Complete Temari Analysis

[Icelerate]

I see what you're saying however the power difference isn't much between them.

Shikamaru having full knowledge on Temari would help him even more. Not only that, but he already bested her once. Temari has developed nicely but so has Shikamaru.

Shikamaru having full knowledge on Temari wouldn't really matter because she really had no secrets to hide. Unless you are really dumb like part 1 Naruto, it is obvious she is a wind user. Having full knowledge would benefit Temari a lot more than Shikamaru.

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You see the fight between them was very close you can't just say that Shikamaru outclasses her. If he hadn't trapped her in time, he would have been in pretty bad shape.

Also Shikamaru during part 1 was a chunin, right now he is still a chunin. Temari in part 1 was a genin, currently she is a jounin. She has developed far more than Shikamaru. Also Shikamaru has no counters for many of Temari's jutsus. The one she used against Tayuya, Sasuke and/or all have high killing potential and are very difficult to dodge. The one she used against Shikamaru was the weakest version which wasn't very wide.

As for the intelligence gap between them, it is probably lesser than the one between Sasuke and Itachi. I believe Shikamaru is almost as smart as Itachi but Temari is slightly more smarter than Sasuke.

she cant beat Kankuro

he has sasori as his tool and when use's the water gun it can cut rocks in half and go trew the wind and kill her or he could use the fire and kill her easy i mean that power is massive scrounger then any wind move i can think of

Well I really did not know the true extent of Sasori's power but keep in mind he just got the puppet so he probably doesn't know how to use it. Furthermore, Temari will see his new puppet and seek to destroy it first because she doesn't know all of its abilities. If she can destroy it before Kankuro figures out how to use it then the rest of the battle wouldn't be too difficult.

I agree, and also Temari is one of my fav characters

Thanks for reading the thread and if I missed a piece of information I will be glad to add it to the OP.

 

[Ryuu..]

Great thread man, I agree with practically all of your analysis, except I think she was exaggerating when she said she could spam Kiri kiri mai. Sort of like when Kakashi said he was going to Kamui all 5 TBB; not happening.

 

[Negative Knight]

Awesome thread and i know it took a lot of effort

A very good read and you've convinced me that Temari is far stronger than we give her credit

+Rep for the detail and evidence in the thread

 

[Icelerate]

Great thread man, I agree with practically all of your analysis, except I think she was exaggerating when she said she could spam Kiri kiri mai. Sort of like when Kakashi said he was going to Kamui all 5 TBB; not happening.

She probably was overexaggerating but if genin Temari could do so much damage with that jutsu, I think she could do a lot more now that she is a jounin.

Remember when Naruto first learned the rasengan? Now he can spam huge giant variants. The same could be said for Sasuke but those are main characters so it is somewhat foolish on my part to do that. By the way did you read the whole thing?

 

[Sasunarufan13]

This thread must have taken a lot of time but it paid off. It's very detailed and you back up everything with manga facts, which shows you're not biased.
Temari is one of my favourite kunoichi because she is strong and contrarily to some other kunoichi she can kick ass.
I'm just hesitating a bit about base Naruto and her being able to defeat him. I'm not so sure if she would succeed in that. Not saying your reasoning isn't logical, because it is, no doubt about that, but Naruto is known for being the most unpredictable shinobi. He defeated Neji when it seemed he would lose against him, just by surprising him and keep going on instead of admitting defeat.
So base Naruto is doubtful, not only because he is strong but also because he can be quite unpredictable. It wouldn't surprise me if he pulled something unpredictable against Temari, when it seems he would lose.
But that's the only one I'm doubtful about.
Good work! +rep

 

[Ryuu..]

She probably was overexaggerating but if genin Temari could do so much damage with that jutsu, I think she could do a lot more now that she is a jounin.

Remember when Naruto first learned the rasengan? Now he can spam huge giant variants. The same could be said for Sasuke but those are main characters so it is somewhat foolish on my part to do that. By the way did you read the whole thing?

Yes I read it all, how comes?

 

[raju22]

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This thread will be divided into two parts. In the first part, we will look at all of Temari's stats and arsenal. In the second part I will talk about the ninjas that Temari can beat and give valid reasons.

First of all here are Temari's stats in the three Naruto data books.

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Temari's stat predictions for the 4th data book:
Ninjutsu: 4.5
Taijutsu: 2.5
Genjutsu: 1.5
Intelligence: 4.5
Strength: 4
Speed: 3.5
Stamina: 3.5
Hand Seals: 3.5
Total: 27.5

On paper these stats look pretty bad but I will analyse each and every one of them to show you how in reality they are actually good.

Ninjutsu​

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In this section we will take a look at all of Temari's jutsus. I will show you a picture and thoroughly analyse each.

Kamaitachi No Jutsu
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In this picture, Temari attacks Shikamaru who is hiding behind a tree. Tenten comments how this jutsu was powerful enough to deflect all of Tenten's weapons.

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The data book gives this jutsu a rank of C. This was Temari's only jutsu during the Chunin Exams and was able to knock Tenten unconscious after cutting Tenten up pretty badly. All her weapons were blocked and the tree that Shikamaru was hiding behind took damage. Tenten who had a 3 in speed could not dodge this attack and was knocked unconscious which shows the power behind this attack. With just this attack in her arsenal, she was equal to Shikamaru during the Chunin Exams. Both Shikamaru and Temari during the Chunin Exam finals were low chunin level ninja.

