Could the Gokage actually beat, imprison or kill post-war Sasuke?

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This Gokage would be the ones from Chapter 699 and The Last.

Kakashi, Ay, Mei, Ohnoki, Gaara

Kakashi said in 699, under normal circumstances Sasuke would've been imprisoned for life, but what if Sasuke didn't get pardoned and he wouldn't go quietly.

Would the Gokage be enough, by themselves, to subdue Sasuke and potentially kill him?
 

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Realistically no. They would have to poison with him with knockout gas and stab his eyes for them to imprison him .

Wouldn't make a difference. Plus Kakashi is more versatile so he would be better tbh.
Kakashi without his Obito's eye(s) can't hang.

Tsunade has proven to be a valuable asset in battle:

- Healing (self/3rd party)
- Chakra transfer
- Human Sheild
- Strength cracked something made of pure chakra
- Slug Summon that can protect you from any type of physical damage

She dumps on Kakashi..
 

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Replace Tsunade for Kakashi and we'll get somewhere.
Kakashi without his Obito's eye(s) can't hang.

Tsunade has proven to be a valuable asset in battle:

- Healing (self/3rd party)
- Chakra transfer
- Human Sheild
- Strength cracked something made of pure chakra
- Slug Summon that can protect you from any type of physical damage

She dumps on Kakashi..
Fellow shinobi,

The aim of this thread is to clear up a misconception regarding no-sharingan Kakashi. Many people have been assuming that Kakashi is now a fodder shinobi that is below or on the same level as Zabuza (due to the loss of his sharingan). In this thread I hope to demonstrate that Kakashi is still a kage-level shinobi and that he is well qualified to lead and defend the village without his sharingan. I’m only going to be discussing his ninjutsu, taijutsu, stamina and intelligence prowess. I know this a really long thread (sorry) but I’ve tried to organize it.

Firstly, let’s see what abilities Kakashi gained from his sharingan:

• Sharingan/MS precognition to have enhanced reflexes
• The ability to use Raikiri effectively against high level enemies
• Sharingan/MS genjutsu
• The ability to copy and preempt ninjutsu, taijutsu and genjutsu
• The ability to warp himself to teleport from the real world in Kamui dimension and the opposite.
• The ability to one-shot nearly every enemy he could ever face with Kamui, something that made him actually able to contend with nearly every character in the manga, no matter how strong and powerful.

By losing the sharingan, Kakashi has lost these abilities (aww). But, we are forgetting what he still possesses that still makes him a beast.

Hatake Kakashi was a genius since his childhood: graduated on academy at 5 years old, became a chunin at 6 years old, and became a jonin between 10-12 years old. He is the son of the White Fang Sakumo Hatake and was trained by the 4th hokage, who renowned his strength and hyped his skill and speed. Child Kakashi learned Rasengan and from that created Chidori (after failing to infuse Rasengan with lightning). He could make jonin rank when people like young Neji, young Sasuke etc (great talents) didn't even make the academy.

Kakashi is known throughout the narutoverse by his name. He is the protagonist teacher to Indra and Ashura's reincarnations. Throughout his life, Kakashi has gone toe-to-toe with the strongest ninja, and has utilized his sharingan so effectively with the giant handicap of not being an Uchiha in first place. Kakashi is the rival of Maito Gai, the man that, using his extreme power, kicked Madara’s ass and is hyped to be above the combined Gokage (tens of times according to VIZ scan). Kakashi is also the nemesis of Obito and he outsmarted/out-reacted him a lot of times, and in their final fight he won, and Obito admitted inferiority to him (I’m aware that Obito wanted to remove the seal, but that’s a different discussion).

He has fought/faced off against formidable opponents such as Zabuza, Orochimaru, Guy (rivalry), Kabuto (part 1), Itachi, Kisame, Kakuzu, Hidan, Deidara, Pain, Obito, Sasuke, the Juubi, Tobi, Madara, Kaguya, etc. He has even met the Sage of Six Paths and utilized his chakra at one point. My point here is that Kakashi has gained an unbelievable amount of battle experience over the years that would greatly assist him as the Hokage.

KAKASHIS NINJUTSU PROWESS [NO SHARINGAN]

Kakashi's ninjutsu arsenal is clearly one of the best in the series. As a former Mangekyo Sharingan wielder, he is renowned as being able to use more than 1000 jutsu, the master of three elemental affinities, and an absolute expert, in the Raiton/Lightning Style ninjutsu. Part 1 Kakashi was said to be Konoha's best technician ( ). He can wield Raikiri in CQC in his hands or in his weapons to make his attacks unstoppable ( ). He can make his Raikiri into a wolf, he can chain it with another Raikiri and create one of the more powerful cutting jutsu/attacks in the series. He can also use Raiton Kage Bunshin, that when destroyed by the opponent shock and paralyze them, and he is an absolute master with top notch skill in the bushin jutsus.

Kakashi can use also the Rasengan, without any need of help to create it in his hand. Kakashi can use powerful Suiton ninjutsu, even without any preexistent water source, as Daibafuku, Suiryodan and Suijinheki. He is also skilled in Doton ninjutsu with Doryuheki and the Moguragakure no jutsu, that can be a low level jutsu, but is made as an exceptional support technique thanks to Kakashi's pure skill as a ninja fighter. Kakashi's hand seals are some of the most skilled and fastest in the series. In part 1 he could manage to hold off his own with his personal ninjutsu against Itachi's exceptionally fast ninjutsu speed, and he can perform ninjutsu in mid CQC combat ( ).

His kage-bunshin feints and overall skill with his techniques are some the best we have seen in the entire series. For example, when going up against Pain, Kakashi managed to understand Deva’s powers (the strongest body) as well as trick him three times (two without the kamui). In the end, Pain did not kill him, but Kakashi sacrificed himself to save Chocho’s fathers life. He has also shown to be able to trick, Itachi, Zabuza, Hidan, Obito, and many others during combat.

Kakashi is also able to summon a pack of ninken of various breeds. Much like his combat skills, Kakashi's use of these summons is highly versatile, ranging from attacking and restraining his opponents. He can combine his Summoning Technique and his Doton skills to have his hounds burrow and erupt from the ground in order to help subdue his enemies. Black Zetsu's words put Kakashi in the same boat of Minato as an equal ( ). Against most high-level techniques, he has advanced knowledge of their working, and is able to dispel genjutsu as well ( ). Kakashi has also developed considerable prowess in fūinjutsu, something that even Orochimaru found impressive given Kakashi's age ( ).

