Common Misconception. Kamui can get past Yata Mirror

[Dantе]

What's your point?

The s/t justu is the user

He leaves by "phasing," sending body parts one at a time until it all enters into his dimension.

He opens (warps) into the current world by sending one part in before the other into the future.

Picture it like a flip book

If you're talking about "phasing" subset of Kamui, then it's perfectly blocked by Yata no doubt.
The real argument is about the full Kamui or long range Kamui.

Based on what? The manga states that he's not there when he's "intangible" The manga shows that he isn't there when he actually teleports into the dimension. There is nothing that implies he's still there. "Physics" isn't an argument. "Physics" is irrelevant. How does he have an entity in the real world when such a thing was never hinted at? When there is nothing of the sort shown?



I've been saying this whole time that he's not literally intangible. He's simply in another dimension. I'm not even talking about intangibility here. I'm talking about him actually teleporting into the other dimension.

No there isn't, you are simply over-complicating things.



Except its not vanishing. Its basically just going elsewhere. So the law of conservation of mass isn't an argument here either.



And you are supporting the notion that a shield magically entering another dimension.

Shield is not entering the dimension bro. Shield is just stopping the entity left by Obito in the real world to come back to it to the same point of time where he left.
That's what I'm telling you here.

 

[KidGamer65]

According to Kishi it can=D

Neg worthy, Sig worthy and Flame worthy shit right here.

Shield is not entering the dimension bro. Shield is just stopping the entity left by Obito in the real world to come back to it to the same point of time where he left.
That's what I'm telling you here.

And I'm trying to tell you that there is no entity left behind by Obito. That's just your assumption with no manga evidence backing it up.

 

[Lightbringer]

What does a shield do to something that has already gotton past it? It stops things from coming in not forces them out.

Ok good question. Let's do a hypothetical scenario then.

The shield is said to block the power of Gods.

The shield lets air in for Itachi to breath

God transforms into oxygen


Can Yata Mirror block him?

 

[Mellow]

So you're telling me a shield can block "God". Just let that sink in

Yata neutralizes everything it comes in contact with

 

[mohdzarif]

The Space of Universe is the actual time that we call. That's how Parallel Universe works IMO. You open a warp to travel through dimensions and if you close that warp and have no way back other than to open another warp, you will surely end up either in past of future of the real world.

That's how Physics is

Thanks

You are rambling from even the first sentence. You mentioned space and you call it time.

Acting like you really know what you talk yet you don't even mention how it actually works.

To make it worse, you assume that Kishi actually gives shit about laws of Science when it had been violated hundreds of times since Part 1. One of the obvious example is Chibaku Tensei core.

Just focus on what the manga provided. Remember that Minato was surprised that Obito can chase him to wherever Minato went with Hiraishin so fast, even if it was far away from the village. There was no sort of time travel there. All happened in real time.

 

[Trúth]

Ok good question. Let's do a hypothetical scenario then.

The shield is said to block the power of Gods.

The shield lets air in for Itachi to breath

God transforms into oxygen


Can Yata Mirror block him?

The shield can simply change form into breathable air and block God. But i'll agree Kishi didn't exactly think that through as thoroughly as you have.

 

[Dantе]

This is not about parallel universe that have your past self/future self.

This is only a dimension that exist parallel with the actual/physical world. Or I'm said pocket dimension. In our real world have many/layer of plaint of existent but it separated and place in entirely different dimension.

What Obito just did is going/warp inside this pocket dimension that separated from physical world dimension. Our physical world also is in some dimension that become a place for existent to exist/create.

Its actually a supernatural phenomena that even science is hard to explain it.

Its not a universe but just a dimension.
Thanks.

That implies that the "pocket dimension" you are talking about is just a subset to the real world?
Then that makes it more simple for Yata to block it Lol
Thanks.

Not really no. You have no argument.

I should have mentioned this in the previous comment. You said if one going into a different dimension and coming back, you're bound to arrive in the past.

Physics decree that one can't go into the past no matter what.

Also Kishi is not a scientist. You can't apply physics to fiction.

Then why are you applying Physics that Amaterasu is as hot as sun and can't melt rock?

 

[Waltz]

Yata claims to be able to negate all attacks and Kamui claims that it cannot be defended against. Since the hypes are contradictory, I'll use the actual workings of each Jutsu to decide hypothetically which is the greater of the two.