Now let us see the exact same kamaitachi jutsu but this time used in part 2.
Currently, this jutsu of her's is powerful enough to cut metal armour that Samurai use.

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So you see that her base wind scythe which in part 1 couldn't even fully cut a tree can now slice metal armour. This shows that all of her jutsu powers have increased a lot. It also shows that she has a great control over how she controls her wind because she did not hurt the samurai and was able to cut the armour and make sure the amaterasu doesn't touch the samurai.

Dai Kamaitachi No Jutsu
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In this picture below, Temari attacks Tayuya using a stronger version of the kamaitachi no jutsu. This one is a B rank jutsu as opposed to the original version.

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As you can see, this jutsu's power and range far outclasses the first one. Even the Naruto Wiki says it is a lot more powerful than her Kamaitachi No Jutsu. If her first jutsu is deadly enough to knock Tenten unconscious but couldn't cut a tree, this jutsu, which can cut several trees at once must be able to do a lot more damage. It is also a lot harder to avoid because it covers a wider range. If you read the panel, Temari was able to deflect the sound waves so sound genjutsu is ineffective against her. On the same panel, Shikamaru admits inferiority to Temari after seeing this jutsu. At this point Temari is a high chunin level ninja until she shows us this:

Kiri Kiri Mae
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As you can see, this jutsu of her's is on a completely different level compared to all of her previous attacks. It is a very fast jutsu capable of slicing the environment and many enemy ninjas in the vicinity. Temari only uses this technique when the enemy is hiding from her eyesight or behind cover. She doesn't even need to be a sensor to be able to defeat an enemy that she can not see. According to the Naruto Wiki, Tayuya was screaming in pain before she was crushed by the trees so it is a technique that will slice an enemy and deal a lot of damage. The Naruto Wiki also states that the weasel she summons is so small and fast that it can not be seen by the unaided eye. This obviously excludes dojutsu users and sensors but you get the idea that not a lot of people can counter this technique.

The data book says that this jutsu's area of effect spans for several hundreds of meters.
術の効果範囲は、術者を中心として半径数百ｍにも及ぶ。またその大旋風は、薙ぎ払われた巨木や岩をも巻き込 み、敵はなす術なく倒れ去るのみ！！
"The effects of the jutsu stretch outwards for several hundred metres. The swirling winds also whip up the mowed down trees and boulders which rain down on the helpless enemy!!"

The data book also states that the jutsu is useful for breaking down enemy defences and if Temari is completely surrounded by a huge number of enemy ninjas she can kill them with a kiri kiri Mae.
多数の敵に四方を囲まれたり、遮蔽物に隠れた敵を攻撃する場合に極めて有効。術の発動後、自身の姿を曝して しまうことだけが、唯一の難点だ。
"It is highly effective when surrounded on all sides or when the enemy is hiding behind a shield. The sole weakness of the jutsu is that it exposes the user’s position."

At this point, I would say Temari is easily a low jounin level ninja and her power rivals that of one tailed Naruto and CS2 Sasuke.

She hasn't used this jutsu in Shippuden but look at what she says in the panel circled in red.

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This is just too OP!!! Attacking him continuously with that jutsu over an interval is like Sasuke spamming kirin or Naruto spamming a TBB over a continuous interval. She hasn't done this but I will take her word for it.

Wind Cast Net
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This is what the Naruo Wiki says about this technique.
"Using her Giant Folding Fan, Temari creates multiple narrow currents of wind that form a large net of sorts. The winds generated from this technique, are sharp enough to slice deeply into an opponent even one such as the Third Raikage, who was renown for his tremendous durability."

Basically if an ordinary ninja is hit by this technique than they are as good as dead because those narrow yet powerful currents of wind will chop their bodies and internal organs like a saw chopping wood. Notice the wideness of this attack, not many ninjas can dodge this.

I personally think this technique is an S rank because of the deadliness. The Third Raikage tanked a TBB so even doing a little bit of damage against the 3rd Raikage makes this jutsu an extremely powerful one.

Okamaitachi No Jutsu
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I didn't want to post a scan of this jutsu because she only used it once and it didn't seem very powerful because Sasuke's susanoo tanked the attack like it was nothing. This also shows that even an incomplete susanoo is extremely OP. Anyway the Naruto Wiki says this jutsu is a more powerful version of Dai Kamaitachi No Jutsu which is a more powerful version of the regular Kamaitachi No Jutsu. If you read the power difference between Dai Kamaitachi No Jutsu and the Kamaitachi No Jutsu you should realize that this will have an even greater range and deal even more damage. This jutsu is not in the data book yet because it was used in the kage summit arc but going by the ranking system this one is most certainly an A rank jutsu.

We see a ranking trend here:
Kamaitachi No Jutsu = C rank
Dai Kamaitachi No Jutsu = B rank
Okamaitachi No Jutsu = A rank

Taijutsu​

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Taijutsu is not Temari's specialty and it has always stayed a constant 2.5. Although she has better taijutsu than any of her siblings. Saying all of this her taijutsu in part 1 was on par with or greater than weighted Lee.

