Could Jiraiya have truly matched Itachi back then?

[LitzSabr]

I like how people think that everyone could just prepare themselves against Tsukuyomi and Amaterasu. Raikage A had to use maximum speed, in order to escape the Sharingans sight, Kabuto had to close his eyes for not being affected by Uchiha Genjutsu. Not only that Amaterasu appears wherever the Sharingan aims for, the Sharingan itself is endowed with great insight abilities, able to read and to predict the opponents moves. Itachi has abilities that can one shot you by just standing around and looking at you. Above, he has Susanoo, which weapons make him according to Zetsu completely invincible, able to repel and to crush anything.

Jiraiya has no chance..

Making a list of moves prove nothing, first get one thing clear, dont compare jiraiya to kabuto or sasuke. In jiraiya's fight with pain, he only got hit when he was careless. He kept up with six hypersonic bodies, thats for all the people who say jiraiya is slow. p.s the sage mode gives him strength which is far above itachi's level so you might wanna forget about losing at taijutsu or something similar. Obtaining prep time wont be a problem for jiraiya, he can just summon gamabunta/ken/hiro for that and there is no way Itachi can beat that thing without using amaterasu. But burning that whole frog will surely tire him out, putting him at a great disadvantage, his chakra reserves are even less than Sasukes'.
Now to dispel genjutsu jiraiya can use the toad elders, Besides any genjutsu under tsukuyomi isn't going to work, Jiraiya was also shown to be able to dispel genjutsu. Now tsukuyomi is instant and fukasaku and shima wont be able to dispel that but that technique cant be done by pointing a finger. Opponent has to look into MS, which if you think a man as experienced as jiraiya would do while fighring an uchiha then there is no hope for you.

Susanoo: first of all its not going to be used anymore than like 10 minutes, itachi dont have the stamina to keep it up for a long time. Second It dont protect someone against sound genjutsu and jiraiya has the strongest sound genjutsu(toads) which is arguably better than tsukuyomi.

Totsuka blade: When is the last time we saw totsuka blade sealing an opponent besides men who have no mobility. I've already explained jiraiya's skills in taijutsu so dodginga blade as big as that wont be difficult. Remember it needs to pierce the opponent not just slash them to seal em. The orochimaro snake heads or kimimaro bones never got sealed after they were cut by totsuka blade, now that makes things more ugly for itachi to hit jiraiya.

Amaterasu: Requires prep, jiraiya ain't giving any, he has superior taijutsu +toads, handling that is a little bit difficult for itachi. Besides I'm not sure if itachi can use this technique any more than 2 times in a battle and "by chance" if he does hit jiraiya behing his toad, its still not an instant death, he can seal the flames. Obito also got "hit" by amaterasu but even after that he managed to counter it and afterwards didn't show any signs of pain.

Besides with collaboration Jiraiya has better fire jutsu than itachi. How is itachi going to counter the swamp barrier? There's no hiding from jiraiya as he can sense chakra in sage mode. Itachi will lose this battle.

 

[Owarij]

And you think he would just stand there and let Itachi prepare Amaterasu,

Prepare? are you joking? Jiraya , firstly , has no knowledge of the workings on Amaterasu or Tsukyomi.. not to mention that that "prep" of amaterasu is only one or two secs at most.... we've seen many times in the manga thus far that Itachi and sasuke can use amaterasu extremely fast when the situation needs it.....

FACTS-
Jiraya's summons can be controlled by sharingan and turned against him
Jiraya cannot dodge amaterasu
Jiraya has no unique genjutsu fighting skills that will make him any different than kakashi in part 1
Jiraya needs upwards of 8mins just to summon the elder frogs and enter sage mode
Did i mention jiraya can't dodge amaterasu ? right


To sum it up, here's how this fight will go..

Itachi won't even need MS .. nope, this fight will go exactly how the Itachi vs Orochimaru fight went... a Paralysis genjutsu followed by his head getting cut off... Jirarya has nothing.. and I mean nothing, to even pose as a challenge to Itachi.. and i'm still waiting on the magical counters to amaterasu and tsukyomi

There are seriously some dense people on this forum..

 

[Strawberry]

He said the best they could hope for was a win.

I already made a thread about it in which I explained why I think Itachi really meant that.

