Confused on Uchiha vs. Senju

[HimuraKenshin]

Everyone seems to be using this argument against me.

To say "take Kurama from Naruto is like taking Sharingan from Sauske" is dumb. Naruto was given Kurama, not born with it. Take Orochimaru from Sauske -- and he still has Susanoo, Amaterasu, Genjutsu. GLHF Sennin mode Naruto.

I'm not an Uchiha fanboy, or a fanboy period. I'm just saying that the Uchiha seem vastly more powerful than any other single bloodline/clan at the most basic level.

The Tsunade argument is one that I hadn't considered, but it's hard for me to believe that she could beat a Tobi/Itachi/Madara.

You seem to forget that Sasuke wasn't born with Itachi's eyes either. They were given to him, taken from Itachi's dead body. I'm pretty sure that SM Naruto would be more than enough for Sasuke's MS.

You would probably say that Sasuke was able to achieve EMS because of his Uchiha trait. But the same goes for Naruto, he was able to become the host of the Kyuubi because of his Uzumaki bloodline with their massive chakra and the ability to supress the kyuubi's chakra. Probably the reason why only Uzumakis were chosen as Jinchuurikis of the kyuubi and why Minato believed Naruto would be able to control it. Both Sasuke and Naruto possess unique powers which they were born with.

 

[griems]

People seem to miss the fact that even without the Kyuubi normal Naruto would also have a shitload of chakra. THAT is his bloodline, Uzumaki blood.. his stamina.. that's all real Naruto.

The OP makes a valid point, so far in the manga besides Hashirama there's no ground to say Senju was stronger then Uchiha, all arrows point towards Uchiha being superior.

I don't see why this would make him a fanboy at all? Either you can't read or simply don't understand the question and try to mask your own idiocy by insulting others. Or you can't stand someone calling Senju weaker and take the insult route that way, it's pathetic.

And on the whole "if you strip Naruto of the Kyuubi" topic, I don't think Naruto has mastered everything SM has to offer, should he ever lose the Kyuubi I hope he'll go back to the toads and learn some more of their stuff - I'm sure even without the Kyuubi a fully mastered sage can defeat a (E)MS Uchiha.

 

[Great Sage of Uchiha]

Ur clearly an uchiha fanboy, take kurama from naruto and sharingan from sasuke Naruto>>>>>>>>>>>>sasuke like that. Ur trying to make other clans look bad. Hashirama is superior to madara, don't u think hashi defeated both madara and kyuubi for a reason, tthe power of madara conbined with the strongest tail beast besides juubi both defeated by a single man, name hashirama senju.

Ummmm buddy, Hashirama had ever seen nor has he ever fought the juubi that was the So6p.

 

[mrsaphen]

-- was Naruto born with Kyuubi?

No, he was born with the body which can hold the Kyuubi. Only Uzumakis were the Jinchuurikis of the Kyuubi, if you think about it its a bit like the eyes of the Uchihas that they can be the jinchuuriki of the kyuubi.