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She easily blocked a kick from weighted Lee and then commented on how pathetic his kick was. Lee also did the same kick against Sasuke but Sasuke could not react to it despite having a sharingan. This shows that Temari's reaction speed was better than pre exam 2 tomoe Sasuke. Lee's kicks are also very strong so Temari being able to block such a powerful kick after coming out of a fight shows just how physically strong she is.

Her stats did stay constant which would mean she stopped training in taijutsu. I believe that in the beginning she honed her skills in ordinary taijutsu before becoming a wind specialist and then her taijutsu skilled stayed constant after that because she no longer needed to train those skills if she could just blow the enemies away.

Genjutsu​

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Temari has got a constant 1.5 in genjutsu which is not surprising because she doesn't even use it. Despite all this, sound genjutsu is useless against her because her wind is strong enough to mess up the sound waves:

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You see genjutsu based on sound waves are not effective against her. Sound based genjutsus are very powerful and can cause even very elite shinobi such as Itachi, Sasuke and Pain problems. There aren't many counters to these types of genjutsus which makes someone like Temari very helpful when fighting opponents who use these types of genjutsu.

Intelligence​

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Temari has been shown to be very intelligent. Compared to geniuses like Neji and Sasuke, Temari has a higher score in intelligence than them. If you reread the fight between her and Shikamaru, Asuma was very impressed with her intelligence. She was able to see through most of Shikamaru's traps except for that hole one and this is because the hole was behind her so she could not have seen it coming. She deciphered Shikamaru's shadow jutsu pretty quickly and was able to quickly adapt to many difficult instances in the battle.

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This picture shows that Asuma was impressed with her intelligence and was compared to Shikamaru's who has an IQ of over 200. Kurenei commented how Shikamaru's plan wasn't good enough. In the panel we also see that Temari was able to figure out that as the battle dragged on, Shikamaru's shadows would grow longer because the sun would move. Not many people can think this deeply in the middle of an intense battle. Her deep thinking and strategies during battle shows us that she remains calm, collected and calculating even in the most intense situations.
The data book agrees with me:
危機的状況下でも、決して慌てることのないテマリ。綿密な分析が、勝利への礎となる。
"Even in a crisis, Temari never panics. A detailed analysis is the keystone to victory."

あの我愛羅とカンクロウの姉だけあって、風を操るその実力は相当なもの。状況を冷静に観察しながらも、ここ ぞと見れば一気に動く。戦闘におけるバランス感覚は、姉弟中一番だろう。
"Being the older sister of Gaara and Kankurō, her own ability of wind control is formidable. She surveys the situation calmly, and moves the instant she spots an opening. Her sense of balance in combat is probably the best out of her siblings."

As you can see, her intelligence level jumped from 2.5 to 3.5 in a span of two months (during chunin exams all the way to Sasuke Retrieval Arc). This huge bump is hard to explain but I believe her talks with Shikamaru made her smarter just like Sasuke's talk with Itachi seems to have made him much smarter. Also her problems with her father and her brother Gaara stopped so I believe she was able to think more clearly after the Invasion of Konoha Arc.

Currently, Temari has shown us strong leadership skills in the war arc. If it wasn't for her, a lot more people would have been killed by the 3rd Raikage. She was ordering ninjas to stand back whenever the 3rd launched an attack. She basically took control of the 4th division once Shikamaru and Gaara left and were too busy in other battles.

Strength​

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As shown earlier in a picture, Temari was able to block a kick by Lee. These kicks are very strong as shown in Lee's battle with Gaara. Lee also had weights on during that time which would increase the weight of those kicks but Temari shrugged them off like it was nothing and trolled Lee by telling him he is pathetic. If you compare the score that Temari got in strength with other characters. You will see that Temari's strength is on par with Kakashi, Itachi, base Naruto and Sasuke. They all got a 3.5 in strength just like Temari. All of them have pretty good strength feats and it shouldn't require rocket science to see this. Also Temari carries and swings a giant metal fan in battle like it is nothing so this should tell you that she boasts great physical strength.

Speed​

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Temari isn't a fast ninja compared to many others but she doesn't need to be fast because she is a mid-long range fighter. Unlike people who use taijutsu, she does not need to be super fast.

Saying all this, her reaction speeds along with her two brothers are actually very good. She was able to react to Lee's kicks, Tenten's weapons, Shikamaru's shadows and Tayuya's sound. Sound travels very fast so her being able to swing her fan in time shows us that she has amazing reaction speed. Also recently she fought the 3rd Raikage and never complained about the Raikage being too fast. She was also able to hit him which I showed earlier, meaning that she can keep up with opponents much faster than her.

Stamina​

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Temari's stamina is pretty good for a young female jounin and was on par with Kakashi's and the 3rd Hokage. Her stamina is better than sick Itachi's. Remember though these data book stats are old so current Temari will obviously have an even better stamina than Kakashi and the 3rd Hokage. This is kind of obvious because her stamina has increased each data book entry.

As a genin, she was able to summon katamari in the middle of a battle. Summoning jutsus are very difficult to perform when you are a genin because they take too much chakra. Even part 1 Naruto (a stamina monster) could barely summon a small frog.