Proof is that he used Amaterasu to escape.

Because he wanted to conserve his health to fight sasuke, obviously jiraiya is no push over it would have taken time, chakra, ms and backup would have arrived.

 

[jay2512]

jiraiya beats itachi 2/10 times, and that's just being nice to his character

 

[Strawberry]

Prepare? are you joking? Jiraya , firstly , has no knowledge of the workings on Amaterasu or Tsukyomi.. not to mention that that "prep" of amaterasu is only one or two secs at most.... we've seen many times in the manga thus far that Itachi and sasuke can use amaterasu extremely fast when the situation needs it.....

FACTS-
Jiraya's summons can be controlled by sharingan and turned against him
Jiraya cannot dodge amaterasu
Jiraya has no unique genjutsu fighting skills that will make him any different than kakashi in part 1
Jiraya needs upwards of 8mins just to summon the elder frogs and enter sage mode
Did i mention jiraya can't dodge amaterasu ? right


To sum it up, here's how this fight will go..

Itachi won't even need MS .. nope, this fight will go exactly how the Itachi vs Orochimaru fight went... a Paralysis genjutsu followed by his head getting cut off... Jirarya has nothing.. and I mean nothing, to even pose as a challenge to Itachi.. and i'm still waiting on the magical counters to amaterasu and tsukyomi

There are seriously some dense people on this forum..[/COLOR]

Yes this is true aswell jiraiya didnt know how amaterasu worked and he was way too cocky... im gona kill you both, he doesnt know about 2 of the uhcihas most deadly techniques than going into battle was dumb....he underestimated itachi there

 

[pateuvasiliu]

Because he wanted to conserve his health to fight sasuke, obviously jiraiya is no push over it would have taken time, chakra, ms and backup would have arrived.

That was 3 years and a half before he died.

Kishi didn't even know Itachi was sick back then.

I am willing to bet he wasn't even devised as a double agent.

 

[Owarij]

That was 3 years and a half before he died.

Kishi didn't even know Itachi was sick back then.

I am willing to bet he wasn't even devised as a double agent.

Spouting nonsense? databooks one and two are filled with hints that Itachi had ulterior motives to his actions... "What are his reasons for not killing Kakashi etc"... Kishi new he was supposed to be good since the beginning

 

[AGoodBoy]

"Block amaterasu with hair"
" seal amaterasu while it's on him"
"Entry sage mode"
"Itachi won't get time to prep amaterasu but jiraiya preps sm "
"Summon frogs" ask manda and kurama how that worked out for them
"Won't get hit by genjutsu"
"Mystically gets through yata"
"Runs away from amaterasu"
"Better fire techs than an uchiha"
"Faster than itachi"
"Won't get hit by tsukuyomi cause I said so"
"Mystically survives susanoo"
"Survived against 1 shitty path to get into sm. Survived 2 more. Died the second all 6 came but suddenly a god, so that's my argument"

Oh boy.. And itachi fans are the crazy ones... :leaf::leaf:
The polls are way too close, I'm losing faith in nb

 

[UchihaInza]

it would have been scary..to much power in one fight..would luv to see it

 

[LitzSabr]

Prepare? are you joking? Jiraya , firstly , has no knowledge of the workings on Amaterasu or Tsukyomi.. not to mention that that "prep" of amaterasu is only one or two secs at most.... we've seen many times in the manga thus far that Itachi and sasuke can use amaterasu extremely fast when the situation needs it.....

FACTS-
Jiraya's summons can be controlled by sharingan and turned against him
Jiraya cannot dodge amaterasu
Jiraya has no unique genjutsu fighting skills that will make him any different than kakashi in part 1
Jiraya needs upwards of 8mins just to summon the elder frogs and enter sage mode
Did i mention jiraya can't dodge amaterasu ? right


To sum it up, here's how this fight will go..

