit certain regions.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

No. Copying it would be futile as he lacks the ability to see tenketsu. Not to mention he also lacks the ability to release chakra from every tenketsu in the body. The two major things needed to use gentle fists.

 

[Dark Link]

Sakura could use it if she wanted to, she has the chakra control and the knowledge of the body, so yes if they are good enough

No, she can't.

 

[EdoItachi]

They can't see the chakra points

I understand that the Byakugan does have deeper perception than the sharingan. I was thinking that by memorizing the fighting style by watching a natural user in combat they could merely mimic the movements and copy the chakra used to perform it so by striking the right spots on the outside of the body they wouldn't need to see them clearly they would just merely know it was the right place to strike based on the user's taijutsu which was copied

No. Copying it would be futile as he lacks the ability to see tenketsu. Not to mention he also lacks the ability to release chakra from every tenketsu in the body. The two major things needed to use gentle fists.

Both the current and previous Raikage could release chakra from their entire body with raiton same with Sasuke. So if they can do that theoretically a ninja with similar abilities could do the same thing but instead release pure chakra with out their nature added to it. If a ninja could perform a technique like chidori without the nature element or something like chakra scalpel they could then using their sharingan (having previously witnessed the gentle fist in combat) output the right amount of chakra needed to properly perform the technique. Since the sharingan allows the user to perceive the flow of chakra while not being able to see the tenketsu beneath they could effectively use the gentle fist.

Also this thread isn't directly referring to pressing the tenketsu that is a more advanced Hyuga technique as Neji was praised as a genius within the clan for learning it. I am referring more to doing internal damage to an opponents vital organs within not necessarily pressing the the tenketsu to control your opponents chakra.

 

[TrollingSage]

I understand that the Byakugan does have deeper perception than the sharingan. I was thinking that by memorizing the fighting style by watching a natural user in combat they could merely mimic the movements and copy the chakra used to perform it so by striking the right spots on the outside of the body they wouldn't need to see them clearly they would just merely know it was the right place to strike based on the user's taijutsu which was copied



Both the current and previous Raikage could release chakra from their entire body with raiton same with Sasuke. So if they can do that theoretically a ninja with similar abilities could do the same thing but instead release pure chakra with out their nature added to it. If a ninja could perform a technique like chidori without the nature element or something like chakra scalpel they could then using their sharingan (having previously witnessed the gentle fist in combat) output the right amount of chakra needed to properly perform the technique. Since the sharingan allows the user to perceive the flow of chakra while not being able to see the tenketsu beneath they could effectively use the gentle fist.

Also this thread isn't directly referring to pressing the tenketsu that is a more advanced Hyuga technique as Neji was praised as a genius within the clan for learning it. I am referring more to doing internal damage to an opponents vital organs within not necessarily pressing the the tenketsu to control your opponents chakra.

Chakra points will vary from person to person because people have different shapes and sizes. Therefore memorizing wont do any good. Also people actually move in battle which makes it even more difficult, even if you've memorized the position of the chakra points.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

I understand that the Byakugan does have deeper perception than the sharingan. I was thinking that by memorizing the fighting style by watching a natural user in combat they could merely mimic the movements and copy the chakra used to perform it so by striking the right spots on the outside of the body they wouldn't need to see them clearly they would just merely know it was the right place to strike based on the user's taijutsu which was copied



Both the current and previous Raikage could release chakra from their entire body with raiton same with Sasuke. So if they can do that theoretically a ninja with similar abilities could do the same thing but instead release pure chakra with out their nature added to it. If a ninja could perform a technique like chidori without the nature element or something like chakra scalpel they could then using their sharingan (having previously witnessed the gentle fist in combat) output the right amount of chakra needed to properly perform the technique. Since the sharingan allows the user to perceive the flow of chakra while not being able to see the tenketsu beneath they could effectively use the gentle fist.

Also this thread isn't directly referring to pressing the tenketsu that is a more advanced Hyuga technique as Neji was praised as a genius within the clan for learning it. I am referring more to doing internal damage to an opponents vital organs within not necessarily pressing the the tenketsu to control your opponents chakra.

Where does it say that the raikages release chakra from every tenketsu of the body? That's news to me. Further more sasuke or any uchiha for that matter isn't a raikage so that doesn't apply to him.
Chakra scapels are nowhere near as sharp or precise as gentle fist. Not to mention gentle fist practitioners can do it from every point on the body not just the hands. Hence techniques like full body blow.
Part 1 hinata saw tenketsu so cut that crap out.

The only thing neji was hailed genius for was hitting tenketsu in rapid succession or as you know 64 palms.

Uchiha don't have the means to see it, nor do they have the chakra control required.