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I believe current Temari is a high jounin level ninja. Her power and skills as a ninja rival part 1 Kakashi, part 1 Gaara and Yamato.

Also look at what the 3rd Hokage says about the Sand Village after Temari beat Tenten.

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Basically he says that they are dangerous which means that the 3rd was impressed by Temari's power. This is the same guy who is supposedly one of the strongest ninjas to have ever lived which is saying a lot.

List of Young Ninjas that can Beat Temari​

Naruto: All he has to do is turn into the strongest bijuu ever and destroy her with a TBB.
Sasuke: Susanoo will tank anything and everything Temari throws at him.
Gaara: Temari admitted inferiority towards her younger brother and there is a reason why Gaara is the Kazekage while Temari is just a jounin. Also Gaara's sand will tank her wind because Naruto said Gaara's sand is a stronger defence than the 3rd Raikage's skin and if the 3rd can tank her wind, so can Gaara.
Lee: If he goes in gates, there is no way Temari can keep up with his speed.
Tenten:Ironically Tenten is on the list of ninjas that can beat Temari. She can only do this by using the banana fan to create a huge flame that will use Temari's attack as fuel and burn her.

List of Young Ninjas that Temari can Beat​

Ino: Ino is not that fast and her mind transfer is dodge-able and very risky. Ino can not afford to take such a big risk or else she will remain unconscious and you know what that means. If Ino decides to attack Temari upfront then Temari can easily block her punches. Temari will then proceed to blast her with fuuton and knock her unconscious like she did with Tenten.

Hinata: Hinata's blows can easily be blocked by Temari's fan. Temari is also faster and much smarter than her. Hinata does not have rotation to protect herself which is why Temari simply one shots her with anything in her arsenal.

Sakura: Sakura is a close range fighter like the other two before her so the only chance she has is if she starts close to Temari. Sakura's punches are very strong and will destroy Temari's fan so Temari can't simply deflect her punches like she did with Lee. At mid range Sakura can throw some sleeping gas bombs but this attack can easily be blown away by Temari. Anyway Temari is the clear victor unless they start right next to each other.

Kiba: Kiba is pretty fast so Temari better watch out. She was able to keep up with the 3rd Raikage in base so Temari should easily be able to slice Kiba before he touches her. Kiba is pretty durable and fast so Temari will need to use any B rank jutsu or higher against him. Temari is the clear victor at any range except for an initial <10 m starting distance.

Shikamaru: Temari knows all of Shikamaru's fighting style and abilities so she won't fall for the same trick twice. Shikamaru basically admitted inferiority to Temari during the Sasuke Retrieval Arc. Now that she is jounin and Shikamaru is still chunin, it is clear who is stronger between the two of them. Any one of her jutsus should be able to take Shikamaru out for good.

Shino: Shino's bugs are pretty effective in taking people out but Temari can just blow them away. Temari is superior to Shino at any range because even her taijutsu is better than his.

List of Young Ninjas that Temari can Most Likely Beat​

Choji: Choji is now a giant and can fly in butterfly mode. He is very strong and squish Temari like a bug. On the other hand, just because Choji is a giant doesn't mean he can't get hurt. He would still feel lots of pain if he is hit by a wind scythe. Choji is a huge target so Temari should not have problem cutting him. His body is big but not as durable as the 3rd Raikage. Also, Temari can slice Choji's wings off and he will come crashing down. At close range Choji is the clear victor. At mid range it can go either way but I believe Temari would most likely win. At long range Temari would most definitely win but Choji in his butterfly mode will put up a good fight.

Sai: Sai is pretty elusive and stealthily. He can also create any type of monster he desires simply by drawing. He can also use ink clones to confuse Temari. He'd definitely put up a good fight at any range. On the other hand, Temari's jutsus are much faster to activate because all she has to do is swing her fan unlike Sai who has to draw them out. Her wind with its large radius will destroy all of Sai's monsters. If Sai goes airborne Temari can still hit him so it is a pretty bad idea if he does that. Overall Temari is the clear victor except for close range where she can get blitzed.

Neji: This would be a really good fight to behold. I believe Temari can beat Neji at mid or long range but would lose to him at close range. Temari's wind cast net or Kiri kiri mae should destroy Neji's rotation. Also Neji is very fast so Temari needs to keep her distance from him or he can use vacuum palm. Neji is a genius but Temari is more intelligent and a better strategist than him. Also Temari has much better feats than him. In part 1, Temari defeated Tayuya without much difficulty but she had some help and knowledge. Neji, on the other hand, almost died fighting Kidoumaro and would have lost if Kidoumaro wasn't toying around. In part 2, Neji has pretty pathetic feats and is outclassed by Temari who managed to hold her composure while fighting the 3rd Raikage with the help of fodders.

Kankuro: I'm on the fence on this one but I believe Temari can pull it off. Kankuro is very effective against his opponents because they lack knowledge of his puppets. Temari, on the other hand, knows all of her brother's strategies and all the traps the puppets hold. She should be able to defeat him based on this. She is also smarter than him and is his older sister. Her wind should be able to destroy his puppets and cut those chakra strings pretty easily. Sasori's puppet is the hard part because it holds a katon jutsu which, if Kankuro knows how to use effectively, will defeat her. She could theoretically hide behind her fan and let the flames pass though and I am assuming Kankuro does not know how to use that puppet properly yet. IMO, Temari beats him at all ranges but with high difficulty.