Itachi won't even need MS .. nope, this fight will go exactly how the Itachi vs Orochimaru fight went... a Paralysis genjutsu followed by his head getting cut off... Jirarya has nothing.. and I mean nothing, to even pose as a challenge to Itachi.. and i'm still waiting on the magical counters to amaterasu and tsukyomi

There are seriously some dense people on this forum..[/COLOR]

Now listen kid,
. 2-3 secs? For Jiraiya That enough to punch him in the face
. Jiraiya's summons can be freed from genjutsu, no one falls for the same trick again
. Jiraiya had great chakra control, he tried to teach naruto how to break genjutsu nut unfortunately naruto sucked. What makes you deny this fact?
. Amaterasu? Read my previous post for its weakness and how can jiraiya counter it,

Anything else you want to say, except your imagination?

"Block amaterasu with hair"
" seal amaterasu while it's on him"
"Entry sage mode"
"Itachi won't get time to prep amaterasu but jiraiya preps sm "
"Summon frogs" ask manda and kurama how that worked out for them
"Won't get hit by genjutsu"
"Mystically gets through yata"
"Runs away from amaterasu"
"Better fire techs than an uchiha"
"Faster than itachi"
"Won't get hit by tsukuyomi cause I said so"
"Mystically survives susanoo"
"Survived against 1 shitty path to get into sm. Survived 2 more. Died the second all 6 came but suddenly a god, so that's my argument"

Oh boy.. And itachi fans are the crazy ones... :leaf::leaf:
The polls are way too close, I'm losing faith in nb

I gave the facts about everything I said while you can only joke??

 

[AGoodBoy]

Now listen kid,
. 2-3 secs? For Jiraiya That enough to punch him in the face
. Jiraiya's summons can be freed from genjutsu, no one falls for the same trick again
. Jiraiya had great chakra control, he tried to teach naruto how to break genjutsu nut unfortunately naruto sucked. What makes you deny this fact?
. Amaterasu? Read my previous post for its weakness and how can jiraiya counter it,

Anything else you want to say, except your imagination?

You are Beyond stupid.
In your lala land jiraiya preps his 10 minute am but itachi can't prepare his 2 sec ama. Next you'll say kakashi has no time to prep his 2 sec kamui

 

[LitzSabr]

You are Beyond stupid.
In your lala land jiraiya preps his 10 minute am but itachi can't prepare his 2 sec ama. Next you'll say kakashi has no time to prep his 2 sec kamui

Jiraiya has backup to support him get his prep time,
Anything else?

 

[jay2512]

Now listen kid,
. 2-3 secs? For Jiraiya That enough to punch him in the face
. Jiraiya's summons can be freed from genjutsu, no one falls for the same trick again
. Jiraiya had great chakra control, he tried to teach naruto how to break genjutsu nut unfortunately naruto sucked. What makes you deny this fact?
. Amaterasu? Read my previous post for its weakness and how can jiraiya counter it,

Anything else you want to say, except your imagination?



I gave the facts about everything I said while you can only joke??

-if jiraiya could pull off punching itachi in that 2-3 seconds, itachi has way more than enough time to make that person he's punching, into an exploding clone.
-jiraiyas summons can be freed from genjutsu? by jiraiya? if he's freeing them from genjutsu, he's not fighting his opponent.
-jiraiya having great chakra control doesn't mean he's immune to genjutsu. sure he can break it, but in the time frame of breaking the genjutsu, itachi would make quick work. kind of like orochimaru losing his hand.
-jiraiya isn't dodging amaterasu period

 

[jay2512]

"Block amaterasu with hair"
" seal amaterasu while it's on him"
"Entry sage mode"
"Itachi won't get time to prep amaterasu but jiraiya preps sm "
"Summon frogs" ask manda and kurama how that worked out for them
"Won't get hit by genjutsu"
"Mystically gets through yata"
"Runs away from amaterasu"
"Better fire techs than an uchiha"
"Faster than itachi"
"Won't get hit by tsukuyomi cause I said so"
"Mystically survives susanoo"
"Survived against 1 shitty path to get into sm. Survived 2 more. Died the second all 6 came but suddenly a god, so that's my argument"

Oh boy.. And itachi fans are the crazy ones... :leaf::leaf:
The polls are way too close, I'm losing faith in nb

this is perfect.

 

[Ψ Veritas Ψ]

this isnt fair, there is no option for jiraya's victory

id say if faced to face in a battle of death with jiraya vs itachi "the itachi who fought sasuke not edo itachi", then jiraya would win!