KAKASHIS STAMINA [NO SHARINGAN]

Let’s just quickly discuss his stamina growth. In early part 1, when out of shape, he could use the Sharingan for only a short time, and then when he started to regain his shape he could go up on use 4 Raikiri + Sharingan. At the beginning of Shippuden he could use the Sharingan for an entire night while testing Naruto and Sakura. After that, he used Kamui 3 times against Deidara (one against a giant explosion). Against Kakuzu/Hidan and against Pain he showed an even increased stamina. In the War Arc Kakashi could use 5 Kamui one after another and with perfect prowess, while at the same time he was using the Sharingan and some strong ninjutsu, as Raikiri and Raiden, before exhausting his reserves. After coming back from the Kamui dimension in chapter 655, he used the Kamui for 7 times with exceptional prowess as well and in fast succession and other jutsu. My point here is that Kakashi’s stamina has dramatically increased and without the sharingan straining his body he is able to last in combat for much longer and use more jutsu.

Although the sharingan served him well, it also had a weakness as it drained his chakra at a very fast rate. Now that he doesn't have it, he should last longer in a fight and is still able to use the jutsu he has acquired over the years. We saw how long Kakashi lasted while spamming Kamui in the war-arc, so we know that he could last much longer in a battle without the sharingan. He may have lost the sharingan, he has not lost the tons of battle experience that he has gained by going up against the strongest ninja in the verse (and literally going against the strongest).

KAKASHI'S SPEED, TAIJUTSU, PHYSICAL PROWESS [NO SHARINGAN]

First of all: Part 1 Kakashi has stated multiple times that he was out of shape, meaning he may have been rusty ( )( ).

Kakashi has been portrayed as a speedster since his childhood ( ), even by Minato himself who acknowledged him as such ( ). Child Kakashi before Sharingan could go toe on toe with experienced jonin in taijutsu ( ), with two tomoe Sharingan could blitz jonin with Chidori ( ).

With a mere kunai in his hand, Kakashi could stop the swing of Zabuza's Kubikirihocho sword ( ); he also showed great taijutsu skill ( )( )( ) and we know that he has always been sparring with the absolute master of taijutsu, Maito Gai. Part 1 Kakashi could also dodge and blitz Zabuza several times ( ). Kakashi could open at least the 1st Gate ( ), powering up his speed and strength, already on really good levels.

Beginning of Shippuden Kakashi could easily handle a Shoten Itachi (30% of Itachi's chakra but perfectly equal skills in taijutsu, speed, everything) in a CQC battle, even using a Kage Bunshin to fool him. If Naruto was not present, Kakashi could have easily made another kage bunshin underground and killed fake Itachi when he grabbed him.

Shippuden Kakashi could dodge a forest-destroying attack (Kakuzu's Fuuton: Atsugai) at point blank and with his attention divided by the taijutsu fight against Hidan (where, even with an injured arm, he was taking care of him with ease using just a mere kunai against his scythe), keeping up with Kakuzu's masks and taking an eye on team 10... and right after that quickly intercept Kakuzu's fast Raiton ninjutsu with a DOUBLE Raikiri, saving team 10's asses. With a little distraction, Kakashi could blitz Kakuzu who didn't even perceive his fast attack, even if we know that Kakuzu has so fine reflexes and perception skills that he can perceive Shikamaru's Kagemane (who obviously doesn't make any noise) approaching his back. It's worth note that Kakashi attacked so fast that even Hidan and the team 10 members, who were facing Kakuzu and so had free sight of what was happening behind him, were completely surprised.

Kakashi could nearly blitz Asura Path with his raw speed, dodging his attacks and appearing at his back. Kakashi is so fast that he was paced two times with Six Gated Gai ( ) and managed to counterblitz the V2 who were fighting KCM Naruto and Bee landing Raikiri on them ( ). Kakashi, right after regaining his mindset, outreacted and outspeeded Obito who had the same physical speed of no Shunshin KCM Naruto ( ). Kakashi was also called fast by Obito when he quickly appeared at his back ( ). Kakashi also proved to be faster and better in CQC than Obito more than once. Kakashi could also canonically move and react at least on par with Minato in physical speed ( )

Kakashi tanked like nothing a surprise Domu-enhanced kick from Kakuzu that send him flying for metres away and breaking some giant trees, a couple of Shinra Tensei, and didn't lose consciousness even from the 3rd, as Choza did. Kakashi also fought a lot of times with wounds and injuries without his performance being hindered. Kakashi can also wield the Kubikirihocho with just one hand with great skill for hours, and his physical strength is so high to make Obito internally bleed with just a couple of punches. Also as said before he can stop a Kubikirihocho swing with a mere and small kunai.

Kakashi is a highly-skilled user in a large variety of weapons such as bows and arrows, kusarigama, chains, wire strings and others. Since early childhood, Kakashi had highly proficient skill in kenjutsu, able to wield his father's signature tantō effectively enough to be mistaken for Sakumo. Due to his ANBU background, Kakashi's sword skill was especially improved. His weapon-skills are also very adaptable, even able to effectively use Kubikiribōchō, a blade of unique shape with noticeable size and weight, to defeat kenjutsu specialists like the Seven Mist Swordsmen after just gaining possession of it. He can also enhance his physical tools, channelling lightning-nature chakra through them. Remember when he saved Obito, Sakura and himself from falling into lava upon arriving in one of Kaguya's dimensions with a couple of kunai and a scroll? That's some Kakashi level business right there.

KAKASHIS INTELLIGENCE

Repeatedly, Kakashi has proven himself to be a very shrewd and resourceful man, regularly having his opinion asked for by Tsunade, the Fifth Hokage. By a quite young age, Kakashi had enough experience on the battlefield to detect a hiding enemy's presence, impressing his sensei, Minato. Kakashi has even been noted to be smarter than Shikamaru Nara; a ninja well-known for his insightful, and calculating nature ( ). His instincts also allow him to calmly effectively perceive and react to any incoming danger. Yamato notes that Kakashi has his way with words and can be a persuasive speaker, though his arguments are more of a logical nature than of emotional one like those of Naruto Uzumaki. He is also very capable in deception, regularly using his opponents' own tactics against them. He is also good at discerning what emotional nature of people and determine its source as demonstrated in his thoughts about Obito. Kakashi's intellect has proven itself against various S-rank ninja, including members of Akatsuki, showing undeniable perceptive and analytical skills, able to quickly and single-handedly deduce the workings of the most mysterious enemy techniques and plot successful diversions in order to verify his theories (most of the time proving them correct). He is aided in this regard by his calm personality, which allows him to handle a given situation with some detachment. He is also knowledgeable of other Mangekyō Sharingan techniques ( ) ( ) as well as the risks the dōjutsu poses to the user's eyesight. Itachi, once again acknowledges the extent of Kakashi’s understanding of the Sharingan ( ).

His long career as a jōnin, and formerly as an ANBU, have only expanded his knowledge, allowing him to handle virtually any situation. For these reasons Kakashi has been assigned to a variety of teams — always as the leader — and he is always able to work well with his team-mates. Chōza Akimichi tributes Kakashi's success to his approach to battles: he avoids direct combat by using misdirection and clones until he can determine the opponent's skills, at which point he modifies his tactics to fit the situation ( ). Kakashi has also shown repeatedly to be a highly capable teacher. He has come up with various unorthodox methods to help his students produce impressive leaps in their abilities in weeks what would normally take months if not years of intense training.