Base Naruto: I believe Temari can beat Naruto at long range as long as he stays in base. Her wind would slice all of his summons. She can destroy all his shadow clones with ease. If Naruto tries to attack her with rasengan or rasenshuriken, she can try to destroy the clones before the attack is complete. Naruto in base is also not too fast so Temari could take out him and all his clones with a kiri kiri mae.

Base Lee: Lee is fast and all but if Temari can keep up with the 3rd Raikage in base, she shouldn't get blitz by a Lee without gates. We all know that Temari kept up with weighted Lee quite easily and I'm sure she can keep up with weightless Lee. I don't think Lee can dodge a wind cast net because it has a huge width. Lee clearly beats her in CQC but Temari easily destroys him at long range. At mid range Temari would still win.

If you have read all of this make sure to read this one as well (it is related to Temari):

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Finally managed to find your thread.xd

You have done a very good job putting all this up sadly it says i can not rep you i have to spread some more.

I agree75%, because i think Temari can not beat Base Lee(leg weights removed),Base Naruto (to much tricky and stubborn for her to defeat),Neji (his Rotation not only protects him but can also turn the opponents power against them),Sai(way to smart for her to defeat, he can go underground and fool her with ink clone,and attack her while she is busy killing his clone),Shikamaru Nara (in part one Temari had all the knowledge about his jutsu but he still bested her,him being chunin has nothing to do with there power lvl since he is only chunin because he does not want to do more work).

I think she can beat other you mentioned but they will give her trouble specially Chouji and Kankuro.

 

[Icelerate]

This thread must have taken a lot of time but it paid off. It's very detailed and you back up everything with manga facts, which shows you're not biased.
Temari is one of my favourite kunoichi because she is strong and contrarily to some other kunoichi she can kick ass.
I'm just hesitating a bit about base Naruto and her being able to defeat him. I'm not so sure if she would succeed in that. Not saying your reasoning isn't logical, because it is, no doubt about that, but Naruto is known for being the most unpredictable shinobi. He defeated Neji when it seemed he would lose against him, just by surprising him and keep going on instead of admitting defeat.
So base Naruto is doubtful, not only because he is strong but also because he can be quite unpredictable. It wouldn't surprise me if he pulled something unpredictable against Temari, when it seems he would lose.
But that's the only one I'm doubtful about.
Good work! +rep

Yeah me too but imo opinion Temari can beat him at long range because what long range jutsus does base Naruto actually have? You said Naruto is known to be very unpredictable which is false because all he does is shadow clones and rasengan. If we take plot into account then Naruto would definitely find a way to win. Also base Naruto's chakra is limited so if he keeps on spamming clones he will get tired. His best bet is to wear Temari down and then when she lets down her guard to catch a breath, rasengan her to the face.

Although Temari is still the favourite at a long range combat situation because her wide long range jutsus could possibly cut Naruto up so badly triggering the nine tails. If that happens then it is a victory for her. Also she is a much better strategist and is very calm during a battle.

Finally managed to find your thread.xd

You have done a very good job putting all this up sadly it says i can not rep you i have to spread some more.

I agree75%, because i think Temari can not beat Base Lee(leg weights removed),Base Naruto (to much tricky and stubborn for her to defeat),Neji (his Rotation not only protects him but can also turn the opponents power against them),Sai(way to smart for her to defeat, he can go underground and fool her with ink clone,and attack her while she is busy killing his clone),Shikamaru Nara (in part one Temari had all the knowledge about his jutsu but he still bested her,him being chunin has nothing to do with there power lvl since he is only chunin because he does not want to do more work).

I think she can beat other you mentioned but they will give her trouble specially Chouji and Kankuro.

Lee: At what ranges do you think Lee can beat Temari?

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The reason why I said Temari beats Lee is simple, without the gates his speed is bound to be on par with or inferior to the 3rd Raikage (Temari kept up with him). How does a user who uses no mid or long range attacks manage to defeat a mid-long range specialist except at close range? Even at close range all she has to do is swing her fan and push Lee backwards giving her some range to work with.

Naruto: Same as Rock Lee but he has a huge stamina so he could try to overwhelm and exhaust Temari with shadow clones. He can beat Temari at any range except for long range.

Sai: You said Sai fools Temari pretty easily and kills her with what? Some ink beasts??? Those can be destroyed by any of Temari's jutsus. You are severely underrating her reaction speeds. She was able to deflect SOUND WAVES. Do you know how fast those things travel. She also dodged Shikamaru's shadows even when she let down her guard.

Shikamaru: He admitted inferiority to Temari when he said Temari's jutsus are much better than his own. Also Shikamaru's shadows are easily dodged. What else does he have. Can Shikamaru dodge Okamaitachi No Jutsu, wind cast net or Kiri kiri mae?

 

[Tartarus]

She is really strong, I think she could probably beat Konan too

 

[Icelerate]

She is really strong, I think she could probably beat Konan too

I don't think so because even though Konan is one of the weaker members of Akatsuki and can be overrated by many just because she managed to almost kill Tobi. She is still much more experienced and slightly more intelligent than her.