 

[LitzSabr]

-if jiraiya could pull off punching itachi in that 2-3 seconds, itachi has way more than enough time to make that person he's punching, into an exploding clone.
-jiraiyas summons can be freed from genjutsu? by jiraiya? if he's freeing them from genjutsu, he's not fighting his opponent.
-jiraiya having great chakra control doesn't mean he's immune to genjutsu. sure he can break it, but in the time frame of breaking the genjutsu, itachi would make quick work. kind of like orochimaru losing his hand.
-jiraiya isn't dodging amaterasu period

-Making clone and not amaterasu? Then there's no need for Jiraiya to punch, you consider that man an idiot?
-How much time does it take to free someone from genjutsu, you just have to be in contact
-Orochimaru didn't tried to dispel it, he is also not shown to be able to do it
-I never said anything about dodging, maybe you didn't read what I said


Hm, the asker changed the poll:|

 

[AGoodBoy]

Jiraiya has backup to support him get his prep time,
Anything else?

You really are dense. He has no backup. He only did his bus on pain because he fought summoning path.
Summon vs summon
Kishi had to use a bit of plot to get jiraiya into small otherwise fight would be 1 panel

Itachi doesn't fight on jiraiyas plane. He uses genjutsu and 1 shot moves. Jiraiya won't get 10 mins. Just talking to itachi means you're in genjutsu. Go read the ****ing manga.everyone who's fought itachi was in genjutsu but thought they were in the real world.
Deidara almost blew himself up
Sasuke fought in an illusion and didn't notice at first with his sharing an
Naruto is always in a genjutsu when he meets itachi
Kakashigot stomped with tsuky

Jiraiya doesn't know about mama or tsuk
Jiraiya loses before fight starts.
The first thing jiraiya has to do before he begins to fight is know if he's in a genjutsu and then break out of it

But hey you're stupid and you have 'manga a fact' convenient for the stupid
No amount of logic works here

 

[Owarij]

Don't waste your time on litzsaber, reply to Jiraya supporters with a tad bit more common sense and at least a basic understanding of the manga

 

[LitzSabr]

You really are dense. He has no backup. He only did his bus on pain because he fought summoning path.
Summon vs summon
Kishi had to use a bit of plot to get jiraiya into small otherwise fight would be 1 panel

Itachi doesn't fight on jiraiyas plane. He uses genjutsu and 1 shot moves. Jiraiya won't get 10 mins. Just talking to itachi means you're in genjutsu. Go read the ****ing manga.everyone who's fought itachi was in genjutsu but thought they were in the real world.
Deidara almost blew himself up
Sasuke fought in an illusion and didn't notice at first with his sharing an
Naruto is always in a genjutsu when he meets itachi
Kakashigot stomped with tsuky

Jiraiya doesn't know about mama or tsuk
Jiraiya loses before fight starts.
The first thing jiraiya has to do before he begins to fight is know if he's in a genjutsu and then break out of it

But hey you're stupid and you have 'manga a fact' convenient for the stupid
No amount of logic works here

Let me summarize your post,

-Jiraiya wont summon any toad and stand inn front of Itachi holding his hands together.
-Itachi fought ninjas not on the level of Jiraiya, so he can beat Jiraiya
-Jiraiya cant break through Genjutsu by disturbing his chakra.

Good going

Don't waste your time on litzsaber, reply to Jiraya supporters with a tad bit more common sense and at least a basic understanding of the manga

Thats what I'm saying to them, reply with common sense

 

[jay2512]

-Making clone and not amaterasu? Then there's no need for Jiraiya to punch, you consider that man an idiot?
-How much time does it take to free someone from genjutsu, you just have to be in contact
-Orochimaru didn't tried to dispel it, he is also not shown to be able to do it
-I never said anything about dodging, maybe you didn't read what I said

-no jiraiya's no idiot, that's why he kept eye contact with a sharingan user who specializes in ocular genjutsu above every character in the show.
-okay lets say jiraiya is staying in contact with all of his summons, then he wouldn't be able to move as freely as he would if he's relying on his supports to help him.
-orochimaru was trying to dispel it..
-yes i did read what you posted. you were basically trying to say, amaterasu wont finish the summons because it doesn't cause drastic pain due to someone like obito surviving and jiraiya can set aside time to seal the flames.. yeahhh..