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[Badapdos]

don't forget everything after the crow came out of naruto's mouth was itachi under KA genjutsu..
Itachi was still able to move and act freely and speak freely and he still showed emotion and regret.
he wasn't a mindless zombie, he received the command protect konoha.
which is what he wanted to do all along. but who could really come to grips with killing their own parents.?
he calls himself the leaf's itachi uchia while being under KA still...so he is programmed to protect konoha.

in that panel, he even talks about the inconsistencies of the leaf(which isn't protecting konoha at all)
he engages in verbal conversation with Sasuke after the fight with kabuto, during and before.
it was a simple command, protect konoha the same thing shisui told him before the massacre
when he left him his eye.

now the decade rule.... it would only be 2 years early if shisui used that KA on itachi back then
for it to work on itachi from that crow at this point in time...

but , that crow was inside of naruto(the 9 tails jinchuriki)
do you see where im going with this???

Kinda, but if you see as Itachi said & Tobi Said that KA was the strongest Genjutsu so how would Kabuto put him under control if, He (What your saying) Is Already under KA.

He already said that he used Shisuis KA To break out of Edo.

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& Originally Shisui KA Was meant for Sasuke.
Through all that, He can't Possibly use KA on Itachi.

 

[foxyladyland]

Hey foxyladyland yo know its kinda imposible to make conclusions, because we dont know how KA works. He might use it on Itachi he might change him a bit but Itachi was still him, he loves Sasuke more than anything else.

well we've seen it used twice and explained by AO and Itachi

If he was programmed to protect Village i ask the same why he choose to die agains Sasuke when akatsuki was collecting tailed beast, and it would destroy leaf... And they did.

And Sasuke told i will destroy leaf, what Itachi did ? he just told him "Anyway i love you" He knew it from beggining that he want to destroy leaf, he didt try stop him. Just change his mind.

those I will always love you words were after KA was cast on itachi remember
he was still able to behave and act like a normal guy having conversation..
the command wasn't "don't talk to anybody" it was "protect konoha"

ShiSui is dead, therefore he is unable to use it...

Even if ShiSui was alive he wouldn't be able to perform it on Itachi, because Itachi is dead...

itachi programmed the KA crow to PROTECT KONOHA, shisui wasn't around..
after you receive an eye, it still has the powers it had when it was given to to, even if the original user died.

& Also how would Itachi use Shisuis Eye to break out of Edo, (Don't take it offense, sorry if it sounds that way) if it would close for a decade.
But like Tobi said once you use KA ( I think that's Izanagi)
The eye that has used it will Close & if you use it, it will become useless for a decade if you don't have Senju Cells.

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Danzo used it maybe twice in what? a week or something?? or a month ??
however long it took to get to the Summit after he was named Hokage..
I believe Danzo may have used it here to become hokage

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and at the summit to mifune is well known already..because he has the senju cells..
but he also has them fused with shisui's dna in his right arm and shoulder. according to AO.

 

[DeDoll]

well we've seen it used twice and explained by AO and Itachi

those I will always love you words were after KA was cast on itachi remember
he was still able to behave and act like a normal guy having conversation..
the command wasn't "don't talk to anybody" it was "protect konoha"

itachi programmed the KA crow to PROTECT KONOHA, shisui wasn't around..
after you receive an eye, it still has the powers it had when it was given to to, even if the original user died.


Danzo used it maybe twice in what? a week or something?? or a month ??
however long it took to get to the Summit after he was named Hokage..
I believe Danzo may have used it here to become hokage

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and at the summit to mifune is well known already..because he has the senju cells..
but he also has them fused with shisui's dna in his right arm and shoulder. according to AO.

Hey lisen what i am saying. Itachi saw threat from Sasuke. His command was protect leaf so why he didt try protect it. He protect Sasuke not leaf.

I explain Sasuke want destroy leaf, he said it, Itachi w/e i dont care coz i love you more than leaf.
I dont see how he can be under control if he prefere Sasuke more than leaf


Unless Shisui told him protect leaf and Sasuke, but thats make 0 sense

 

[foxyladyland]

Kinda, but if you see as Itachi said & Tobi Said that KA was the strongest Genjutsu so how would Kabuto put him under control if, He (What your saying) Is Already under KA.

