[Question] Confusing regarding One Piece names

[SixPathsMike101]

So throught One Piece, I have developed a small confusion regarding their names. So I know that in japanese a lot of times they pronounce the last name first when adressing people So a lot of times i cant tell which name is someones first name (eex Uchiha, sasuke) and in some names i cold see that being the case like

Gol D. Roger I could see his name being Roger
Monkey D. Luffy Luffy being his first name makes sense.
Roronoa Zoro


But others seem to confuse me a little such as

Partgas D. Ace I could see his name being Partgas
Or MarshallD. Teach I could see his first name being Marshall

 

[LBeezy]

I could see your first name being "Six".. so wussup?

 

[scorezor]

i dont understands doubts like these... there's nothing to be confused about it...

 

[Love Cook]

Yeah it really is confusing because Luffy always seems to mix it up when he calls Ace Portgas instead.

And that memorable scene at marineford where Portgas died. POOOOORTGAAAAAAASSS ! So sad.

Japanese people don't put last names first a lot of the time, they do it all the time. The first name follows the family name.

 

[Caliburn]

Actually there is some truth in this as Oda does not follow for a 100% the construct of family name - first name and it's also true that he often uses a combination of two names that are interchangeable.

For example Edward Newgate. I don't think it has ever been confirmed what now exactly is his first/family name, but following reason Edward should be his first name, but that doesn't follow the standard construct of the family name being mentioned first as then he should have been introduced as Newgate Edward.

Second example Eustass Kid. Again it's not entirely clear here what now his first and family name are supposed to be, but personally I think Eustass being his first name seems more appropriate.

Another example Nico Robin. If you wouldn't know anything about this character other than the name, you wouldn't even be certain about the gender. Both names can be used for male/females and be first/family names. In this case her name follows the traditional construct, but my point is that I'm certain many of us subconsciously determine what is someone's first name based on the interaction between characters. All the Strawhats are close friends, so they most of the time refer to each other with their first name and we automatically pick that up. Most of use will call Zoro Zoro, but there have been several instances when a character that was familiar with Zoro, but didn't knew him personally, called him Roronoa.

To be honest I think Oda follows by default the order of family name - first name, however that he occasionally switches them whenever he thinks it sounds better. Edward Newgate and Eustass Kid sound better than Newgate Edward and Kid Eustass (let alone Kid "Captain" Eustass).

 

[ArabianLuffy]

It's weird that a reader/watcher can't tell which is a family name from a first name. I mean how hard it is? For English dub animes, the voice actor mention first name and family name. I've seen that happening.

Ichigo Kurosaki
Kenshin Himura
etc

Yet One Piece is a very special case. Even 4Kids voice actors or any English dub voicing studio can't mention the first name before family like:

Dracule Mihawk
Nico Robin.

They can't pronounce them:

Mihawk Dracule
Robin Nico

Take the American actress, Robin Tunney. How it would sound if someone called her Tunney Robin? Weird, isn't it? Simply put, Oda uses Japanese and Western way of mentioning full name. I could tell an English voice actor would address Lucci as Rob Lucci. They won't say Lucci Rob.

 

[chopstickchakra]

So throught One Piece, I have developed a small confusion regarding their names. So I know that in japanese a lot of times they pronounce the last name first when adressing people So a lot of times i cant tell which name is someones first name (eex Uchiha, sasuke) and in some names i cold see that being the case like

Gol D. Roger I could see his name being Roger
Monkey D. Luffy Luffy being his first name makes sense.
Roronoa Zoro


But others seem to confuse me a little such as

Partgas D. Ace I could see his name being Partgas
Or MarshallD. Teach I could see his first name being Marshall

Edward Newgate threw me for awhile I thought they abandoned the typical Japanese styling of familial name first but the consensus is WB's first name was Newgate and his familial name is Edward.

 

[SixPathsMike101]

It's weird that a reader/watcher can't tell which is a family name from a first name. I mean how hard it is? For English dub animes, the voice actor mention first name and family name. I've seen that happening.

Ichigo Kurosaki
Kenshin Himura
etc

Yet One Piece is a very special case. Even 4Kids voice actors or any English dub voicing studio can't mention the first name before family like:

Dracule Mihawk
Nico Robin.

They can't pronounce them:

Mihawk Dracule
Robin Nico

Take the American actress, Robin Tunney. How it would sound if someone called her Tunney Robin? Weird, isn't it? Simply put, Oda uses Japanese and Western way of mentioning full name. I could tell an English voice actor would address Lucci as Rob Lucci. They won't say Lucci Rob.

I can tell most of the time, it's only One Piece that throws me off

 

[straightup]

Edward Newgate threw me for awhile I thought they abandoned the typical Japanese styling of familial name first but the consensus is WB's first name was Newgate and his familial name is Edward.

