Confusion regarding Obito's memory that Naruto saw

[Floydical]

I didn't see this thread be made yet, but I am really confused as to Obito's memories that Naruto saw. Here is the original image from chapter 599 of Obito looking over his shoulder at Kage mountain:

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And here is the same image as Naruto sees it through Obito's subconscious:

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There is clearly a difference, both the fact that Minato's face is no longer there and the fact that Obito is pointing upward where Minato's face should be, seemingly as a sign that he will be the next Hokage.

Now we all know that it was a mistake on Kishi's part to put Minato's face in there in the first place, but to flat out change it like this is really strange. Its simply a matter of these being Obito's memories, so why would the memory change?

To add to the confusion, Obito envisions himself as the 5th hokage a few pages later in the chapter, not the 4th Hokage:

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I don't even know where I am going with this thread, but these images seriously concern me. Anyone that has been paying attention to the manga lately has witnessed countless examples of mistakes that Kishi should never have made, but to see a blatant mistake like this be made in such an obvious way..... its truly a concern of mine.

Thoughts on the matter? Why such a blatant and obvious change to a memory we were already aware of?

 

[Cfighter]

I think that Kishi made a mistake with putting Minato's face in Obito's flashback in the first place. Theres no logical reasoning for his face to be there at all, since Minato was only a Jonin at the time Obito had that moment.

 

[Erin]

^^^ This

It was a mistake in the first page.

 

[Mypower]

^^^ This

It was a mistake in the first page.

I think that Kishi made a mistake with putting Minato's face in Obito's flashback in the first place. Theres no logical reasoning for his face to be there at all, since Minato was only a Jonin at the time Obito had that moment.

Just as planned

 

[Floydical]

I think that Kishi made a mistake with putting Minato's face in Obito's flashback in the first place. Theres no logical reasoning for his face to be there at all, since Minato was only a Jonin at the time Obito had that moment.

Yes, it was a mistake, but the fact is that Kishi is blatantly changing the memory right in front of us. Not only is he changing the memory, but he's not even creating a new image, simply editing the old one. So the space for Minato's head is still there, he just took it out.

At the very least, it is a very poor attempt at covering up his past mistake. I mean he cannot possibly believe we'd forgot the original mistake, can he? I just find the whole fiasco to be a serious head scratcher that makes me wonder what Kishi is thinking from time to time.

 

[aGuyNamedQuest]

To me this looks like Obito having the same dream before and after Minato became hokage. I think this was meant to be seen as Obito not giving up his dream and wanting to become the next hokage no matter who did it before him or who was the current hokage in that time. Or it could be a mistake.

 

[aGuyNamedQuest]

To me this looks like Obito having the same dream before and after Minato became hokage. I think this was meant to be seen as Obito not giving up his dream and wanting to become the next hokage no matter who did it before him or who was the current hokage in that time. Or it could be a mistake.

Also I want to add that the time frames to place ninja as hokage candidate is unknown to me and is not known how long or when a ninja will be hokage. This just reminds me to be childhood dreams.

 

[Floydical]

I want to organize my thoughts a little more.

1. I know that the original image was a mistake, Minato was not Hokage at that time. To me, the image was more a representation of Obito perhaps becoming the 5th hokage, since his face is right next to Minato's in the image.

2. I know that Kishi remade the image as a way to correct his mistake and make it more clear.

My concern is why would Kishi bother changing an already established memory? This isn't a matter of giving Pein a Konoha headband instead of a Rain Village one, its an established memory. In reality, Kishi did not even have to use this image at all, he could have chose any established memory. Why not just show a different memory and not try to correct a mistake at the same time?

My whole point here is that it is very obvious that he changed that reality, but it seems obvious that he also wanted us to notice him changing it. When looking at the big picture, what is Kishi's whole point to these mistakes he's making? This is by far one of the most obvious mistakes that Kishi has made in the last 70 chapters. My question is why does he continue to make these mistakes/ changes without any real reason?

I say again, Kishi could have used ANY MEMORY IN THAT SITUATION. He didn't have to use this image to show us that Naruto was seeing his memories. He used this image ON PURPOSE so that we would notice this DRASTIC change he is making to the manga image. This is what is concerning me, the fact that Kishi is blatantly changing manga facts, expecting us to notice it, and not giving any explanation at all as to why he is changing it.

Is there anyone else out there that feels any level of concern over this?

 

[rollin]

I want to organize my thoughts a little more.

1. I know that the original image was a mistake, Minato was not Hokage at that time. To me, the image was more a representation of Obito perhaps becoming the 5th hokage, since his face is right next to Minato's in the image.