He already said that he used Shisuis KA To break out of Edo.

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& Originally Shisui KA Was meant for Sasuke.
Through all that, He can't Possibly use KA on Itachi.

Kabuto would put him under EDO TENSEI control because Kabuto is the one who summoned him(itachi).
also, Itachi was DEAD not alive anymore.

KA was programmed by Itachi to be used on his own eyes(itachi's eyes) not Sasuke's eyes.
he figured Sasuke would implant Itachi's own eyes for more power(I suppose)
whenever the crow (or naruto) came into contact with Itachi's eyes, it was programmed to activate..

TEN YEARS RULE:
its true that you prob need Senju DNA to activate it more than 10 years.
so don't forget, Senju and Uzumaki are relatives..Uzumaki also have strong life forces.
and Naruto Is an Uzumaki. Not to mention Naruto has the 9tails fox Kurama's chakra inside him..

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with the crow. the crow and KA was given chakra from Kurama + naruto's Uzumaki lineage
and that is how it was able to be used again within ten years.

 

[foxyladyland]

Hey lisen what i am saying. Itachi saw threat from Sasuke. His command was protect leaf so why he didt try protect it. He protect Sasuke not leaf.

I explain Sasuke want destroy leaf, he said it, Itachi w/e i dont care coz i love you more than leaf. I dont see how he can be under control if he prefere Sasuke more than leave

itachi's words and love for his brother have gotten to him.....

we all know itachi was placed under KA genjutsu to break out of Edo control
so he has been under it since that crow came out of naruto's mouth.

itachi programmed the command "protect konoha"
for his own eyes if sasuke transplanted them.

the command itself is protect konoha so that's what itachi was doing.

protecting konoha from nagato and kabuto...

the major point of that order is that it doesn't tell how to "protect konoha"
it just says protect konoha , not kill everybody in your path... simply protect the leaf.

sasuke was helping itachi in that battle against kabuto
itachi didn't kill kabuto either, nor did he tell sasuke to kill kabuto after he left again.

So the command is to protect....then the target if cast under KA
will take the best actions in their mind and heart to follow through with the command.

 

[pateuvasiliu]

so you're the one to challenge me huh?? okay kiddo I wont go easy on you,
well maybe a littleLol


okay he definitely did use the genjutsu on itachi

He didn't use it.

KA requires 10 years of cooldown. When Itachi helped Shisui die Shisui only had 1 eye.

If he had used KA on Itachi Itachi's crow wouldn't have been able to use KA.

There. I destroyed your theory in 4 lines.

 

[wutangforever]

yes!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[DeDoll]

itachi's words and love for his brother have gotten to him.....

we all know itachi was placed under KA genjutsu to break out of Edo control
so he has been under it since that crow came out of naruto's mouth.

itachi programmed the command "protect konoha"
for his own eyes if sasuke transplanted them.

the command itself is protect konoha so that's what itachi was doing.

protecting konoha from nagato and kabuto...

the major point of that order is that it doesn't tell how to "protect konoha"
it just says protect konoha , not kill everybody in your path... simply protect the leaf.

sasuke was helping itachi in that battle against kabuto
itachi didn't kill kabuto either, nor did he tell sasuke to kill kabuto after he left again.

So the command is to protect....then the target if cast under KA
will take the best actions in their mind and heart to follow through with the command.

But crow was under itachi control not Shisui. He seal part of him to that crow. So what i am saying he cast genjutsu on him self to be himself.

You see. Itachi was like this before Shisui die. Village was more important then clan for him, I dont see even small change about him after he got shisui eye. He had same thinking as Hokage from when he was 8 years old.

 

[Badapdos]

But what I'm trying to say is only Danzo, Can actually use it because he has Senju cells.

Even right here he Planned to protect the village.

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He wasn't, In a Genjutsu, he just loves the leaf village& Knows there reasonings.
Even Hashirama understand how greatly, Itachi would go To protect the village.

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& In the first image Hiruzen, Even said at age "7", which is before Shisui awakened MS.