I'm gonna back you on this. I think Edward is the family name due to Edward weevil. If EW is the self proclaimed son of EN, then it stands to reason that he would take EN family name. And the only name they have in common is Edward.

Actually there is some truth in this as Oda does not follow for a 100% the construct of family name - first name and it's also true that he often uses a combination of two names that are interchangeable.

For example Edward Newgate. I don't think it has ever been confirmed what now exactly is his first/family name, but following reason Edward should be his first name, but that doesn't follow the standard construct of the family name being mentioned first as then he should have been introduced as Newgate Edward.

Second example Eustass Kid. Again it's not entirely clear here what now his first and family name are supposed to be, but personally I think Eustass being his first name seems more appropriate.

Another example Nico Robin. If you wouldn't know anything about this character other than the name, you wouldn't even be certain about the gender. Both names can be used for male/females and be first/family names. In this case her name follows the traditional construct, but my point is that I'm certain many of us subconsciously determine what is someone's first name based on the interaction between characters. All the Strawhats are close friends, so they most of the time refer to each other with their first name and we automatically pick that up. Most of use will call Zoro Zoro, but there have been several instances when a character that was familiar with Zoro, but didn't knew him personally, called him Roronoa.

To be honest I think Oda follows by default the order of family name - first name, however that he occasionally switches them whenever he thinks it sounds better. Edward Newgate and Eustass Kid sound better than Newgate Edward and Kid Eustass (let alone Kid "Captain" Eustass).

From my understanding oda follows the theme pretty closely, I can't think of anyone who has been introduced with their first name then last. I sincerely feel like Edward is the family name. This is shown with edward weevil who thinks he's white beards son

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

From my understanding oda follows the theme pretty closely, I can't think of anyone who has been introduced with their first name then last. I sincerely feel like Edward is the family name. This is shown with edward weevil who thinks he's white beards son

What about Caesar Clown? Everyone calls him Caesar instead of Clown.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Actually there is some truth in this as Oda does not follow for a 100% the construct of family name - first name and it's also true that he often uses a combination of two names that are interchangeable.

For example Edward Newgate. I don't think it has ever been confirmed what now exactly is his first/family name, but following reason Edward should be his first name, but that doesn't follow the standard construct of the family name being mentioned first as then he should have been introduced as Newgate Edward.

Second example Eustass Kid. Again it's not entirely clear here what now his first and family name are supposed to be, but personally I think Eustass being his first name seems more appropriate.

Another example Nico Robin. If you wouldn't know anything about this character other than the name, you wouldn't even be certain about the gender. Both names can be used for male/females and be first/family names. In this case her name follows the traditional construct, but my point is that I'm certain many of us subconsciously determine what is someone's first name based on the interaction between characters. All the Strawhats are close friends, so they most of the time refer to each other with their first name and we automatically pick that up. Most of use will call Zoro Zoro, but there have been several instances when a character that was familiar with Zoro, but didn't knew him personally, called him Roronoa.

To be honest I think Oda follows by default the order of family name - first name, however that he occasionally switches them whenever he thinks it sounds better. Edward Newgate and Eustass Kid sound better than Newgate Edward and Kid Eustass (let alone Kid "Captain" Eustass).

It's Newgate and Kid being the first names. Come on now, there's absolutely no reason to even suspect that for some reason, Oda decided to swap it around with them. Kid's been called "Captain Kid" and during WB's flashback when he revealed he just wanted a family, the crewmembers called him Newgate. I mean, look at Teach. His last name is Marshall, yet you don't go suspecting that's his first name.

While there are characters like Caesar where they've been called by their last name more predominantly than their given name, Oda has never introduced a naming scheme that's Given Name and then Last Name.

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[chopstickchakra]

It's Newgate and Kid being the first names. Come on now, there's absolutely no reason to even suspect that for some reason, Oda decided to swap it around with them. Kid's been called "Captain Kid" and during WB's flashback when he revealed he just wanted a family, the crewmembers called him Newgate. I mean, look at Teach. His last name is Marshall, yet you don't go suspecting that's his first name.

While there are characters like Caesar where they've been called by their last name more predominantly than their given name, Oda has never introduced a naming scheme that's Given Name and then Last Name.

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That's not really proof though just interpretation. And the Captain Kid is actually one of the worst examples because how often have you heard crews calling their captain, Captain (first name) in fiction or real life? Typically it's last name or whole name. The real BB wasn't Captain Edward he was Captain Thatch/Teach or Captain Blackbeard, Captain Haddock from TinTin, Barbossa and Sparrow from Pirates, Calico Jack - Captain Rackham etc. So the fact that Captain goes in front of Kid actually implies his last name to be Kid just like the pirate captain he was named for Captain William Kidd.