Her paper intangibility is underrated because I don't think Temari can kill Konan if she turns into paper because no matter how much Temari cuts Konan, Konan can just come back. Also Konan can make a huge number of explosive paper clones.

Temari will be getting attacked from all sides and will get overwhelmed by those clones. Konan also has a huge amount of chakra because she was able to use 600 billion paper tags and control them with her own chakra.

 

[Airjustu]

wow don't you think typing and copying and pasting all this isn't a waste of time...even a little bit?

 

[raju22]

Lee: At what ranges do you think Lee can beat Temari?

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The reason why I said Temari beats Lee is simple, without the gates his speed is bound to be on par with or inferior to the 3rd Raikage (Temari kept up with him). How does a user who uses no mid or long range attacks manage to defeat a mid-long range specialist except at close range? Even at close range all she has to do is swing her fan and push Lee backwards giving her some range to work with.

Naruto: Same as Rock Lee but he has a huge stamina so he could try to overwhelm and exhaust Temari with shadow clones. He can beat Temari at any range except for long range.

Sai: You said Sai fools Temari pretty easily and kills her with what? Some ink beasts??? Those can be destroyed by any of Temari's jutsus. You are severely underrating her reaction speeds. She was able to deflect SOUND WAVES. Do you know how fast those things travel. She also dodged Shikamaru's shadows even when she let down her guard.

Shikamaru: He admitted inferiority to Temari when he said Temari's jutsus are much better than his own. Also Shikamaru's shadows are easily dodged. What else does he have. Can Shikamaru dodge Okamaitachi No Jutsu, wind cast net or Kiri kiri mae?

You really want me to type lol, i am sleepy, but i will defend my boy Lee even if i have to loose sleeep.xd

Lee with his leg weights removed is very fast for Temari to keep track, and she can not hit what she can not see, when he does Lotus he opens the first gate and literally vanishes from the scene and appears right below his opponent, Temari has no counter for him, she can swing her fan but that wont do her any good if Lee is right behind or below her so he beats her with any range.

Naruto can easily exhaust temari with his Shadow clone and rasengan spam, and let us not forget that he can Summon Gamabunta, and One liquid bullet from him will wreck Temari inside out.


Sai is a very cunning ninja and he always uses his tecs in a very effective manner, Temari can not blow those snake slithring on the ground when she is busy fighting his ink beasts, and ones those snake reach Temari she will not be able to do anything.

Shikamru was dodging Temari's jutsu throughout the battle in the first part, and he knows pretty well how to farm a stretegy to counter them, also note that now he can use chakra kunai to do his Shadow jutsu and Temari with her fan makes a large shadow, + the guy is on a whole other lvl of intelligence then her.

Finally the main weakness Temari has is that she uses her Fan to do every ninjutsu, ones the fan is out of her hands she is nothing but a fodder, and every ninja i mentioned above are capable of doing this, she does not has physical strength to hold her fan against a solid attack directed towards her wrists.

 

[Icelerate]

You really want me to type lol, i am sleepy, but i will defend my boy Lee even if i have to loose sleeep.xd

Lee with his leg weights removed is very fast for Temari to keep track, and she can not hit what she can not see, when he does Lotus he opens the first gate and literally vanishes from the scene and appears right below his opponent, Temari has no counter for him, she can swing her fan but that wont do her any good if Lee is right behind or below her so he beats her with any range.

No base Lee speed is less than the 3rd Raikage. If Temari did not complain about not being able to see the 3rd Raikage, she should be able to see and react to Lee. How does Lee beat her at long range when he doesn't have any long range jutsu. Don't talk about the lotus I am clearly talking about Base Lee not gated Lee.

Naruto can easily exhaust temari with his Shadow clone and rasengan spam, and let us not forget that he can Summon Gamabunta, and One liquid bullet from him will wreck Temari inside out.

Yeah I agree but Temari has a small chance.

Sai is a very cunning ninja and he always uses his tecs in a very effective manner, Temari can not blow those snake slithring on the ground when she is busy fighting his ink beasts, and ones those snake reach Temari she will not be able to do anything.

Temari also uses her techs in an effective manner.U_U It is faster to swing a fan than to draw some ink beasts. She surveys the battle calmly and won't be overwhelmed by some hissing snakes.

Shikamru was dodging Temari's jutsu throughout the battle in the first part, and he knows pretty well how to farm a stretegy to counter them, also note that now he can use chakra kunai to do his Shadow jutsu and Temari with her fan makes a large shadow, + the guy is on a whole other lvl of intelligence then her.

He only dodged a base kamaitcahi no jutsu once and started hiding behind a tree. Current Temari's attack was too fast and wide for Sasuke, Raikage and CS2 Tayuya to dodge. He doesn't have the speed to dodge this:

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A chakra kunai is easily blown away try again.
Finally the main weakness Temari has is that she uses her Fan to do every ninjutsu, ones the fan is out of her hands she is nothing but a fodder, and every ninja i mentioned above are capable of doing this, she does not has physical strength to hold her fan against a solid attack directed towards her wrists.
You must be trolling now lol. If that is the case than Shikamaru, naruto, Lee do not have the physical strength to avoid getting impaled by the fan. Now tell me, do you believe Sasuke, base Naruto, Itachi and Kakashi have physical strength or not. Temari's physical strength, believe it or not, is on par with those four I just listed. Reread my thread and bring some better points. Also if Temari's fan gets destroyed or loses it, she can summon another one through a scroll.

