Confusion about Susanoo. Please read.

[peaceful]

Hey everyone...I've been thinking about this for a while.. and I decided to write about it. It was just gonna be something short.. but then.. it got long...


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Misconception and Mysteries of Susanoo

Susanoo is nothing without The Sword of Totsuka and The Mirror of Yata.

This is false. Susanoo was able to take a direct hit of Kirin, a jutsu said to be unavoidable to dodge (since its faster than the speed of sound as stated by Zetsu) and classified as an S class jutsu. Notice that Itachi only took out the sword of totsuka to take care of Oro and only used the shield to protect himself when Sasuke threw the first explosive kunai (ch 393 pg 6). Notice that Itachi wasn?t protected from Kirin by the Mirror of Yata, but by Susanoo itself. As you can see, Itachi is inside Susanoo as seen in chapter 391 pages 16 and 17 while when he used the Mirror of Yata, Susanoo is outside of Itachi protecting him with the shield as seen in chapter 393 page 8. So this prove that Susanoo without the shield is still more than capable of protecting Itachi, even against S class jutsus faster than the speed of sound. The databok also implies that the God without the sword of totsuka is still very powerful.

Databook
Only in them who hold both of those, dwells the power of the wild, rampaging god... Susanoo. The materialized chakra shapes itself after the wargod's commanding face and powerful physique, and the fierce spirit won't subside until the destruction of all the enemies in its line of sight...!!

Susanoo can?t protect Itachi from all sides
This is another misconception. Susanoo protects Itachi entirely, with the shield or without the shield as seen in the manga. This is why the manga and databook stated

There's a reason why Susanoo can boast perfect flawlessness in its offense and defense: the spiritual weapons it holds in both hands.

That destroys the whole argument of only protecting him from one side at a time.


The Sword of Totsuka doesn?t have long reach and so goes for The Mirror of Yata
This is completely nonsense. The databook stated that the range of BOTH, DEFENCE and OFFENSE are close, medium and long ranges.

Databook
Offensive; Defensive; Close, Medium, Long ranges;
NINJUTSU; KEKKEI GENKAI: Susanoo (Mysterious, All-Encompassing Assistance Ability*)
User: Uchiha Itachi
Offensive; Defensive; Close, Medium, Long ranges; Rank: none

This is why the sword was able to chop 7 of Yamata no Orochi in a split second.

The Sword of Totsuka and The Mirror of Yata aren?t really that strong

-In its left and right hands are held the unparalleled, wondrous Sacred Treasures* of virtues miraculous.

The Mirror of Yata can?t counter spirit attacks
The shield can counter any type of attack as stated in the databook

The Mirror of Yata*, upon which all attacks will bounce back. Substantial or spiritual, and then ninjutsu or physical attacks lose all kinds of significance before the god's efficacy.

Not only that, but it also has the ability to changed its owns nature according to the attack.

Databook
The substance-less spiritual shield. Endowed will all Nature Alterations, it changes its own attributes in response to the attacks it receives, making the jutsu ineffective.

The Sword of Totsuka has a solid form, so u can counter it.

You can?t counter a sword that has no physical form
Ch 392 page 16
Zetsu: ?No wonder? No matter where he searched, he could never find it? A spirit sword with no real physical form?

Susanoo is not that fast
I hope people realize that Susanoo protected Itachi from a jutsu that was faster than the speed of sound. Not only that, it took out 7 Snakes heads in a split second, just as well, as it took out Oro.

Susanoo kills the caster once he summon it
This is one of the biggest misconceptions about this jutsu. It doesn?t kill you, it drains your life force each time you use it. Like the side effect of the big shinra tensei, Chibaku Tensei and one can also assume the same thing with Gedou Mazou. If Susanoo kills you by using it once, Itachi would have died the time he awakened the jutsu and the time he armed his Susanoo with The Sword of Totsuka and The Mirror of Yata.

