Could Hashirama Cells cure Itachi and Kimimaro of their illnesses?

Exaar

Kage in the Making 👑
Legendary
Joined
Jul 2, 2011
Messages
12,773
Reaction score
1,296
No they're not the databook refers to physical stamina look at rock Lee's it reads 5. Now do you have something to substantiate your claim instead of opinion spiritual energy can't be increased stamina can.
Also the stat would read chakra not stamina if it was as you say it is.

You can see in the scan iv'e shown you.

Physical energy + Mental energy = Stamina

You must be registered for see images


Mixing your Physical + Mental energy to create chakra drains your stamina
You must be registered for see images


Using physical attacks such as Taijutsu also drains your stamina
You must be registered for see images
 

kiiro

Jōnin Strategist 🧠
Veteran
Joined
May 31, 2015
Messages
2,376
Reaction score
92
Yeah but there's clues that Kimimaro might have died because of his power, his body failed like Itachi because he inherited a power that wasn't meant to be wielded by him, like Itachi

Mmm well, he had more chakra than Itachi. But both died because they were sick.
 

kiiro

Jōnin Strategist 🧠
Veteran
Joined
May 31, 2015
Messages
2,376
Reaction score
92
Technically it still correlates to "healing" the cells give an overall boast in vitality so it wouldnt be a stretch for Hashi cells to make the immune system stronger

Not really, heal can mean to create new cells to replace the damaged ones. But there could be cells that are not dead but instead have a disease. So Hashirama might not battle does one because they could be like a Cancer attacking the other ones.
 

kiiro

Jōnin Strategist 🧠
Veteran
Joined
May 31, 2015
Messages
2,376
Reaction score
92
No they're not the databook refers to physical stamina look at rock Lee's it reads 5. Now do you have something to substantiate your claim instead of opinion spiritual energy can't be increased stamina can.
Also the stat would read chakra not stamina if it was as you say it is. Furthermore being a component of something doesn't make it the same thing.

You must be registered for see images


Same Chapter, Sakura explained how Mental Energy could be raised.
 

salamander uchiha

Kage in the Making 👑
Legendary
Joined
Mar 20, 2013
Messages
17,628
Reaction score
1,849
You can see in the scan iv'e shown you.

Physical energy + Mental energy = Stamina

You must be registered for see images


Mixing your Physical + Mental energy to create chakra drains your stamina
You must be registered for see images


Using physical attacks such as Taijutsu also drains your stamina
You must be registered for see images

Sometimes I think I'm banging my head against a wall. Of course making chakra drains stamina it's a component of chakra. It doesn't equal chakra since the secondary requirement is spiritual energy. Here is a scan showing how chakra is created if both are mixed you get chakra. 1 on it's own has 0 effect on chakra ask rock Lee who's stamina is a 5. Rock Lee lacks spiritual energy necessary to use chakra.
 

ChicagoJhawk

Anbu Operative 🎭
Veteran
Joined
Jul 1, 2015
Messages
4,577
Reaction score
422
I wouldn't be surprised if Hashi cells end up curing world hunger
 

NarutoX28

Sannin of the Scrolls 📜
Elite
Joined
Jun 13, 2015
Messages
6,624
Reaction score
378
Hashirama's cells combined with Kabuto's medical ninjutsu wasn't enough to preserve EMS Sasuke's life, so I'd imagine that a lethal disease that was eating Itachi up on the inside wouldn't be cured, it'd just be delayed. I'd imagine it'd be more effective than the medication Itachi was on, but it wouldn't preserve his life indefinitely. The same would pertain to Kimimaro though I can actually see Hashirama's DNA fuccing up Kimimaro's body even more.
 

Exaar

Kage in the Making 👑
Legendary
Joined
Jul 2, 2011
Messages
12,773
Reaction score
1,296
Sometimes I think I'm banging my head against a wall. Of course making chakra drains stamina it's a component of chakra. It doesn't equal chakra since the secondary requirement is spiritual energy. Here is a scan showing how chakra is created if both are mixed you get chakra. 1 on it's own has 0 effect on chakra ask rock Lee who's stamina is a 5. Rock Lee lacks spiritual energy necessary to use chakra.