A man who epitomizes versatility, Kakashi's expertise is not limited to the three major ninja skill sets; he is renowned for his tracking abilities and has otherwise displayed proficiency with trap-making, medical, survival, escapism, stealth, subterfuge, and assassination. Even without the sharingan, Kakashi is still a highly formidable fighter, able to use knowledge of his surroundings, other senses, allies, and enemies to perceive the situation and overwhelm his opponents.

I’ve tried my best to regroup Kakashi's best sharingan-less feats and the best statements in regard of his general value as a ninja. I hope my work helps people to understand how strong and how skilled he is without his sharingan. I’ve probably missed many feats (please tell me if I have), but this is a fair introduction of the abilities of the 6th Hokage, Hatake Kakashi.
So yeah
 

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Realistically no. They would have to poison with him with knockout gas and stab his eyes for them to imprison him .




Wouldn't make a difference. Plus Kakashi is more versatile so he would be better tbh.
He is immune to poison as Oro enhanced his body
 

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Lol here you go..

Tsunade Ability Analysis

I. Regeneration/Tanking

II. Speed/Reactions

III. Physical prowess/Close Quarters Combat

IV. Miscellaneous

V. Portrayal

VI. Katsuyu

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I. Tank/Regeneration Feats
Tsunade is at least 25% and 25% , because of that she has a very strong body and life force.

Tsunade created an technique called Creation Rebirth which uses the chakra in her Yin Seal and activates the cells in her body to divide and . During the War arc she showed an upgraded version of this technique which would automatically regenerate her wounds .

Base:
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Sword straight through the heart and out her back.


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Multiple deep slashes.


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Transport at the speed of light, something that only someone with steel flesh and iron blood was able to, something that should have ripped her apart. But even with deep wounds she was still able to survive the initial transport and land a kick on Madara.


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She was cut in half and despite that she was still able to summon a large portion of Katsuyu.


Byakugou/Creation rebirth:

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Multiple deep wounds healed right away.


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Susano sword right through her abdomen and spine. She then breaks the sword and removes the part that was in her.


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Three yasaka magatama at point blank range. Magatama are strong enough to almost break the sand and rock defense of Gaara and Onoki. She is then thrown back hard breaking rocks.

Yes the Magatama are not the same size however if you scale the two different situations the smaller magatama should have cut into Tsunade like the bigger ones did to the defense.


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She is seen fighting with two different susano swords in her abdomen, was still able to throw a punch.


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Katon - Ryuuen Houka no justu which she pushed back with her arms and healed the burns.




II. Speed and Reactions
Tsunade has never been called slow, her speed has never been referenced. The only time was when Madara said 'She was slower than the Raikage' but I mean if you are slower than a cheetah is that really bad? She has the feats that show she can pretty much react and keep up with Kage level opponents.

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Orochimaru comes down high speed towards Naruto with his blade in his mouth, now looking from the tip of the blade he is very close to Tsunade who is able to react and from a sitting position jump over Naruto and take the blade.


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Now look how close Orochimaru is to Naruto, Tsunade from a relaxed flat on her back poistion is able to flip over and cover Naruto. Then in the same scan after Orochimaru kicks her over Naruto she is able to punch him in the face while Orochimaru is looking straight at her. (She did this with all the cuts Orochimaru gave her)


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She was able to cross that whole distance to the epicenter of Konoha in the time that the pain clones were summoned.


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She was able to visually and physically react to V1 Ay's striking speed.


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Has the same striking speed as Base Ay.


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Look at the distance between Madara and Tsunade, now imagine Madara being higher than that because of Mei's suiton pushing it up. Tsunade jumps from that point and lands a hit on the susano in the air.


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Tsunade is with all of the other kage then makes the distance to hit Madara. A great distance might I add.

Further Analysis on the last panel: Madara was trying to dogde
First the background, not a regular background obviously showing this panel in slow motion like . But you dont even need the background panel to see that, but simply seeing the how Tsunade's fist is breaking into Madara's body should be enough to show you she is simply breaking into him first hardly adding enough force to push his body. Again not to mention she was not pushing his body since she was going through him.

Then his hair is flying forward, that punch was again going through him so there was no reason for his hair to fly forward like so if he wasnt already jumping back trying to dodge.

Madara's body is leaning back because he is trying to dodge like this , and , . Just trying to give you a visual.


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Tsunade reacts before Ay, Gaara's sand, Mei's suiton, and Onoki's doton and jumps high at Madara. First you see how far Madara is from the gokage, then I show how close Madara was to Tsunade and then you get that same distance from a different perspective.



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This is overlooked so much when people talk about her reaction, speed, and taijustu feats.

  • She breaks a susano sword in half with a chop
  • Pushes it out of her gut
  • Grabs it from behind
  • Smashes it into Madara
All of this in mere seconds.​




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III. Physical prowess/Close Quarters Combat
First I would like to mention that all of Tsunade's strength feats in part 1 were accomplished while she was rusty. Its clear she was rusty because after throwing a few punches against Kabuto and then she only healed a couple of wounds and ran out of chakra and .

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Now imagine Part 2-In Shape Tsunade use 4 fingers and dig into the ground, that crack extends and expands exponentially. The one in the panel, Naruto fit into the crack so Tsunade can make people fall into cracks.


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Databook 2 - Tsuuten Kyaku:
TAIJUTSU; Tsuuten Kyaku (Excruciating Surgical Kick of Heaven*)
User: Tsunade
Offensive, Close range; Rank: C

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All of her body's "outrageous strength" is concentrated into her heel. Her stance crystallizes the body's dynamics in a magnificent demonstration of the art of hand to hand combat. And when her heel swings downward, it's as if a comet had fallen!! Nothing and no one could receive a direct hit and avoid pulverization.

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-The heel swung down in anger makes the ground rumble in kind with an ultra-hard smackdown!!

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-The remainder of the impact smashed not only the ground, but the nearby rampart into tiny bits...!!
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Aftermath of the kick.
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Tsunde using just her arms lifted Gamabunta's sword so high in the air Manda the giant snake couldnt even see it coming. Tsunade was only able to use her arms because of how the sword was positioned in the ground, in the air she was able to maneuver it to slam into Manda. Then right after she grabs Orochimaru's tongue and drags him.

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Tsunade in her weakest form of the manga did damage to right . Now I imagine that Part 2 Byakugo Tsunade could do damage like .

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Tsunade engaged in CQC with Madara and was able to punch right through his body as he tried to dodge. (See II. Speed and Reactions for further analysis)

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Tsunade has cutting power as well, with a straight chop she cuts right through the thickness of the Susano sword. As she brings the sword down on Madara she dents his manifestation.

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As she brought it down she chips a piece off a V3? Susano

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She was able to smack fire back, fire which is not a solid, yes it had a physical form but it was still not a solid. The power and force behind her arms was able to push the fire back.




