Common Misconception: Sasuke's Enton and Susano

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I have seen a multitude of people claim that non-Rikudo Sasuke cannot use his ninjutsu through his Susano, claiming he hasn't shown it thus he cannot do it. However, how true is this? (lots of VIZ scans)

To understand this, one must first clear all misconceptions of Sasuke's Enton and Kagutsuchi that are apparent on the Base. For one, Sasuke cannot manipulate his Enton after it has lost contact with his chakra or body (must be within a very close proximity). This is indicated by his Enton always being in contact with either his or his own chakra [ ]. Secondly, one must understand that Enton is a manifestation of the Flames themselves through his own body or chakra, not through his eyes, whereas Amateratsu is a spawn of flames to a given destination [ ] utilising the Enton itself similarly to how a Sution: Suidanha utilises Suiton as its chakra nature. They can be used separately or collaboratively, hence one uses the Tenketsu around the Doryoku itself to spawn flames, whereas the other uses the Tenketsu of the wielder's body or chakra. Thus, Enton can very much be likened with Futon, Katon, Raiton, etc. as it is the chakra nature of Amateratsu itself, whereas Amateratsu is Enton's nature transformation.

The last variable factor of the Enton manipulation is Kagutsuchi, Enton's Keitai Henka, or its shape transformation [ ]. One thing to note is that every time Sasuke employs Kagutsuchi to manipulate flames, he doesn't require Amateratsu to ignite the flames initially. Amateratsu itself burns a target [ ] until it to exist, whereas Sasuke has exhibited usage of Enton without being affected here [ ]. When he used Amateratsu to generate flames preceding the Kagutsuchi of the flame, he didn't allow it to touch his own hand [ ]. Furthermore, one should note that whenever Sasuke utilises his Enton or Amateratsu, he must look at the target of the Enton itself [ ][ ][ ][ ]. However, this once again contradicts how Sasuke was able to manipulate his Enton with Kagutsuchi to cover the , when he wasn't even looking.

Hence, he didn't use Kagutsuchi, he manipulated the Tenktesu which have been confirmed to be present on Susano in the last chapter [ ], thus confirming that he has possessed it since MS-EMS [ ][ ][ ]. You cannot possibly Amateratsu something you are not looking at, as it only follows what the eye is gazing at. This would only go to verify that Sasuke can in fact utilise his Tenketsu proficiently since his MS stages, as his Susano, which is a manifestation of his own chakra, has had viable Tenktetsu since the very beginning, and has demonstrated its usage with them with a chakra nature separate of Enton in the previous chapter. All in all, it is pure fallacy to claim Sasuke cannot make use of the rest of his jutsu through the Susano itself, as he has utilised the Tenketsu around the Susano since MS.

One can exemplify his own Enton with Obito and Shisui. How? Both of their right eyes were abilities which rooted from the body rather than the eye. Shisui could use his right eye's genjutsu without making eye contact [ ] hence comparable to an advanced finger genjutsu, whereas Obito's right MS's ability allowed him to use his Kamui with his body as the source, contrasting his left eye's ability to spawn Kamui. Thus, Obito, Uchiha and Sasuke's right eyes employed lesser offensive capabilities made-up for by greater defensive capabilities that stemmed from the body, whereas Obito and Sasuke's left eyes allowed them to achieve an supreme offence but a lack of defence (to an extent).
 
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EMS sasky has not shown a PS without nardo chakra, and if he did, it would be alot weaker than his current one
 

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EMS sasky has not shown a PS without nardo chakra, and if he did, it would be alot weaker than his current one

Irrelevant to the thread as it was never mentioned. Nice try though.
 

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U do all the work to create the links, but could u please add some spaces in this wall of text
 

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EMS sasky has not shown a PS without nardo chakra, and if he did, it would be alot weaker than his current one

Where is Sasuke using Naruto's chakra :|
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I understood very little but I think I can grasp the concept u ate trying to explain
 

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Where is Sasuke using Naruto's chakra :|
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Don't go off topic, ignore him and stop getting rustled so easily..
 

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I don't understand what you're saying here.
Secondly, one must understand that Enton is a manifestation of the Flames themselves through his own body or chakra, not through his eyes, whereas Amateratsu is a spawn of flames to a given destination [x] utilising the Enton itself similarly to how a Sution: Suidanha utilises Suiton as its chakra nature.

I am pretty sure that all of the black flames is Enton itself. It's just delivered differently through Kagutsuchi or Amataerasu. But yes, Enton manipulation doesn't actually require the eyes to use. That's why it's variants have "Inferno" preceding the name. Otherwise, it would have been "Amaterasu: Kagutsuchi" and so forth.
 

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Don't go off topic, ignore him and stop getting rustled so easily..

Nah i was just reading 647 few mins ago thats why i posted the scans or otherwise i would have ignored him :|
OT: Great thread
 

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Nice thread. I can agree with most of it 10/10 thread.
 

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I don't understand what you're saying here.


I am pretty sure that all of the black flames is Enton itself. It's just delivered differently through Kagutsuchi or Amataerasu. But yes, Enton manipulation doesn't actually require the eyes to use. That's why it's variants have "Inferno" preceding the name. Otherwise, it would have been "Amaterasu: Kagutsuchi" and so forth.

Yes, that is correct. The context 'manifestation' is describing its expulsion through his own Susano's tenketsu similar to how Chidori Nagashi is expelled from his own body. But Enton is simply the flame present like Futon is the wind present, as you said.
 

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I agree with what you are saying, this is a classic case of "feats or gtfo" even though you don't need feats to come to this conclusion.

Edit: Talking about using Chidori through Susano'o prior to Rikudo's showing.
 
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EMS sasky has not shown a PS without nardo chakra, and if he did, it would be alot weaker than his current one

PS is made of special charka produced from the brain. nardo chakra wouldn't have any impact on PS. So nice try! XD
 

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I agree with what you are saying, this is a classic case of "feats or gtfo" even though you don't need feats to come to this conclusion.

Yea, but it's a little more than that man. If Sasuke can expel Enton from his Susaono's Tenketsu, and he has Chidori Nagashi already which expels Raiton from his own body's Tenketsu, why wouldn't he be able to use Chidori Nagashi through his Susano variants? Makes no sense whatsoever. It's like saying if Naruto used YRS before he ever used FRS, but FRS was his affinity, Naruto cannot use FRS despite having already used a RS variation since he didn't show adding the wind nature. Complete fallacy.
 

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Thread details unclear. Nardo still solo.
 

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Details are very clear, just like they were when you got defeated in a 3v5 in doto.

Listen here, you little shit.

That game was bullshit and you know it.
 

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Great thread.

Enton can be used from his body similar to the manipulation of other elements like raiton (chidori variants). This suggests that blind Sasuke can use enton just like he would be able to use Susano. It doesn't require eyes.
 
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