Conclusive proof that Tobi is Madara.

[kanesannin]

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Took me a while to find it. Happy now? Hashirama could control the beasts without being a host.

Control them but in what way? Could he make them attack someone/something or summon them? I don't think so.

Kyuubi having sharingan ? who said that ?

And i wasn't denying the fact that Madara/ Tobi had control over the Kyuubi. Konoha doesn't really count as a specific target since he summoned the Kyuubi over there, if he had told it to go there and destroy everything in sight then yes.
In Kushina's case, im not so sure, you have something there but I think it would have attacked her simply because it was confined in her for so long. I know i would attack my host...

And we have gone off topic btw...

You're right. This is off topic. Tobi is Madara and i stick to that for now.

:flaw::flaw: Tobi could be easily stating that because he could have planned his whole life to repeat the actions of Madara, just referring to how much he wants to control the Kyubi, remember the tablets referring to the MS? Those can be read by ANY sharingan user, it's not hard to know about the fact of controlling the Kyubi, .: it could easily be Tobi, not necessarily Madara, don't jump to conclusions just yet because of inconclusive evidence.

Which other sharingan user exactly? Who can control the 9 tails who has sharingan? One eye of Tobi is uncovered, so he's not a non uchiha cuz the sharingan drains chakra. Also, what normal sharingan allows you to suck ppl into other dimensions OR become intangible? Was the 4th hokage as well as Itachi both idiots to believe it was Madara? How did this individual manage to train Itachi uchiha all the secrets of the MS? Most importantly, what could any other person POSSIBLY have had against the uchiha clan that made him participate in the entire clan's massacre? All evidence points toward Tobi being Madara, so to summarize your argument=fail.

 

[Anub]

Control them but in what way? Could he make them attack someone/something or summon them? I don't think so.

"Hashirama and Madara were the only ones that could fully control the beasts"

I bolded the key word.

both of the were mentioned to fully control the beasts. so whatever madara can do, hashirama can as well.

 

[xShinra Tensei]

Control them but in what way? Could he make them attack someone/something or summon them? I don't think so.

You're right. This is off topic. Tobi is Madara and i stick to that for now.

Which other sharingan user exactly? Who can control the 9 tails who has sharingan? One eye of Tobi is uncovered, so he's not a non uchiha cuz the sharingan drains chakra. Also, what normal sharingan allows you to suck ppl into other dimensions OR become intangible? Was the 4th hokage as well as Itachi both idiots to believe it was Madara? How did this individual manage to train Itachi uchiha all the secrets of the MS? Most importantly, what could any other person POSSIBLY have had against the uchiha clan that made him participate in the entire clan's massacre? All evidence points toward Tobi being Madara, so to summarize your argument=fail.

:flaw::flaw: IF YOU READ WHAT I SAID I'M REFERRING TO BEING ABLE TO READ THE TABLET, LIKE ITACHI AND SASUKE DID WITH NORMAL SHARINGANS, WHICH STATES THAT THE OTHER POWER OF THE MS IS TO CONTROL THE KYUBI.

IF YOU SEE MY POINT, IT IS THAT ANYONE IN THE UCHIHA KNOWS THAT THE MS CAN CONTROL THE KYUBI, NOT NECESSARILY THAT MADARA DID, .: TOBI DOESN'T HAVE TO BE MADARA, HE JUST NEEDS TO HAVE THE MS; .: PREPARING ALL HIS LIFE TO CONTROL THE KYUBI LIKE HE APPARENTLY DID [IN THIS "NON-MADARA" SCENARIO"]. THIS IS WHY HE SAID BACK THEN " I HAVE BEEN WAITING SO LONG FOR THIS", HE DOESN'T HAVE TO BE MADARA!

 

[Hawker]

Which other sharingan user exactly? Who can control the 9 tails who has sharingan? One eye of Tobi is uncovered, so he's not a non uchiha cuz the sharingan drains chakra. Also, what normal sharingan allows you to suck ppl into other dimensions OR become intangible? Was the 4th hokage as well as Itachi both idiots to believe it was Madara? How did this individual manage to train Itachi uchiha all the secrets of the MS? Most importantly, what could any other person POSSIBLY have had against the uchiha clan that made him participate in the entire clan's massacre? All evidence points toward Tobi being Madara, so to summarize your argument=fail.

We don't know that his space-time jutsu is related to sharingan. Still I agree with your other points.

 

[xShinra Tensei]

We don't know that his space-time jutsu is related to sharingan. Still I agree with your other points.

So do I, but he didn't read what I stated properly, I hate it when people go TL;DR just because they have made an inconclusive point.

 

[kanesannin]

:flaw::flaw: IF YOU READ WHAT I SAID I'M REFERRING TO BEING ABLE TO READ THE TABLET, LIKE ITACHI AND SASUKE DID WITH NORMAL SHARINGANS, WHICH STATES THAT THE OTHER POWER OF THE MS IS TO CONTROL THE KYUBI.

IF YOU SEE MY POINT, IT IS THAT ANYONE IN THE UCHIHA KNOWS THAT THE MS CAN CONTROL THE KYUBI, NOT NECESSARILY THAT MADARA DID, .: TOBI DOESN'T HAVE TO BE MADARA, HE JUST NEEDS TO HAVE THE MS; .: PREPARING ALL HIS LIFE TO CONTROL THE KYUBI LIKE HE APPARENTLY DID [IN THIS "NON-MADARA" SCENARIO"]. THIS IS WHY HE SAID BACK THEN " I HAVE BEEN WAITING SO LONG FOR THIS", HE DOESN'T HAVE TO BE MADARA!