Kakashi warps the space and time around Yata and Itachi disappears----What has been displayed is that Yata functions as a shield and repels attacks trying to breech it's defenses. Kamui however, functions identically to a hypothetical wormhole meaning that it distorts space and time around the target and draws everything into a singularity which happens to be a tunnel to a next dimension; in reference to the NV.

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Obito walks through Yata for the simple reason that the shield seems to function and alter it's size automatically to accommodate the incoming attack. Obito used Kamui on himself in order plunge his body into another dimension; therefore the attack in this case was self inflicted; it thus means the Shield has nothing to defend itself against since it is not being attacked.
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[TrollingSage]

So why didnt Itachi use his yata mirror to block Kabuto's white rage or Nagato's chibaku tensei then?

 

[mohdzarif]

What would you classify kamui as then? That exactly what i was trying to explain to Kotori. Kamui is a space justu and they translated it as astral.

Where is it stated that Kamui is astral?

 

[BenjerminGaye]

What's stopping obito from teleporting directly to itachi? I'll wait.

 

[Lightbringer]

The shield can simply change form into breathable air and block God. But i'll agree Kishi didn't exactly think that through as thoroughly as you have.

At least you've agreed Kishi didn't think that out.

By that way, that was a stupid response about the shield turning into oxygen. First of all that would mean the shield is able to generate something out of nothing, and it can't block something at the same time as it is in the form of oxygen.

 

[Dantе]

Neg worthy, Sig worthy and Flame worthy shit right here.



And I'm trying to tell you that there is no entity left behind by Obito. That's just your assumption with no manga evidence backing it up.

You don't have mangafact that Obito completely teleports himself into the other dimension. And the entity I am talking about is not visible. It's invisible kind of thing that can't be explain with current information on Kamui

 

[Trúth]

Where is it stated that Kamui is astral?

What i'm trying to say is that Astral is never mentioned in the manga. Yet space/time jutsu's are. The data book mistranslated.

 

[Trúth]

At least you've agreed Kishi didn't think that out.

By that way, that was a stupid response about the shield turning into oxygen. First of all that would mean the shield is able to generate something out of nothing, and it can't block something at the same time as it is in the form of oxygen.

It was a dumb thing to add to the shield's abilities, I had no counter Lol did my best with the oxygen thing.

 

[Trúth]

What's stopping obito from teleporting directly to itachi? I'll wait.

we're still debating that.

 

[mohdzarif]

What i'm trying to say is that Astral is never mentioned in the manga. Yet space/time jutsu's are. The data book mistranslated.

I believe the Databook translation isn't wrong. It probably refers to supernatural attacks like for example Dan's ghost jutsu and probably Limbo.

 

[Trúth]

Yata claims to be able to negate all attacks and Kamui claims that it cannot be defended against. Since the hypes are contradictory, I'll use the actual workings of each Jutsu to decide hypothetically which is the greater of the two.

Kakashi warps the space and time around Yata and Itachi disappears----What has been displayed is that Yata functions as a shield and repels attacks trying to breech it's defenses. Kamui however, functions identically to a hypothetical wormhole meaning that it distorts space and time around the target and draws everything into a singularity which happens to be a tunnel to a next dimension; in reference to the NV.

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Obito walks through Yata for the simple reason that the shield seems to function and alter it's size automatically to accommodate the incoming attack. Obito used Kamui on himself in order plunge his body into another dimension; therefore the attack in this case was self inflicted; it thus means the Shield has nothing to defend itself against since it is not being attacked.
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The first half I hadn't considered. It makes sense the 2nd half i didn't understand.

 

[Trúth]

Yata claims to be able to negate all attacks and Kamui claims that it cannot be defended against. Since the hypes are contradictory, I'll use the actual workings of each Jutsu to decide hypothetically which is the greater of the two.

Kakashi warps the space and time around Yata and Itachi disappears----What has been displayed is that Yata functions as a shield and repels attacks trying to breech it's defenses. Kamui however, functions identically to a hypothetical wormhole meaning that it distorts space and time around the target and draws everything into a singularity which happens to be a tunnel to a next dimension; in reference to the NV.

​

Obito walks through Yata for the simple reason that the shield seems to function and alter it's size automatically to accommodate the incoming attack. Obito used Kamui on himself in order plunge his body into another dimension; therefore the attack in this case was self inflicted; it thus means the Shield has nothing to defend itself against since it is not being attacked.
​

The first half I hadn't considered. It makes sense the 2nd half i didn't understand.

 

[Trúth]

So why didnt Itachi use his yata mirror to block Kabuto's white rage or Nagato's chibaku tensei then?

Do I look like Kishimoto?