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IV. Miscellaneous

Chakra Scalpel

Its a medical tool and can be the most precise blade. Tsunade cutting through Naruto's and Sakura cutting open Naruto with hardly any blood leaking out, meaning she . The scalpel again being used to make a small incision where no blood was seen since its used with the .

Great Hearing
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Tsunade has shown amazing hearing from having been a medic all her life. She was able to hear Orochimaru's erratic heartbeat from across.

Raiton: Body Pathway Derangement

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Databook 2 - Ranshinshou:
Body Pathway Derangement (乱身衝, Ranshinshou)
Ninjutsu, A-rank, Supplementary, Short range (0-5m)
User: Tsunade

Disturbing body control by severing the pathways of [brain←→body] information flow!!

[pictures of Kabuto discovery his loss of body control]
↑One's own body moves in any way, except how one wants it to move...!? For the common shinobi, battle, not to mention even just walking, will become impossible

An attack that severs the control threads with a flash of lightning

[picture of Tsunade hitting Kabuto with this technique]
↑As soon as strike of the hand lands, electricity is poured into the enemy's nervous system, severing the signals!!

By transforming the chakra within one's body and giving it the properties of electricity, one creates an electric field. By pouring this into the nervous system of one's opponent, one deranges their body control! An extremely high-level technique, used as a medical ninjutsu. The human body is controlled with electrical signals from the brain, but a person who had those electrical signals cut off with this technique will become unable to make their body move as they want. Because she's an expert in medical treatments, Tsunade was able to master this technique.

She changes her chakra into electricity(Raiton) and creates an electrical field. Since the nervous system is throughout the whole body she can pretty much send this electrical field into the body from anywhere and signals will get crossed. One touch and you are done. Adding to the fact that her arms can move very quickly, she is very dangerous in close quarters combat.

This is not regular raiton that numbs the body, there is no numbness here, this raiton confuses the body, the only way to get out of it is to reconfigure your body and figure out how to move again instead of waiting for the numbness to subside. Even after figuring out how to move, you still are .

Chakra Reserves

During the pain arc she had enough which she sent through Katsuyu.

Weeks later after awakening from her coma she jumped into battle and had enough chakra to:
  • Heal herself from all damage she took (See I.Regeneration/Tanking)

She by far has one of the biggest reserves in the manga.

Strategy

Once she had heard that the real Madara had arrived on the battlefield she knew she needed to enter the battle. She came up with the to get to the battlefield and the plan to to the battle field.

When Madara had tricked the Gokage into thinking they had sealed him and stabbed Tsunade through the spine to try and get a hit on Madara. Playing possum works great with Tsunade's regeneration technique as she can easily catch opponents off guard when they think she is dead.

Throughout the Madara fight she is seen giving commands. to heal Gaara and Onoki. Telling Gaara to the sky.

Deadly medical ninjustu
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Knowledge on pressure points

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Poisons

She was able to in the war times. As a sannin she so she much have been able to counter his salamander's poison somehow, further evidence that she can is Chiyo was also able to .

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V. Portrayal

Now this section is just here to make all her feats believable since a lot of people dont believe she can do much of anything.

Third Databook Stats:
Ninjustu 5
Taijustu 5
Genjustu 3.5
Intelligence 5
Strength 5
Speed 3.5
Stamina 4
Hand Seals 4
Total 35

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According to the 4th Databook Tsunade has the lightning release, earth release, water release, fire release and the yang release.

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Back during the second great Shinobi war Tsunade along with Jiraiya and Orochimaru very early in their shinobi careers fought Hanzo and gained his praise the Sannin.

Can she Handle Speed?

Tsunade first hand witnesses Raikage's power-
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but is still confident in her own ability to take him on.
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Only reason she did not get involved is because Naruto is obviously way faster than her and never allowed her to fight.

And not just that but the Raikage is also confident in her ability to help him take on two Jins.
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This scan below proves Raikage and Tsunade already knew each other before the joint shinobi forces so its not like he has never seen her fight.
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She is being portrayed to be able to handle speed.




VI. Katsuyu
Katsuyu is a slug that hails from Shikkostu forest which is as Mount Myōboku and Ryūchi Cave. Katsuyu is a , Tsunade can only summon sections of her from the forest. Two Byakugo users can summon of Katsuyu so we have yet to see the other 90% of her. Katsuyu's to the Yin seal.


Kuchiyose no Jutsu

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Katsuyu does not need to be summoned directly under Tsunade, she can be summoned in front of her, to the . Katsuyu can be summoned quickly with a and on the floor.

Tsunade can jump in the air and summon Katsuyu in the sky like as the technique is simply summoning a boss summon so they can fall from above on the opponent.

Telepathic Connection with Tsunade(User)
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Tsunade was able to feel what Katsuyu felt and knew where she was, with this she saw Kakashi had died. After CST she was able to sense all the carnage through Katsuyu.

Size and Height
Something that people never take into account when judging Tsunade's abilities. Katsuyu's sheer size alone gives the win to Tsunade in many match ups.
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If you scale techniques to Katsuyu, you will see they dont even reach her half way.

Acid

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Databook 2 - Zesshi Nensan:
NINJUTSU; Zesshi Nensan (Tongue and Teeth Acidic Paste)
User: Katsuyu
Offensive; Close, Medium, Long Ranges; Rank: none

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A highly concentrated acidic paste is suddenly released from the mouth! The acid boasts such high density and concentration it dilutes even stone, vaporizing it! There are no setup moves to do before this jutsu's activation. Thanks to this one can easily strike, catching the enemy unawares, which has the advantage of denying them any opportunity to dodge.

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-Thawing, dissolving and melting* into nothingness, the rain of strong acid causes everything to fade away.

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-The acidic rain is spilled out all of a sudden, with a timing that won't even allow for anticipation! All things it touches will melt away, losing their shapes once and for all (tn: confusing sentence: I don't know if I got it 100% right).


Used with division imagine a bunch of Katsuyu clones shooting acid from every direction, the opponent has no escape. Due to its suddenness its very hard to dodge already.

Look at the amount of acid she is able to spray, it looks like a little compared to Boss Summons but against a little human body its a lot. Look at her range, Manda was across from her she was able to shoot acid across that distance. Compare the boulder it melted, look how big the boulder is compared to Manda's tail. Anyone stupid enough to get near Katsuyu will be melted indefinitely.

The acid has the ability to as well which shows how strong it actually is.


Division

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Databook 2 - Katsuyu Daibunretsu:
NINJUTSU; Katsuyu Daibunretsu (Katsuyu's Grand Division of the Slugs*)
User: Katsuyu
Supplementary; Rank: none

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Capturing her is impossible already! Because she is a boneless mollusk, she has a fantastical ability to transform at will, that of deciding to divide her whole body or to reunite it. All physical attacks are nullified before this technique. No matter how violent the strike, it won't amount to more than a fruitless attempt. The enemy will just exhaust themselves accordingly and eventually fall to the ground.