But Involving the Senju DNA.
unless the user had a way to augment the process such as with Hashirama Senju's cells, thereby drastically reducing the time required from ten years to only a few hours.

Only with Senjus DNA.
So judging by that That's why Shisui Was defeated by Danzo.

 

[foxyladyland]

He didn't use it.

KA requires 10 years of cooldown. When Itachi helped Shisui die Shisui only had 1 eye.

If he had used KA on Itachi Itachi's crow wouldn't have been able to use KA.

There. I destroyed your theory in 4 lines.

HA yeah right & as if

I already thought of that and answered it

If Itachi was placed under shisui before the massacre then he didn't know it
nor would he have when it was cast.

itachi indeed had the reasoning of hokage when he was 7 or 8 but that doesn't mean he
was prepared to kill any family members... he knew the right thing to do when the time came
but that doesn't mean he would have done it... people have doubts and worry...itachi did as well.

also 10 rule,

since itachi didn't know it was cast on him back then,
after the crow cast is on him it came from naruto's body.
naruto has 9tails fox chakra inside of him.
the crow was inside of him with the 9tails chakra
which can be used like senju dna and better..
as we witnessed with our own eyes in the manga with naruto
handing out chakra to his friends during the war.

 

[Ninja Hidden in the Leafs]

yes it can now look at what shisui says " please protect the village and Uchiha's name"
that could have been an order. from shisui to itachi (but it also could have been a request)

But he said it after he plucked out his eye.... I think Shisui had his mangekyo out is so it would stay in that state just like madara took out his brother's eyes in order to gain the eternal mangekyo sharingan. This way Itachi could use his eye so he could "protect the leaf" if you will. Plus your theory of him tricking Itachi into a genjutsu isn't really proven that well. Not saying it's not possible; however, I have already given you reasons of why and how your theory could not work.

 

[foxyladyland]

But crow was under itachi control not Shisui. He seal part of him to that crow. So what i am saying he cast genjutsu on him self to be himself.

you misunderstand me , im not suggesting shisui used it on itachi during the war arc
im saying he used it before the massacre with the same eye.

itachi didn't know that, so he thought it was still able to use when he programmed it for sasuke.

ex: itachi implanted amateratsu in sasuke to activate when he saw Tobi's sharingan.
that was before sasuke ever used amateratsu.

itachi programmed KA for sasuke when it saw his eyes(itachi's)
the KA regained ability to use it in less than a decade because of kurama chakra inside naruto.
when It was recharged and came into contact with itachi's eyes, it activated

 

[Badapdos]

Kabuto would put him under EDO TENSEI control because Kabuto is the one who summoned him(itachi).
also, Itachi was DEAD not alive anymore.

KA was programmed by Itachi to be used on his own eyes(itachi's eyes) not Sasuke's eyes.
he figured Sasuke would implant Itachi's own eyes for more power(I suppose)
whenever the crow (or naruto) came into contact with Itachi's eyes, it was programmed to activate..

TEN YEARS RULE:
its true that you prob need Senju DNA to activate it more than 10 years.
so don't forget, Senju and Uzumaki are relatives..Uzumaki also have strong life forces.
and Naruto Is an Uzumaki. Not to mention Naruto has the 9tails fox Kurama's chakra inside him..

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with the crow. the crow and KA was given chakra from Kurama + naruto's Uzumaki lineage
and that is how it was able to be used again within ten years.

But, Itachi had The Crow for Sasuke, Not himself he didn't plan for Sasuke to destroy the leaf.
But if he did then, KA Would have been used on Sasuke to not destroy the Leaf village.

But if you say that Itachi was dead, & Wasn't under control Of his actions when he was alive.
Then why would he risk his life for his brother.
& why would he, Not only tell Sasuke the truth but nothing but the truth.
Because KA was already used so he resorted to the truth.

Sorry if it doesn't make since kind of tired.