You are banging your head against a wall because your failing to understand.

Physical energy + Spiritual energy = Stamina. I'll show you the picture again
You must be registered for see images

Even Hakke posted the databook explaining what the stats mean
You must be registered for see images
"Stamina" Displays the amount of "energy" (meaning both Physical and spiritual) which forms the base of chakra.

The Higher your stamina the higher your Physical + Spiritual energies are. Lee can create chakra, he uses chakra to stand on water during Gai's fight against Kisame and outside of the akatsuki hideout. Not having skill in Ninjutsu/Genjutsu =/= not having spiritual energy.
 

salamander uchiha

Kage in the Making 👑
Legendary
Joined
Mar 20, 2013
Messages
17,628
Reaction score
1,849
You are banging your head against a wall because your failing to understand.

Physical energy + Spiritual energy = Stamina. I'll show you the picture again
You must be registered for see images

Even Hakke posted the databook explaining what the stats mean
You must be registered for see images
"Stamina" Displays the amount of "energy" (meaning both Physical and spiritual) which forms the base of chakra.

The Higher your stamina the higher your Physical + Spiritual energies are. Lee can create chakra, he uses chakra to stand on water during Gai's fight against Kisame and outside of the akatsuki hideout. Not having skill in Ninjutsu/Genjutsu =/= not having spiritual energy.

Well I can't see Hakke scan so I can't comment on that where exactly in the manga does it say physical energy + spiritual energy equals stamina. Not once in the manga does it say that what it says and what Sakura explains is that spiritual energy + physical energy equals chakra.

This is the whole page you post it clearly shows stamina as a component of chakra and not chakra itself.
If you want me to explain it to you thai jutsu uses purely staming generally. Ninjutsu mixes physical energy or stamina with spiritual energy to create chakra. It's not rocket science and the 2 are clearly different t things
 
Last edited:

Rikudou Tobi

Kage in the Making 👑
Legendary
Joined
Dec 28, 2015
Messages
10,654
Reaction score
417
You can see in the scan iv'e shown you.

Physical energy + Mental energy = Stamina

You must be registered for see images


Mixing your Physical + Mental energy to create chakra drains your stamina
You must be registered for see images


Using physical attacks such as Taijutsu also drains your stamina
You must be registered for see images

Please stop. Stamina is not chakra, it's the energy used to create chakra.
You literally have a page of naruto using 50% chakra and 40% stamina for shadow clone. So it wouldn't make sense for you to say stamina is chakra because basically what you are saying is that naruto used 50% chakra and 40% chakra...
Doesn't make much sense does it?

Energy is not chakra until they are mixed, you need to know that.
 

Exaar

Kage in the Making 👑
Legendary
Joined
Jul 2, 2011
Messages
12,773
Reaction score
1,296
Well I can't see Hakke scan so I can't comment on that where exactly in the manga does it say physical energy + spiritual energy equals stamina. Not once in the manga does it say that what it says and what Sakura explains is that spiritual energy + physical energy equals chakra.

This is the whole page you post it clearly shows stamina as a component of chakra and not chakra itself.
If you want me to explain it to you thai jutsu uses purely staming generally. Ninjutsu mixes physical energy or stamina with spiritual energy to create chakra. It's not rocket science and the 2 are clearly different t things

Let try to make it as simple as i can.

Physical energy + Spiritual energy = Stamina.

Physical energy + Spiritual energy mixed together = Chakra.

The level of stamina you have dictates how much chakra you can make, Thus when talking about chakra levels, Stamina level = Chakra level.



Please stop. Stamina is not chakra, it's the energy used to create chakra.
You literally have a page of naruto using 50% chakra and 40% stamina for shadow clone. So it wouldn't make sense for you to say stamina is chakra because basically what you are saying is that naruto used 50% chakra and 40% chakra...
Doesn't make much sense does it?

Energy is not chakra until they are mixed, you need to know that.