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-Her mollusk's body, which has no part that can be grasped, brings forth a full-body division!

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-She avoids the attacks by dividing her whole body. And she did so with ease, even against Manda, Orochimaru's summoned Great Snake's firm and tight grip.
*"Katsuyu" is just a custom reading for "namekuji", which translates as "slug".

She can divide at will and easily come together again, capturing her is impossible. Anyone who comes close to her will have to watch out for a bunch of . You never just fight Tsunade, you fight about 1000 others opponents as well.

Liquefying
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She can deconstruct at will and cover a whole battlefield. Since she has a to Tsunade she can pretty much be a radar for Tsunade as she can tell her when an opponent has entered her liquid radius since she will feel them.

This can also be used to quickly move to one place, she can deconstruct and move as a liquid faster than she could in her slug form. It took her seconds to cover the battlefield.

Also if an opponent comes near her she can deconstruct and drown them out.


Durability
Katsuyu is very durable and can absorb people her in, she can pretty be a meat shield for Tsunade against any attack as even if she dies she doesnt really die. Tsunade summoned her to protect the citizens in Konoha and Katsuyu absorbed the impact from CST so it does not really matter what happens to Katsuyu.

Katsuyu absorbing an impact as shown , that fall would have broken Naruto's back had he not been on Katsuyu who took the impact.


Surviving Kyuubi Chakra
Just the 4 tails.
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Tiny Katsuyu survived the chakra of the 6-8 tails.
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This Chakra is very corrosive and acidic as seen by Orochimaru's snake decomposing/metling and then Naruto's skin melting off. Look at all the damage caused by the 3 tails powering up and a little Katsuyu clone was in the middle of all of it.

Surviving against CST
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Katsuyu was in the area of the red boxes, she obviously took the hits at where the destruction was most severe and was decimating things to nothing. She absorbed people and were pushed back. Obviously werent before ST hit. She is shown in areas of destruction [ ][ ][ ][ ][ ][ ] before CST hits.

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Red lines represent the ground level at which Konoha used to be and you can clearly see the gigantic crater it made. It literally dug deep down into the ground definitely hitting all those spots Katsuyu was in, as seen in the red boxes from the previous images above.

Mobility/Speed

As already stated Katsuyu can deconstruct and travel fast across the ground as a liquid and when she splits her parts quickly can come back together. (See Division and Liquefying above)

She was of shizune and the others when Pain's Rhino summon was attacking.

As CST was hitting she was fast enough to whom she was . Just goes to show how fast she can absorb someone.

Countering Genjustu

As long as Katsuyu is on Tsunade's shoulder or as long as Tsunade is on Katsuyu she can constantly break her out of genjustu since Katsuyu directly pours chakra into whoever she is on which would break the person in a genjustu out.

Also this could possible work without Tsunade needing to be touching Katsuyu since she does have a telepathic connection(See Telepathic Connection with Tsunade above) with her she could easily break her out in the same way Bijuus break out their Jins.





That is pretty much everything I have ever put together in regards to Tsunde's abilities + some new stuff. Now all in one thread!
Again, Kakashi doesn't hang without a Dōjutsu.
 
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Lol here you go..

- Kid Kakashi was a Jounin without Sharingan.

- Adult Kakashi with battle experience and Knowledge can't be classified as anything below high jounin.
Great thread, one of the best i've ever seen on this site.

Here's a couple small corrections, against Zabuza, Kakashi wasn't saying he was rusty. He was noting on how it had been awhile since he fought under such a tough situation.

Here's a Viz scan, the other 3 are Viz aswell.



But yes, Kakashi did say in Part one that he was rusty.



Kakashi is definitely is one of the best tacticians in Konoha, (and in the world,) but Gai didn't say he was the best tactician in Konoha. He said something else important.




As for Naruto saying he was smarter than Shikamaru, that is true, this isn't a correction, i just wanted to share the Viz scan cause the translation, and scans are better.

Kakashi probs surpassed hiruzen and equal to minato but great thread one of the best I've seen
List of comments supporting my case. Again Tsunade is only stronger in raw strength and stamina everything else Kakashi beats her in.
 

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List of comments supporting my case. Again Tsunade is only stronger in raw strength and stamina everything else Kakashi beats her in.
How does that debunk anything I posted? Lol

Opinions don't = fact but here you go.
To add on to Portrayal.

- She is also the most accomplished of the Sanin

- Most respect of the Sanin

- Also became hokage, who is usually the strongest from his/her generation

- She was also the main reason konoha won the war.

- Jiraiya and Orochimaru both respect/fear her battle prowess.
2nd great Shinobi war.

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1. "feats".. created an entire shinobi sect of Medical ninjas that is followed by the entire world.. Sorry but her accomplishments are only third to Tobirama and Hashirama.

2. Hiruzen saw himself in Orochimaru (wanting to learn more and more jutsus), just like Kakashi favored Sasuke at the start, did that mean Sasuke > Naruto? no. Tsunade from the start was never interested in the Hokage title, and when she was in the village she was going for Dan to be Hokage. When Orochimar and Jiraiya were considered for Hokage, Tsunade wasn't in the village, nobody knew where she was. She was done with the village. Only an idiot would've tried to make her hokage after she had left the village.

3. Just like she was going to decline, until Naruto changed her mind. :)

4. 2nd shinobi war.. lol. Thats the only war the Sanin were in. Where she was advocating medical ninjutsu and thinking about survival rates of teams. And furthermore, countering poison by chiyo easily. The same war where she displayed feats that lead Jiraiya to state "there are still none who can stand shoulder to shoulder with her in terms of battle".

5. he was fearing Katsuyu.. lol.
The implication is she did the most.

Another translation (the one being used by Narutobase):

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Here's more..

To add on to Portrayal.

- She is also the most accomplished of the Sanin

- Most respect of the Sanin

- Also became hokage, who is usually the strongest from his/her generation

- She was also the main reason konoha won the war.

- Jiraiya and Orochimaru both respect/fear her battle prowess.
2nd great Shinobi war.

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1. "feats".. created an entire shinobi sect of Medical ninjas that is followed by the entire world.. Sorry but her accomplishments are only third to Tobirama and Hashirama.

2. Hiruzen saw himself in Orochimaru (wanting to learn more and more jutsus), just like Kakashi favored Sasuke at the start, did that mean Sasuke > Naruto? no. Tsunade from the start was never interested in the Hokage title, and when she was in the village she was going for Dan to be Hokage. When Orochimar and Jiraiya were considered for Hokage, Tsunade wasn't in the village, nobody knew where she was. She was done with the village. Only an idiot would've tried to make her hokage after she had left the village.

3. Just like she was going to decline, until Naruto changed her mind. :)

4. 2nd shinobi war.. lol. Thats the only war the Sanin were in. Where she was advocating medical ninjutsu and thinking about survival rates of teams. And furthermore, countering poison by chiyo easily. The same war where she displayed feats that lead Jiraiya to state "there are still none who can stand shoulder to shoulder with her in terms of battle".