2. I know that Kishi remade the image as a way to correct his mistake and make it more clear.

My concern is why would Kishi bother changing an already established memory? This isn't a matter of giving Pein a Konoha headband instead of a Rain Village one, its an established memory. In reality, Kishi did not even have to use this image at all, he could have chose any established memory. Why not just show a different memory and not try to correct a mistake at the same time?

My whole point here is that it is very obvious that he changed that reality, but it seems obvious that he also wanted us to notice him changing it. When looking at the big picture, what is Kishi's whole point to these mistakes he's making? This is by far one of the most obvious mistakes that Kishi has made in the last 70 chapters. My question is why does he continue to make these mistakes/ changes without any real reason?

I say again, Kishi could have used ANY MEMORY IN THAT SITUATION. He didn't have to use this image to show us that Naruto was seeing his memories. He used this image ON PURPOSE so that we would notice this DRASTIC change he is making to the manga image. This is what is concerning me, the fact that Kishi is blatantly changing manga facts, expecting us to notice it, and not giving any explanation at all as to why he is changing it.

Is there anyone else out there that feels any level of concern over this?

No Kishi is not blatantly changing manga facts
He messed up on the first flashback it got fixed later on and the second time it showed it how it should be,hes not going to make the same mistake again
And that flashback is necessary to show that both naruto and obito want to be hokage

 

[Draxus]

I want to organize my thoughts a little more.

1. I know that the original image was a mistake, Minato was not Hokage at that time. To me, the image was more a representation of Obito perhaps becoming the 5th hokage, since his face is right next to Minato's in the image.

2. I know that Kishi remade the image as a way to correct his mistake and make it more clear.

My concern is why would Kishi bother changing an already established memory? This isn't a matter of giving Pein a Konoha headband instead of a Rain Village one, its an established memory. In reality, Kishi did not even have to use this image at all, he could have chose any established memory. Why not just show a different memory and not try to correct a mistake at the same time?

My whole point here is that it is very obvious that he changed that reality, but it seems obvious that he also wanted us to notice him changing it. When looking at the big picture, what is Kishi's whole point to these mistakes he's making? This is by far one of the most obvious mistakes that Kishi has made in the last 70 chapters. My question is why does he continue to make these mistakes/ changes without any real reason?

I say again, Kishi could have used ANY MEMORY IN THAT SITUATION. He didn't have to use this image to show us that Naruto was seeing his memories. He used this image ON PURPOSE so that we would notice this DRASTIC change he is making to the manga image. This is what is concerning me, the fact that Kishi is blatantly changing manga facts, expecting us to notice it, and not giving any explanation at all as to why he is changing it.

Is there anyone else out there that feels any level of concern over this?

The mistake will be corrected in the original chapter too when it's released in the volume, so it's fine with me.

 

[Gyakusetsu]

Lol you know where I stand on this. Last week it was Kiba's headband displaying the leaf village while on the same page Choji is shown with the Ninja Alliance. Then two pages later Kiba is back to alliance symbol. Some folks have pointed out that Kishimoto retcon'd the image of Minato for the volume release. I'll take their word on that because the volume from Viz isn't up to that yet. Not that it would matter for the theory it would just be considered another event. Still it would have been dumb to remind us again of that error.

Anyway I already laid this all out in the Who is Tobi thread, but Kishimoto will just let Obito the Vessel fade and the true antagonist will continue with another host.

 

[whiteshark47]

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Hiruzen is just like "deal with it"

 

[Sarahmint]

actually, Minato on the mountain was a grievous error the publishers have admitted to

Therefore, Obito will not and cannot be Hokage.

He should have thought of that before killing nurses and strapping bombs onto a baby in the first place

 

[NarutoChangeSasuke]

At first I thought it might have some meaning.. But then I remembered that in Obito's first flashback Minato was accidentally drawn in them manga.. So I guess Kishi just didn't wanna make the same mistake..

 

[gazz uzumaki]

Holy hell, cut Kishimoto some slack! He's only human; he has as much right as anyone to make mistakes. Why don't you try and draw a whole manga series and see if you don't make any mistakes while you're doing it!

 

[Almighty Ra]

Its clearly a bad error but it happens

 

[Gyakusetsu]

Holy hell, cut Kishimoto some slack! He's only human; he has as much right as anyone to make mistakes. Why don't you try and draw a whole manga series and see if you don't make any mistakes while you're doing it!

Chill dude. OP is suggesting these are intentional not errors.

 

[Yatori]

It's almost 10 years manga ongoing so sure there is some mistakes here and there.. Plus I think kishi want to end this soon so he kind of rushing things.. Anyway good job pointing it out.. You should work with kishi team