I know stamina isn't literally chakra but stamina levels dictate on how much chakra you have. Thus lower stamina scores = lower chakra levels and so on. Since they're both made up on Physical and mental energy

So lets say, 1stamina point = 1liter bottle, Naruto can fill 5 bottles, itachi can fill 2.5, Assuming the mixing ratio is say 1% physical + 1% spiritual = 2%. Now if naruto wanted he could fill 5 bottles worth of chakra, while itachi can only fill 2.5.

My main point is, in terms of volume Stamina = Chakra
 

Rikudou Tobi

Kage in the Making 👑
Legendary
Joined
Dec 28, 2015
Messages
10,654
Reaction score
417
Let try to make it as simple as i can.

Physical energy + Spiritual energy = Stamina.

Physical energy + Spiritual energy mixed together = Chakra.

The level of stamina you have dictates how much chakra you can make, Thus when talking about chakra levels, Stamina level = Chakra level.





I know stamina isn't literally chakra but stamina levels dictate on how much chakra you have. Thus lower stamina scores = lower chakra levels and so on. Since they're both made up on Physical and mental energy

So lets say, 1stamina point = 1liter bottle, Naruto can fill 5 bottles, itachi can fill 2.5, Assuming the mixing ratio is say 1% physical + 1% spiritual = 2%. Now if naruto wanted he could fill 5 bottles worth of chakra, while itachi can only fill 2.5.

My main point is, in terms of volume Stamina = Chakra

Stamina essentially the gauge. The higher the gauge the more chakra can be expanded upon when stimulating more chakra to cast a genjutsu or ninjutsu. I get that.
But stamina itself is not chakra and I wanted to make sure you clearly know that.
Stamina=bodily energy the same stuff that radiates from 8 gates users. Not chakra.
 
Last edited:

salamander uchiha

Kage in the Making 👑
Legendary
Joined
Mar 20, 2013
Messages
17,628
Reaction score
1,849
Stamina essentially the gauge. The higher the gauge the more chakra can be expanded upon when stimulating more chakra to cast a genjutsu or taijutsu. I get that.
But stamina itself is not chakra and I wanted to make sure you clearly know that.
Stamina=bodily energy the same stuff that radiates from 8 gates users. Not chakra.

That guys a few screws loose he thinks stamina is made the same way chakra is. He doesn't understand that physical energy is the stamina and mental energy is the spiral energy. When the 2 are combined you get chakra. If you use stamina on its own without making chakra you get thai jutsu. He's like the person who'll argue a part of a whole equals the whole.
 
Last edited:

SenseiSama

Kage in the Making 👑
Legendary
Joined
Apr 17, 2015
Messages
16,168
Reaction score
926
Let try to make it as simple as i can.

Physical energy + Spiritual energy = Stamina.

Physical energy + Spiritual energy mixed together = Chakra.

The level of stamina you have dictates how much chakra you can make, Thus when talking about chakra levels, Stamina level = Chakra level.

The bold part is wrong, stamina comes from life energy which makes it purely physical.
 

Exaar

Kage in the Making 👑
Legendary
Joined
Jul 2, 2011
Messages
12,773
Reaction score
1,296
The bold part is wrong, stamina comes from life energy which makes it purely physical.

Nope, Stamina includes both physical and mental energy.

You must be registered for see images

These show, in easy terms, the flow of Physical and mental energies, collectively called "stamina"
 

SenseiSama

Kage in the Making 👑
Legendary
Joined
Apr 17, 2015
Messages
16,168
Reaction score
926
Nope, Stamina includes both physical and mental energy.

You must be registered for see images

These show, in easy terms, the flow of Physical and mental energies, collectively called "stamina"

No, chakra comes from mixing physical with mental energy, stamina determines how much chakra can be controlled/focused.

Stamina is directly tied to life energy which is why Uzumaki are known to have the most in the series whereas Uchiha lack it severely.

The stamina to survive being cut in half came from Tsunade's Uzumaki life energy, the stamina to stay alive after giving birth and getting Kurama extracted came from Kushina's life energy.
 
Top