5. he was fearing Katsuyu.. lol.
The implication is she did the most.

Another translation (the one being used by Narutobase):

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Ice, you're setting up straw men now.
I didn't argue that Tsunade had the same feats, I argued that there was not a time in which she had to deduce the power of her opponents. Therefore, you cannot compare her deductive abilities in battle to Temari's.

Secondly, the amount in which the databook hypes Tsunade's intelligence is irrelevant as it does hype her intelligence. In fact, it gives her a 5 in intelligence. That's the highest hype the databook can give, compared to 4 that Temari receives. The deductive abilities that you praise during the chuunin exams only earned Temari a 2.5 in intelligence suggesting that Tsunade's deductive ability is of a completely different caliber.

Accordng to the Databook, Tsunade is also more intelligent than Shizune. But let's talk about Tsunade's intelligence then.
Tsunade’s Intelligence:
As Tsunade is the world’s best doctor it should be obvious that she is indeed intelligent. However, I cannot make such a claim without backing it up. Because her medical knowledge is beyond apparent, I will speak more about her practical knowledge. One of the things Tsunade was praised for by Kabuto was her intelligence.
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What Kabuto says allows us to know that Tsunade had an excellent understanding of war and battle. She was the first of generations of people and multitudes of nations, who proposed having medical assistance in the field.
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From this we can gather that Tsunade’s understanding of was advanced she understood the necessity, and that was why Jiraiya said she was important in konoha’s victory in the second war. It’s also evident she knows what is necessary when fighting many enemies as she talked about covert ops, as well as fighting a few enemies such as in this war. She knew that for this kind of a battle, contrary to the ideas of Shikaku that Bee’s and Naruto’s strength would be necessary to win.
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In her rules for medical ninja, and in her instruction of Sakura we see her knowledge of battle.
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In combat she has created diversion for the enemy; against Madara she used herself as a diversion.
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Tsunade is able to understand how motivation affects people and their performance on the battlefield.
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While Tsunade is an emotional person, she is able to rationalize and objectively analyze situations.
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Tsunade can reason on the motives of her enemies and spot traps ahead of time.
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Tsunade here indicates that she didn't just stick Yamato with team Kakashi for kicks and giggles nor just because of him being powerful, but also because he mokuton includes Chakra suppression.
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Tsunade also shows that she knew that if the Hidden Leaf really crumbled then Naruto would be in grave danger, thus he had to fight to defend it if he had any chance in being safe.
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In stressful situations Tsunade has managed to deduce information about the enemy and provide quick leadership and formulate a solid plan of defense. And she knew a means to hand out information instanteously is paramount. And therefore, she knows the value of information and thus would strive to obtain it through whatever means necessary.
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Tsunade has also shown her ability to think up counters to enemies unusual abilities once she has information on them.
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As opposed to most people Tsunade was able to perceive that Pein was about to launch a large scale attack.
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Her attention to detail allows her to quickly analyze and make deductions.
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She is intelligent enough to be highly deceptive when she so chooses.
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Tsunade was outwitted? By one of the people who outwitted the entire shinobi world? Let's just hope that Temari was never outwitted. And perhaps Tsunade was outwitted by Kabuto for a moment, however, she flipped that situation on its head and let her vulnerability turn into a trap for Kabuto.


Actually, them being able to tag Temari means just that. Your argument is Tsunade is easier to tag than Temari. Thus, the only way to test the argument is by putting Temari in the situations in which Tsunade's been tagged. If Temari gets tagged as much or more, your argument fails. The reverse is put Tsunade in Temari's situations if she doesn't get tagged or gets tagged less, your argument fails.

Additionally, you're wrong. I've read you're thread, and Temari can outpower two of the former gokage in destructive power. Ay and Mei. Neither of their styles necessitate completely obliterating their opponent. But if you compare the wildly random kirikirimae to a direct hit from Byakugou Tsunade, Sand Tsunami and Giant Sand Burial, or Jinton. Kirikirimae will be the least lethal of the three.
Actually Ice I have few questions. Since Tsunade has been in two actual battles in the manga, one against Kabuto & Orochimaru, and the other against Madara how do you imagine that Temari's analysis of Shikamaru's style is comparable to Tsunade. Here is what I mean, against Kabuto, she faced a medical nin, Tsunade is basically the pioneer of medical ninjutsu what exactly what she supposed to analyze about Kabuto's fighting style? Or what of Orochimaru?
She knew he couldn't use jutsu, and she's witnessed his physical abilities, what should she have analyzed there. Or when she fought Madara, she again had knowledge that he possessed Mokuton, Katon, Sharingan, and Rinnegan and she was aware of the implications of those abilities. The only thing she couldn't gauge was the degree to which he could manifest his power (Flower Tree World, PS), so in your description of Temari's analysis skills, you neglect to mention, there is no frame of reference for Tsunade. In order to know what her analytical abilities are like she'd have to face someone she hadn't already had information on which doesn't seem to happen.

In reference to your last paragraph, I imagine, that Kabuto, Orochimaru, and Madara could all tag Temari. If you switch Tsunade and Temari in battle, Tsunade could handle every scenario Temari has been it, granted she may not be as good of a counter, but she'd make it. The same cannot be said in reverse, if Temari found herself facing the odds Tsunade had she'd be tagged and killed far easier.

Though, I'd concede that Temari has longer range than Tsunade, which is hardly important as Temari is a distance fighter.
While Kamatari may have a greater blast range, it is far less useful than Katsuyu. Not only is Katsuyu capable of healing, and spitting acid, but she can divide a large number of times and allow Tsunade to surround her opponent, or scout the landscape, especially with their telepathic connection. Further, Katsuyu's ability to liquefy creates terrific offensive strategies against those who fight CQC. In addition to Katsuyu's ability to serve as a defensive summon.

Also if we talk pure destructive force, Tsunade may still take Temari on that front. As I don't imagine Temari having the destructive force to tear through Susano, or to hurt Manda for that matter.
 

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<div class="bbWrapper">Most likely not although we haven't seen the newer kage feats, meanwhile Sasuke was shown obliterating a meteor and rinnegan improving.</div>
 

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rinnegan genjutsu solos those fodders. they would do best not to even think of approaching him, yet alone try to capture and imprison otherwise they get slaughtered with ease.
 

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How does that debunk anything I posted? Lol

Opinions don't = fact but here you go.








Here's more..

Fellow shinobi,

The aim of this thread is to clear up a misconception regarding no-sharingan Kakashi. Many people have been assuming that Kakashi is now a fodder shinobi that is below or on the same level as Zabuza (due to the loss of his sharingan). In this thread I hope to demonstrate that Kakashi is still a kage-level shinobi and that he is well qualified to lead and defend the village without his sharingan. I’m only going to be discussing his ninjutsu, taijutsu, stamina and intelligence prowess. I know this a really long thread (sorry) but I’ve tried to organize it.