Read the bold it has all the counters.

wow don't you think typing and copying and pasting all this isn't a waste of time...even a little bit?

But I didn't copy and paste this. All of this is my own words. What I copy and pasted is in italics.

 

[raju22]

Boy now you are getting serious arent you, well then.

Where it has been stated that raikage (3rd one) has more speed then Lee without his weights, the way i see it not only Temari but also every fodder on the fieald was able to see him so no he is not faster then lee in speed because he was able to beast sasuke who was using 2 tomoe sharingan to read his movement and he had his legweights on, so no way in hell Temari with normal eyes can keep track of Lee period.

Lee does not need to do a full lotus (as you said) he only need to do the first part go right below her and deliver a kick straight on her hand, she will not be able to hold her fan against a powerful attack like that, if you are wondering about the kick she blocked in first part then let me make it clear that it was Lee in a excitement and was not serious about killing her and he did not deliver his powerful kick.

Long range does not matter for Lee since he can close any distance in a split second but Temari on the other hand can not do a pin point attack on Lee moving on that speed.


Belive it or not Sai has the power to overwhelm Temari with his scrolls, she can fight with multiple creaturs in one direction but lots of them coming from everywhere is a different story.

Shikamaru does not need speed to dodge he only need a cover to protect himself until he forms a new strategy to deal with her, this match can go either way depending on the situation and the battlfield.


Now saying That Temari has physical strength equal to above mentioned charecter is plain BS, Shikamaru and sai may have not shown any strength feats but Lee and Naruto clearly knock her out in a single hit, and Temari has not shown a single strength feat (physical).


Also Temari summoning another fan is unlikely i think she has only one fan which she can summon through scroll, but i don't see that happening against current opponents.

 

[Airjustu]

Read the bold it has all the counters.


But I didn't copy and paste this. All of this is my own words. What I copy and pasted is in italics.

my question still stands

 

[Icelerate]

Boy now you are getting serious arent you, well then.

Where it has been stated that raikage (3rd one) has more speed then Lee without his weights, the way i see it not only Temari but also every fodder on the fieald was able to see him so no he is not faster then lee in speed because he was able to beast sasuke who was using 2 tomoe sharingan to read his movement and he had his legweights on, so no way in hell Temari with normal eyes can keep track of Lee period.

If you think that base Lee has better speed than Raikage than whatever.. Your avatar is clogging your sense sorry about that but it is true.

Lee does not need to do a full lotus (as you said) he only need to do the first part go right below her and deliver a kick straight on her hand, she will not be able to hold her fan against a powerful attack like that, if you are wondering about the kick she blocked in first part then let me make it clear that it was Lee in a excitement and was not serious about killing her and he did not deliver his powerful kick.
Temari blocked a weighted Lee's kick something pre exam Sasuke could not. Her reaction skills at that point were better than Sasuke's. Lee wasn't in excitement, he was very angry and wanted vengeance. Also, Temari just came out of a battle and did not expect Lee to attack her. This also shows that she is able to react during uncertain random events.

Long range does not matter for Lee since he can close any distance in a split second but Temari on the other hand can not do a pin point attack on Lee moving on that speed.

No he can not, kiri kiri mae and he is dead.

Believe it or not Sai has the power to overwhelm Temari with his scrolls, she can fight with multiple creaturs in one direction but lots of them coming from everywhere is a different story.

Believe it or not but Temari has the power to overwhelm Sai with her wind. Sai can fight Temari at equal terms but can he keep it up forever is a different story.

Shikamaru does not need speed to dodge he only need a cover to protect himself until he forms a new strategy to deal with her, this match can go either way depending on the situation and the battlfield.

You are starting to run out of ideas eh. He can't use cover because she can destroy any and all cover. Agreed with the point in bold.

Now saying That Temari has physical strength eqal to above mentioned charecter is plain BS, Shikamaru and sai may have not shown any strength feats but Lee and Naruto clearly knock her out in a single hit, and Temari has not shown a single strength feat (physical).

Data book>>>your opinion. My thread backed up by valid manga scans, the OP backed by manga scans and databook quotes is also>>>your opinion. Also doesn't waving a giant metal fan waying possibly over 40 pounds not seem like a strength feat. Isn't blocking a powerful kick from Lee who is also weighted adding even more weight to the kick not a strength feat??? If you are claiming she doesn't have strength feats than I am done.

Also Temari summoning another fan is unlikely i think she has only one fan which she can summon through scroll, but i don't see that happening against current opponents.
Okay but give me a page where she lost her fan in the midst of a battle.

It seems like you are running out of ideas. You haven't really brought much to the table and I was expecting a more challenging argument.

 

[raju22]

It seems like you are running out of ideas. You haven't really brought much to the table and I was expecting a more challenging argument.

I dont wanted to post very serious arguments here since she is no competition at all, but since you have gone far by calling me a fanboy(which i am not), i will show you some manga facts.