Well since you can't seem to stop, one good turn deserves another:
:flaw::flaw::flaw::flaw::flaw::flaw::flaw::flaw::flaw::flaw:
1. Who else has EVER had the MS before Itachi? 2 people, (Izuna and Madara) Izuna's dead and that leaves.....Madara!! No one has ever used the MS to control the kyuubi except for Madara either.
2. Read the above point^^

So do I, but he didn't read what I stated properly, I hate it when people go TL;DR just because they have made an inconclusive point.

Nonsense. You did'nt read what i said , the only inconclusive person here is you, my conclusive view is that Tobi is indeed, Madara.

 

[Hawker]

...Tobi is indeed, Madara.

Well said and there's no denying that so it's end of discussion.......



......but I guess, still someone just wants to make things even more complicated. So could we make a theory that Tobi is in fact Konohamaru?

 

[MikeyGuz]

yeaaaaaaaa...baby..yeaaa

 

[Schmack]

nothing's conclusive until it's conclusive.

 

[Hawker]

nothing's conclusive until it's conclusive.

I get what ur saying but in this case it's like the same as "hell, no one has proven that Shikamaru hasn't been the whole time one of Zetsu's clones, so yeah he could be something else than Shikamaru as we know it" etc..

 

[D3A]

sigh c'mon lets all assume tobi IS madara untill kishi, THE CREATOR, tells us otherwise

 

[Hawker]

sigh c'mon lets all assume tobi IS madara untill kishi, THE CREATOR, tells us otherwise

yeap agreed.. all this speculation starts to sound so retarded

 

[Trinky]

You have it all wrong. Moegi is Madara! D:

(joking, just find it funny that these threads are still being made ;P)

 

[Hawker]

You have it all wrong. Moegi is Madara! D:

(joking, just find it funny that these threads are still being made ;P)

c'mon it can't be moegi..it's obviously the ramen guy - _ - lol

 

[D3A]

yup, he was so nice to naruto to gain his trust. then once naruto lowers his guard, ramen man will rip the kyuubi right outa naruto

 

[xShinra Tensei]

Well since you can't seem to stop, one good turn deserves another:
:flaw::flaw::flaw::flaw::flaw::flaw::flaw::flaw::flaw::flaw:
1. Who else has EVER had the MS before Itachi? 2 people, (Izuna and Madara) Izuna's dead and that leaves.....Madara!! No one has ever used the MS to control the kyuubi except for Madara either.
2. Read the above point^^

Nonsense. You did'nt read what i said , the only inconclusive person here is you, my conclusive view is that Tobi is indeed, Madara.

Ah but who says that there were only ever 2 MS users? Tobi! because he possibly wants people to believe he is Madara And possibly the history books of course...

Honestly I think he is Madara as well, but I just think there's no point jumping to conclusions yet, because he could be anyone for all we know, there's no actual evidence of him using his EMS/MS yet, and why has he got his sharingan on active all the time?

There's also the question of the Sixth Coffin

Honestly you act like you believe everything you are fed, you don't seem to read between the lines very well, remember all the facts that we have been given about Madara and Izuna have come from him, and while that is heavily pointing towards Madara, it could simply be some a$$hole fake who has done his research and has the sharingan, but the time-space jutsu leaves something to be desired

Troll mode activated; I think Tobi is Aizen getting on Naruto after getting ROFLstomped, and it is Ichigo who is in the Sixth Coffin

 

[Hawker]

Ah but who says that there was only ever 2 MS users? Tobi! because he wants people to believe he is Madara.

Honestly I think he is Madara as well, but I just think there's no point jumping to conclusions yet, because he could be anyone for all we know, there's no actual evidence of him using his EMS/MS yet, and why has he got his sharingan on active all the time?

There's also the question of the Sixth Coffin

Honestly you act like you believe everything you are fed, you don't seem to read between the lines very well, remember all the facts that we have been given about Madara and Izuna come from him, and while that is heavily pointing towards Madara, it could simply be some a$$hole fake who has done his research and has the sharingan, but the time-space jutsu leaves something to be desired

Well how 'bout the fact that Onoki the Tshuchikage has fought Madara and so know's what his voice sounds like. He didn't say any obejctions during the Kage meeting when Madara talked.
The theory on Izuna sounds very plausible and interesting but why would he pose as Madara.Why would anyone pose as Madara. I don't get that.

 

[xShinra Tensei]

Well how 'bout the fact that Onoki the Tshuchikage has fought Madara and so know's what his voice sounds like. He didn't say any obejctions during the Kage meeting when Madara talked.
The theory on Izuna sounds very plausible and interesting but why would he pose as Madara.Why would anyone pose as Madara. I don't get that.

World domination, who doesn't want to pose as the founder of Konoha and the one who fought Hashirama?

But I forgot about that, that certainly contributes to him being Madara more , but possibly Voice Hax no Jutsu?

But yes until he takes off his mask/ we see what's in the coffin I'm not jumping on the Madara bandwagon just yet, also why does Kabuto refer to him as "Tobi" and not "Madara" despite the fact that he's being introduced to him as Madara? Either he's trying to annoy him, or something deeper.

Kishi knows all, so just sit and wait!

Also check this out on YT ; watch?v=NVR_ZCa3ikc, you will LOL.

 

[JTjutsumaster]

Tobi is not Obito. It is IMPOSSABLE!
Well, although he looks like it, Tobi would be completly blind. Half his face was crushed, meaning the right-sharingan eye was crushed, and Obito's Left eye was implanted un Kakashi's eye.

 

[xShinra Tensei]

Tobi is not Obito. It is IMPOSSABLE!
Well, although he looks like it, Tobi would be completly blind. Half his face was crushed, meaning the right-sharingan eye was crushed, and Obito's Left eye was implanted un Kakashi's eye.

Thanks for telling us what we already know, since you didn't quote/reply to anyone