Susanoo is nothing but chakra, not a God

Databook
Only in them who hold both of those, dwells the power of the wild, rampaging god... Susanoo. The materialized chakra shapes itself after the wargod's commanding face and powerful physique, and the fierce spirit won't subside until the destruction of all the enemies in its line of sight...!!

Spirits don?t have physical bodies, that?s why they are spirits!

Mysteries of the MS and Susanoo
In chapter 392 page 4-5, 11 and chapter 393 page 3, you can see white eyes inside Susanoo?s mouth, like it was a God inside a God, or a God inside an ?armor?, as I chapter 393 page 5 you can see eye sockets and the eyes of the mask.
If awakening two MS jutsu, give you access to the third MS jutsu, does that mean that Sasuke and Madara have their own Gods too?
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Now before you make another thread about Itachi versus everyone, do not make mistakes, please.

 

[phnm]

Great !!!
Sasunoo is damn powerfull =)

 

[peaceful]

Great !!!
Sasunoo is damn powerfull =)

Yes it is my friend. Susanoo>everyone.

 

[Nameer]

Great Topic and I Absolutely agree with you
btw I'm wondering what will Naruto do if Saskue has it.

 

[Universal Enlightenment]

Yeah I Heard Thats All True What You State'd Up There But Susanoo Has One Problem I'm Not Sure If Its True That It Takes A Toll On Your Body Thats Why Itachi Keep Coughin Up Blood Thats What I Heard Not Sure If Its True

 

[Nameer]

Yeah I Heard Thats All True What You State'd Up There But Susanoo Has One Problem I'm Not Sure If Its True That It Takes A Toll On Your Body Thats Why Itachi Keep Coughin Up Blood Thats What I Heard Not Sure If Its True

That's because of the disease which was eating Itachi from inside not Susanoo

 

[roflcopter]

That's because of the disease which was eating Itachi from inside not Susanoo

we cant know that. Maybe his decease was caused by the overuse of his sharingan.

A very nice thread peaceful. Actually you could get something from the manga pages like where is susanoo located and where Itachi is. Because to be honest, I couldnt understand what's drawn on those images lol. How did u understand that Susanoo bl0ocked Kirin with it's body is just -disunderstandable for me. O well, seems like i havent got talent in manga reading.

Maybe I dont have such imagination, but that drawing looks messed up to me. But i've always expirienced difficulties in manga reading. Often i re-read some pages to get the whole concept of what is drawn.

Anyway, with this thread you made me believe that Susanoo is imbalanced, once more proving that Itachi was kild with his jutsu on a purpose to not cause future problems for someone who fights him.

the only jutsu that could be comparable to Susanoo now, is, in my opinion the statue of heretical doctrine, which pein can summone. The problem is we dont know anything about it yet...

I wonder if Susanoo has enough power to seal the msot powerful creature - the Kyybi.

 

[Typhon]

Great Topic and I Absolutely agree with you
btw I'm wondering what will Naruto do if Saskue has it.

I just though of this. I don't think Sasuke received Susanoo from Itachi, but rather it was Naruto who received Susanoo. This is the power Itachi hopes Naruto never has to use, because if he has to use it, it means that Sasuke tried to destroy Konoha. And the use of Susanoo means the certain destruction of Sasuke.

 

[HiddenShadowNinja]

I just though of this. I don't think Sasuke received Susanoo from Itachi, but rather it was Naruto who received Susanoo. This is the power Itachi hopes Naruto never has to use, because if he has to use it, it means that Sasuke tried to destroy Konoha. And the use of Susanoo means the certain destruction of Sasuke.

The problem with that theory is that Itachi gave Naruto his "gift" before he fought Sasuke...and seeing as Itachi used Susanoo during the fight with Sasuke, i don't think that's it. I find it more likely that Itachi's gift is a way to counter Amaterasu.

 

[roflcopter]

The problem with that theory is that Itachi gave Naruto his "gift" before he fought Sasuke...and seeing as Itachi used Susanoo during the fight with Sasuke, i don't think that's it. I find it more likely that Itachi's gift is a way to counter Amaterasu.