Firstly, let’s see what abilities Kakashi gained from his sharingan:

• Sharingan/MS precognition to have enhanced reflexes
• The ability to use Raikiri effectively against high level enemies
• Sharingan/MS genjutsu
• The ability to copy and preempt ninjutsu, taijutsu and genjutsu
• The ability to warp himself to teleport from the real world in Kamui dimension and the opposite.
• The ability to one-shot nearly every enemy he could ever face with Kamui, something that made him actually able to contend with nearly every character in the manga, no matter how strong and powerful.

By losing the sharingan, Kakashi has lost these abilities (aww). But, we are forgetting what he still possesses that still makes him a beast.

Hatake Kakashi was a genius since his childhood: graduated on academy at 5 years old, became a chunin at 6 years old, and became a jonin between 10-12 years old. He is the son of the White Fang Sakumo Hatake and was trained by the 4th hokage, who renowned his strength and hyped his skill and speed. Child Kakashi learned Rasengan and from that created Chidori (after failing to infuse Rasengan with lightning). He could make jonin rank when people like young Neji, young Sasuke etc (great talents) didn't even make the academy.

Kakashi is known throughout the narutoverse by his name. He is the protagonist teacher to Indra and Ashura's reincarnations. Throughout his life, Kakashi has gone toe-to-toe with the strongest ninja, and has utilized his sharingan so effectively with the giant handicap of not being an Uchiha in first place. Kakashi is the rival of Maito Gai, the man that, using his extreme power, kicked Madara’s ass and is hyped to be above the combined Gokage (tens of times according to VIZ scan). Kakashi is also the nemesis of Obito and he outsmarted/out-reacted him a lot of times, and in their final fight he won, and Obito admitted inferiority to him (I’m aware that Obito wanted to remove the seal, but that’s a different discussion).

He has fought/faced off against formidable opponents such as Zabuza, Orochimaru, Guy (rivalry), Kabuto (part 1), Itachi, Kisame, Kakuzu, Hidan, Deidara, Pain, Obito, Sasuke, the Juubi, Tobi, Madara, Kaguya, etc. He has even met the Sage of Six Paths and utilized his chakra at one point. My point here is that Kakashi has gained an unbelievable amount of battle experience over the years that would greatly assist him as the Hokage.

KAKASHIS NINJUTSU PROWESS [NO SHARINGAN]

Kakashi's ninjutsu arsenal is clearly one of the best in the series. As a former Mangekyo Sharingan wielder, he is renowned as being able to use more than 1000 jutsu, the master of three elemental affinities, and an absolute expert, in the Raiton/Lightning Style ninjutsu. Part 1 Kakashi was said to be Konoha's best technician ( ). He can wield Raikiri in CQC in his hands or in his weapons to make his attacks unstoppable ( ). He can make his Raikiri into a wolf, he can chain it with another Raikiri and create one of the more powerful cutting jutsu/attacks in the series. He can also use Raiton Kage Bunshin, that when destroyed by the opponent shock and paralyze them, and he is an absolute master with top notch skill in the bushin jutsus.

Kakashi can use also the Rasengan, without any need of help to create it in his hand. Kakashi can use powerful Suiton ninjutsu, even without any preexistent water source, as Daibafuku, Suiryodan and Suijinheki. He is also skilled in Doton ninjutsu with Doryuheki and the Moguragakure no jutsu, that can be a low level jutsu, but is made as an exceptional support technique thanks to Kakashi's pure skill as a ninja fighter. Kakashi's hand seals are some of the most skilled and fastest in the series. In part 1 he could manage to hold off his own with his personal ninjutsu against Itachi's exceptionally fast ninjutsu speed, and he can perform ninjutsu in mid CQC combat ( ).

His kage-bunshin feints and overall skill with his techniques are some the best we have seen in the entire series. For example, when going up against Pain, Kakashi managed to understand Deva’s powers (the strongest body) as well as trick him three times (two without the kamui). In the end, Pain did not kill him, but Kakashi sacrificed himself to save Chocho’s fathers life. He has also shown to be able to trick, Itachi, Zabuza, Hidan, Obito, and many others during combat.

Kakashi is also able to summon a pack of ninken of various breeds. Much like his combat skills, Kakashi's use of these summons is highly versatile, ranging from attacking and restraining his opponents. He can combine his Summoning Technique and his Doton skills to have his hounds burrow and erupt from the ground in order to help subdue his enemies. Black Zetsu's words put Kakashi in the same boat of Minato as an equal ( ). Against most high-level techniques, he has advanced knowledge of their working, and is able to dispel genjutsu as well ( ). Kakashi has also developed considerable prowess in fūinjutsu, something that even Orochimaru found impressive given Kakashi's age ( ).

KAKASHIS STAMINA [NO SHARINGAN]

Let’s just quickly discuss his stamina growth. In early part 1, when out of shape, he could use the Sharingan for only a short time, and then when he started to regain his shape he could go up on use 4 Raikiri + Sharingan. At the beginning of Shippuden he could use the Sharingan for an entire night while testing Naruto and Sakura. After that, he used Kamui 3 times against Deidara (one against a giant explosion). Against Kakuzu/Hidan and against Pain he showed an even increased stamina. In the War Arc Kakashi could use 5 Kamui one after another and with perfect prowess, while at the same time he was using the Sharingan and some strong ninjutsu, as Raikiri and Raiden, before exhausting his reserves. After coming back from the Kamui dimension in chapter 655, he used the Kamui for 7 times with exceptional prowess as well and in fast succession and other jutsu. My point here is that Kakashi’s stamina has dramatically increased and without the sharingan straining his body he is able to last in combat for much longer and use more jutsu.

Although the sharingan served him well, it also had a weakness as it drained his chakra at a very fast rate. Now that he doesn't have it, he should last longer in a fight and is still able to use the jutsu he has acquired over the years. We saw how long Kakashi lasted while spamming Kamui in the war-arc, so we know that he could last much longer in a battle without the sharingan. He may have lost the sharingan, he has not lost the tons of battle experience that he has gained by going up against the strongest ninja in the verse (and literally going against the strongest).

KAKASHI'S SPEED, TAIJUTSU, PHYSICAL PROWESS [NO SHARINGAN]

First of all: Part 1 Kakashi has stated multiple times that he was out of shape, meaning he may have been rusty ( )( ).

Kakashi has been portrayed as a speedster since his childhood ( ), even by Minato himself who acknowledged him as such ( ). Child Kakashi before Sharingan could go toe on toe with experienced jonin in taijutsu ( ), with two tomoe Sharingan could blitz jonin with Chidori ( ).

With a mere kunai in his hand, Kakashi could stop the swing of Zabuza's Kubikirihocho sword ( ); he also showed great taijutsu skill ( )( )( ) and we know that he has always been sparring with the absolute master of taijutsu, Maito Gai. Part 1 Kakashi could also dodge and blitz Zabuza several times ( ). Kakashi could open at least the 1st Gate ( ), powering up his speed and strength, already on really good levels.