And you use an example of people calling WB Newgate as evidence or proof that that's his first name but people get called by their last name especially in a group where its likely people share names so that panel doesn't prove in any real way that Newgate is his first name especially when we're talking about Caesar who you just said is being called by his last name, so if it can happen for him why is this automatically not an option for the panel you posted?

As someone else pointed out the best evidence is Weevil using the surname Edward as a sign that that is the case. So I agree that WB's familial name is Edward but Oda's never said that every person's name follows the Japanese tradition so some characters could have name schemes that are flipped.

 

[Punk Hazard]

That's not really proof though just interpretation.

Lmao the hell? What is there to suggest that Newgate ISN'T his first name?

And the Captain Kid is actually one of the worst examples because how often have you heard crews calling their captain, Captain (first name) in fiction or real life?

Is this real life? Is this another series? No. This is One Piece, meaning we go by what's shown in One Piece. And Oda has never displayed a character who's last name comes after the first.

Typically it's last name or whole name. The real BB wasn't Captain Edward he was Captain Thatch/Teach or Captain Blackbeard, Captain Haddock from TinTin, Barbossa and Sparrow from Pirates, Calico Jack - Captain Rackham etc. So the fact that Captain goes in front of Kid actually implies his last name to be Kid just like the pirate captain he was named for Captain William Kidd.

NONE of this is One Piece. You can't use naming traditions of real life to determine the naming schemes of One Piece. All of this shit is irrelevant.

And you use an example of people calling WB Newgate as evidence or proof that that's his first name but people get called by their last name especially in a group where its likely people share names so that panel doesn't prove in any real way that Newgate is his first name especially when we're talking about Caesar who you just said is being called by his last name, so if it can happen for him why is this automatically not an option for the panel you posted?

Except for the fact that Caesar's name scheme is Caesar Clown, which is the proof that he's called his last name. There is no supplementary information to assume that Edward Newgate is a flip on the naming scheme Oda has used for TWENTY YEARS.

As someone else pointed out the best evidence is Weevil using the surname Edward as a sign that that is the case. So I agree that WB's familial name is Edward but Oda's never said that every person's name follows the Japanese tradition so some characters could have name schemes that are flipped.

When has Oda deviated from this scheme though? There is no supplementary information that makes it reasonable to assume that Oda has switched the naming schemes for any characters. A character being referred to by their last name isn't evidence that the name was flipped, it's just them being called by their last name.

 

[straightup]

What about Caesar Clown? Everyone calls him Caesar instead of Clown.

Well the issue there I beleive is the fact that clown isn't part of his name. I'd consider that more of a nickname than an actual name. A great example of this would be akainu. His real name is sakazuki but he goes by and is introduced by the moniker akainu

 

[chopstickchakra]

Lmao the hell? What is there to suggest that Newgate ISN'T his first name?


Is this real life? Is this another series? No. This is One Piece, meaning we go by what's shown in One Piece. And Oda has never displayed a character who's last name comes after the first.



NONE of this is One Piece. You can't use naming traditions of real life to determine the naming schemes of One Piece. All of this shit is irrelevant.



Except for the fact that Caesar's name scheme is Caesar Clown, which is the proof that he's called his last name. There is no supplementary information to assume that Edward Newgate is a flip on the naming scheme Oda has used for TWENTY YEARS.


When has Oda deviated from this scheme though? There is no supplementary information that makes it reasonable to assume that Oda has switched the naming schemes for any characters. A character being referred to by their last name isn't evidence that the name was flipped, it's just them being called by their last name.

I've already said WB is Newgate Edward but that doesn't mean every character has to follow that pattern.

All last names first right? Then Hody Jones is last name Hody yeah?

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Here's another image if you try to discredit that one for saying Hordy.

Captain Hody. Captain precedes the last name. Captain Kid. Eustass Kid.

So what's the rule? It should be Captain Eustass if Eustass is the family name. Not every character has to follow a protocol the fans have established. Has there ever been a statement by Oda saying he's only and will only ever use the traditional Japanese styling of names? No you just created this restriction that all the names have to follow suit despite it being a large and varied world so it would make sense in story that names are presented differently in different areas. Oda doesn't have to use one style of naming just because that's the way you've seen it this whole time.

And you say don't use pirate examples or other fiction examples because this is One Piece. Yet you use a real world concept in the formal naming structure of Japanese culture in a manga that doesn't take place in Japan or our world for that matter because the author is Japanese. You at least see the irony in that right? The reason readers assume all the names are in the Japanese format is because they are incorporating an outside fact and applying it to the manga, so we apply the outside fact that the term Captain typically precedes the persons last name and apply it to the manga but for some reason that's not ok all of a sudden.