Amaterasu can be sealed away.. It can be escaped too. And it is not as deadly at it was claimed to be. Karin survived it, Sasuke too. Yes, Itachi cancelled amaterasu, but still it had some effect.

Maybe it is a power to control his fox, since Itachi has Mangekyo and Fox can be controlled by sharingan.. uh uh

 

[Alucard]

Yeah, could Susanoo seal the Kyubi?

 

[roflcopter]

I think it depends on what's stronger Dead Demon Consuming Seal or Susanoo..

 

[almasyan]

the only jutsu that could be comparable to Susanoo now, is, in my opinion the statue of heretical doctrine, which pein can summone. The problem is we dont know anything about it yet...

I wonder if Susanoo has enough power to seal the msot powerful creature - the Kyybi.

since it blocks both spitual and physics attacks, i think it blocks pain's summon.at least it looks logical.
"The Mirror of Yata can’t counter spirit attacks
The shield can counter any type of attack as stated in the databook
Quote:The Mirror of Yata*, upon which all attacks will bounce back. Substantial or spiritual, and then ninjutsu or physical attacks lose all kinds of significance before the god's efficacy."

oh yeah,i think if madara controlled ninetales with sharingan, it can be sealed with another sharingan power,why not?

 

[Typhon]

The problem with that theory is that Itachi gave Naruto his "gift" before he fought Sasuke...and seeing as Itachi used Susanoo during the fight with Sasuke, i don't think that's it. I find it more likely that Itachi's gift is a way to counter Amaterasu.

I know, but as with other summons I think its feasible to think that more than one person can possess the ability to summon it at the same time.

 

[Steinbiz]

this is based from japanese mythology? because kishimoto uses japanese mythology all the time and changes the perspective for the show. susano'o doesn't block itachi with a 360 degree shield. he needs the yatas mirror to block attacks. without the sword and shield YES!!!! susano'o is nothing but a spiritual being.

i hate you and your "itachi is god" comments lol.....there i said it.

 

[peaceful]

this is based from japanese mythology?

What do you mean? I used Databook.

because kishimoto uses japanese mythology all the time and changes the perspective for the show.

I do not understand, what are you trying to say?

susano'o doesn't block itachi with a 360 degree shield. he needs the yatas mirror to block attacks. without the sword and shield YES!!!! susano'o is nothing but a spiritual being.

No. Susanno can protect Itachi with or without the mirror. Still, the problem is that Itachi had both the sword and the mirror.

i hate you and your "itachi is god" comments lol.....there i said it

And you expect people to believe that you are unbiased?


I would like to say that Susanoo is able to seal Kuybi. I do not see any reason to say otherwise.

 

[Typhon]

Thats what I was thinking Peaceful.

Either Sasuke or Naruto can use Susanoo. If Naruto has it, I think he may eventually use it to defeat Sasuke, hence why Itachi said he hoped Naruto would never have to use it. If Sasuke has it he may use it to A.) Seal away Madara or B.) Seal away the Kyuubi.

 

[peaceful]

Thats what I was thinking Peaceful.

Either Sasuke or Naruto can use Susanoo. If Naruto has it, I think he may eventually use it to defeat Sasuke, hence why Itachi said he hoped Naruto would never have to use it. If Sasuke has it he may use it to A.) Seal away Madara or B.) Seal away the Kyuubi.

I doubt the possibility of Naruto obtaining Susanno because he does not have Sharingan let alone Mangekuy.
Sasuke obtaining Susanno is plausible however i do not want it to be true because i am preparing a theory for the possible return of Itachi Uchiha and Susanoo.

 

[NineTailedSage]

Could naruto have the yatas mirror that would reflect all attacks(Susanno)? Sasuke could then have susanno.

 

[Typhon]

Could naruto have the yatas mirror that would reflect all attacks(Susanno)? Sasuke could then have susanno.

I doubt it because Susanoo uses the shield after Itachi gives Naruto the power so if it were the shield he gave Naruto, Susanoo wouldn't be able to have it too.