Beginning of Shippuden Kakashi could easily handle a Shoten Itachi (30% of Itachi's chakra but perfectly equal skills in taijutsu, speed, everything) in a CQC battle, even using a Kage Bunshin to fool him. If Naruto was not present, Kakashi could have easily made another kage bunshin underground and killed fake Itachi when he grabbed him.

Shippuden Kakashi could dodge a forest-destroying attack (Kakuzu's Fuuton: Atsugai) at point blank and with his attention divided by the taijutsu fight against Hidan (where, even with an injured arm, he was taking care of him with ease using just a mere kunai against his scythe), keeping up with Kakuzu's masks and taking an eye on team 10... and right after that quickly intercept Kakuzu's fast Raiton ninjutsu with a DOUBLE Raikiri, saving team 10's asses. With a little distraction, Kakashi could blitz Kakuzu who didn't even perceive his fast attack, even if we know that Kakuzu has so fine reflexes and perception skills that he can perceive Shikamaru's Kagemane (who obviously doesn't make any noise) approaching his back. It's worth note that Kakashi attacked so fast that even Hidan and the team 10 members, who were facing Kakuzu and so had free sight of what was happening behind him, were completely surprised.

Kakashi could nearly blitz Asura Path with his raw speed, dodging his attacks and appearing at his back. Kakashi is so fast that he was paced two times with Six Gated Gai ( ) and managed to counterblitz the V2 who were fighting KCM Naruto and Bee landing Raikiri on them ( ). Kakashi, right after regaining his mindset, outreacted and outspeeded Obito who had the same physical speed of no Shunshin KCM Naruto ( ). Kakashi was also called fast by Obito when he quickly appeared at his back ( ). Kakashi also proved to be faster and better in CQC than Obito more than once. Kakashi could also canonically move and react at least on par with Minato in physical speed ( )

Kakashi tanked like nothing a surprise Domu-enhanced kick from Kakuzu that send him flying for metres away and breaking some giant trees, a couple of Shinra Tensei, and didn't lose consciousness even from the 3rd, as Choza did. Kakashi also fought a lot of times with wounds and injuries without his performance being hindered. Kakashi can also wield the Kubikirihocho with just one hand with great skill for hours, and his physical strength is so high to make Obito internally bleed with just a couple of punches. Also as said before he can stop a Kubikirihocho swing with a mere and small kunai.

Kakashi is a highly-skilled user in a large variety of weapons such as bows and arrows, kusarigama, chains, wire strings and others. Since early childhood, Kakashi had highly proficient skill in kenjutsu, able to wield his father's signature tantō effectively enough to be mistaken for Sakumo. Due to his ANBU background, Kakashi's sword skill was especially improved. His weapon-skills are also very adaptable, even able to effectively use Kubikiribōchō, a blade of unique shape with noticeable size and weight, to defeat kenjutsu specialists like the Seven Mist Swordsmen after just gaining possession of it. He can also enhance his physical tools, channelling lightning-nature chakra through them. Remember when he saved Obito, Sakura and himself from falling into lava upon arriving in one of Kaguya's dimensions with a couple of kunai and a scroll? That's some Kakashi level business right there.

KAKASHIS INTELLIGENCE

Repeatedly, Kakashi has proven himself to be a very shrewd and resourceful man, regularly having his opinion asked for by Tsunade, the Fifth Hokage. By a quite young age, Kakashi had enough experience on the battlefield to detect a hiding enemy's presence, impressing his sensei, Minato. Kakashi has even been noted to be smarter than Shikamaru Nara; a ninja well-known for his insightful, and calculating nature ( ). His instincts also allow him to calmly effectively perceive and react to any incoming danger. Yamato notes that Kakashi has his way with words and can be a persuasive speaker, though his arguments are more of a logical nature than of emotional one like those of Naruto Uzumaki. He is also very capable in deception, regularly using his opponents' own tactics against them. He is also good at discerning what emotional nature of people and determine its source as demonstrated in his thoughts about Obito. Kakashi's intellect has proven itself against various S-rank ninja, including members of Akatsuki, showing undeniable perceptive and analytical skills, able to quickly and single-handedly deduce the workings of the most mysterious enemy techniques and plot successful diversions in order to verify his theories (most of the time proving them correct). He is aided in this regard by his calm personality, which allows him to handle a given situation with some detachment. He is also knowledgeable of other Mangekyō Sharingan techniques ( ) ( ) as well as the risks the dōjutsu poses to the user's eyesight. Itachi, once again acknowledges the extent of Kakashi’s understanding of the Sharingan ( ).

His long career as a jōnin, and formerly as an ANBU, have only expanded his knowledge, allowing him to handle virtually any situation. For these reasons Kakashi has been assigned to a variety of teams — always as the leader — and he is always able to work well with his team-mates. Chōza Akimichi tributes Kakashi's success to his approach to battles: he avoids direct combat by using misdirection and clones until he can determine the opponent's skills, at which point he modifies his tactics to fit the situation ( ). Kakashi has also shown repeatedly to be a highly capable teacher. He has come up with various unorthodox methods to help his students produce impressive leaps in their abilities in weeks what would normally take months if not years of intense training.

A man who epitomizes versatility, Kakashi's expertise is not limited to the three major ninja skill sets; he is renowned for his tracking abilities and has otherwise displayed proficiency with trap-making, medical, survival, escapism, stealth, subterfuge, and assassination. Even without the sharingan, Kakashi is still a highly formidable fighter, able to use knowledge of his surroundings, other senses, allies, and enemies to perceive the situation and overwhelm his opponents.

I’ve tried my best to regroup Kakashi's best sharingan-less feats and the best statements in regard of his general value as a ninja. I hope my work helps people to understand how strong and how skilled he is without his sharingan. I’ve probably missed many feats (please tell me if I have), but this is a fair introduction of the abilities of the 6th Hokage, Hatake Kakashi.
- Kid Kakashi was a Jounin without Sharingan.

- Adult Kakashi with battle experience and Knowledge can't be classified as anything below high jounin.
Great thread, one of the best i've ever seen on this site.

Here's a couple small corrections, against Zabuza, Kakashi wasn't saying he was rusty. He was noting on how it had been awhile since he fought under such a tough situation.

Here's a Viz scan, the other 3 are Viz aswell.



But yes, Kakashi did say in Part one that he was rusty.



Kakashi is definitely is one of the best tacticians in Konoha, (and in the world,) but Gai didn't say he was the best tactician in Konoha. He said something else important.




As for Naruto saying he was smarter than Shikamaru, that is true, this isn't a correction, i just wanted to share the Viz scan cause the translation, and scans are better.

Kakashi probs surpassed hiruzen and equal to minato but great thread one of the best I've seen
Sorry but like I said Tsunade is just aging she's getting weaker and weaker while Kakashi is still young. The only thing she got is her lifeforce which dwindling down sorry but Kakashi wrecks .
 
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