This is the kick which lee deliverd against Temari which is a over the head kick that anyone with a strong metal rod can block.

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And this is the kick he deliverd against Sasuke,Gaara and Dosu Kinuta, Note the power difference and speed difference between boath kicks.

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Lee never attacked Temari with this much power and speed, so do not compare that low lvl kick with these attacks.

Lee crushes boulder with his fists and legs, are you saying Temari has equal Physical strength as him, Show me where it was said that she has Such physical strength, also Lee carries 100s of pound weight permanently are you saying that Temari will be able to survive a direct hit from him.

And about raikage,let me make this clear that he is not fast then A because a was also able to speed blitz Sasuke and apeard right behind him, a feat that Raikage(3) has failed to show, also not only Temari but every fodder was keeping up with Raikage on the battlefield, that means two things,
1-he is not fast enough.
2- he was not moving that fast in that fight, he only dodged Narutos rasenshuriken which any Ninja with a good speed can dodge and he was not able to do so when Naruto hit him in close range.

Temari wont be able to hit Lee, Her fan wielding speed<<Lee without his weights.


I am not running out of ideas, it was plain and simple between him and Temari that Shikamaru can beat her if he finds a cover to avoid her jutsu for a little time, but if he is fighting in a plain field then he stands no chance, plain and simple.

She never lost her fan, but she is nothing but a fodder without it and Lee and Naruto both are fully capable of making her drop her fan, sai on the other hand will have some struggle but if any of his drawing gets near her it will do the job.

 

[Icelerate]

I'll give you a proper reply tomorrow and I do think Lee will put up a good fight. Still current Temari is a formidable jounin so if Lee does win, he can only win if he starts close to her and with difficulty.

I'm glad me and you are somewhat in agreement on the other fights but at long range the victor should be clear.

 

[raju22]

I'll give you a proper reply tomorrow and I do think Lee will put up a good fight. Still current Temari is a formidable jounin so if Lee does win, he can only win if he starts close to her and with difficulty.

I'm glad me and you are somewhat in agreement on the other fights but at long range the victor should be clear.

Thank you it is actually 10 am in my country (i have not slept all night) so i am getting a little stingy and sloppy, so sorry if i seemd like little rude in last reply:hug:

Also how can you rep me more then one?, when i tried to rep you for this thread it says i have to spread more.

I am going to sleep all day and then i will do some research on Temari too,(she is also my favorite character after all).

Good night(day lol).

 

[Icelerate]

I dont wanted to post very serious arguments here since she is no competition at all, but since you have gone far by calling me a fanboy(which i am not), i will show you some manga facts.
Okay so now she is a fodder wow just wow:sy::flaw:.
This is the kick which lee deliverd against Temari which is a over the head kick that anyone with a strong metal rod can block.
It still had lots of force and she commented on how pathetic the kick was.

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And this is the kick he deliverd against Sasuke,Gaara and Dosu Kinuta, Note the power difference and speed difference between boath kicks.
Okay but just because the kick is stronger doesn't mean she can't block a stronger kick now.

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Lee never attacked Temari with this much power and speed, so do not compare that low lvl kick with these attacks.
A kick is still a kick. She blocked a kick this is cannon.
Lee crushes boulder with his fists and legs, are you saying Temari has equal Physical strength as him, Show me where it was said that she has Such physical strength, also Lee carries 100s of pound weight permanently are you saying that Temari will be able to survive a direct hit from him.
If Lee lands a hit than she will be in bad shape and will lose the fight.
And about raikage,let me make this clear that he is not fast then A because a was also able to speed blitz Sasuke and apeard right behind him, a feat that Raikage(3) has failed to show, also not only Temari but every fodder was keeping up with Raikage on the battlefield, that means two things,
1-he is not fast enough.
2- he was not moving that fast in that fight, he only dodged Narutos rasenshuriken which any Ninja with a good speed can dodge and he was not able to do so when Naruto hit him in close range.
No a rasenshuriken can only be dodged by a few people. Even Lee will get owned by that attack. His speed is worse than the 3rd Raikage even though the 3rd Raikage's speed is overrated.
Temari wont be able to hit Lee, Her fan wielding speed<<Lee without his weights.
Her wind can travel faster than sound. The speed of sound>>>>Lee. It also has a huge radius can't you understand.

I am not running out of ideas, it was plain and simple between him and Temari that Shikamaru can beat her if he finds a cover to avoid her jutsu for a little time, but if he is fighting in a plain field then he stands no chance, plain and simple.
Okay so now Shikamaru just hides somewhere even though Temari doesn't even need to see him to defeat him. Also if Shikamaru can outsmart Temari despite not being as powerful as her, then Temari outsmarts Lee even easier.
She never lost her fan, but she is nothing but a fodder without it and Lee and Naruto both are fully capable of making her drop her fan, sai on the other hand will have some struggle but if any of his drawing gets near her it will do the job.
Similarly Lee is nothing but fodder if his legs get sliced. Also at least you agree that Sai will have trouble. I think Temari can still win because her reaction speed is actually very good and can use a wide range okamaitachi no jutsu (an A rank jutsu) to defend herself and attack at the same time.

Good luck trying to come with a counter to kiri kiri mae, wind cast net or even okamaitachi no jutsu.