 

[Uchiha Shikiruire]

It's possible, but when exactly ? I mean, before Shisui dissapeared he had one of his eyes taken by Danzo and he gave the other one to Itachi, so when did he possibly put Itachi on KA ? It could indeed be before but theres really nothing on that and I'm pretty sure that if the wielder of the KA loses his eyes so does the Genjutsu lose it's activity. Which means that Itachi (after Shisui left) wasn't on his (possible) Genjutsu anymore
please explain ;o

 

[foxyladyland]

But he said it after he plucked out his eye.... I think Shisui had his mangekyo out is so it would stay in that state just like madara took out his brother's eyes in order to gain the eternal mangekyo sharingan. This way Itachi could use his eye so he could "protect the leaf" if you will. Plus your theory of him tricking Itachi into a genjutsu isn't really proven that well. Not saying it's not possible; however, I have already given you reasons of why and how your theory could not work.

read my posts I've done a great job

you didn't read them..

but I never said this was about shisui casting KA on itachi to kill uchiha.

shisui could have simply cast genjutsu on itachi to alter his account on shisui's final moments.
shisui has never been shown to die or be dead..
there are many different translations on what happened to shisui. so it is unclear if or how he died.

 

[Ninja Hidden in the Leafs]

read my posts I've done a great job

you didn't read them..

but I never said this was about shisui casting KA on itachi to kill uchiha.

shisui could have simply cast genjutsu on itachi to alter his account on shisui's final moments.
shisui has never been shown to die or be dead..
there are many different translations on what happened to shisui. so it is unclear if or how he died.

... maybe you should reread my post again. I didn't say he casted KA on Itachi to kill the Uchiha. I said he gave Itachi his eye, mangekyo state, so that he could protect the leaf.

2. It was said he committed suicide. But who knows what really happened. Regardless of that, my post had nothing to do with how Shisui died. It was to show that he plucked out his eye and than said protect the leaf meaning that he didn't cast a genjutsu on him. Not only that, but you said in earlier posts (which I have read by the way ) that if KA is used the eye would close (on account of it not being in a human eye socket, it was reverted back to a three tomae or however you pronounce it, just like when KA was used on Itachi) so now I have given you more proof.

 

[foxyladyland]

It's possible, but when exactly ? I mean, before Shisui dissapeared he had one of his eyes taken by Danzo and he gave the other one to Itachi, so when did he possibly put Itachi on KA ? It could indeed be before but theres really nothing on that and I'm pretty sure that if the wielder of the KA loses his eyes so does the Genjutsu lose it's activity. Which means that Itachi (after Shisui left) wasn't on his (possible) Genjutsu anymore
please explain ;o

its not like izanagi, it doesn't make you go blind it just cant activate in less than a decade

But, Itachi had The Crow for Sasuke, Not himself he didn't plan for Sasuke to destroy the leaf.
But if he did then, KA Would have been used on Sasuke to not destroy the Leaf village.

it was supposed to be used for Sasuke if he implanted itachi's eyes...
but itachi still had his own eyes because he had them when he died and was edo'd afterwards..
sasuke and itachi both have itachi's eyes so KA was programmed to work on both of them.

But if you say that Itachi was dead, & Wasn't under control Of his actions when he was alive.
Then why would he risk his life for his brother.

he was doing things for the leaf and for sasuke to get stronger...
how do you protect things??? with strength... sasuke indeed got stronger and now can defend himself better..
itachi' death was for sasuke to return to the leaf and to die as a villain since those were his leaf orders
and to protect the uchiha name.

& why would he, Not only tell Sasuke the truth but nothing but the truth.
Because KA was already used so he resorted to the truth.

as an edo, itachi had to tell sasuke the truth because sasuke already knew about danzo's orders.
based off your own judgement , you are ordered to protect something...
you aren't told how, your just told to do it...
itachi did the best way he knew how.

 

[Badapdos]

& If he was under , KA He wouldn't show any emotions.
Towards protecting the Leaf village, But...
Towards Sasuke was a Different Story..

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& Also why would he show emotions towards the ones that want to destroy on of the things he loves to Protect..

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I'm going to pass out _@:

 

[foxyladyland]

... maybe you should reread my post again. I didn't say he casted KA on Itachi to kill the Uchiha. I said he gave Itachi his eye, mangekyo state, so that he could protect the leaf.

2. It was said he committed suicide. But who knows what really happened. Regardless of that, my post had nothing to do with how Shisui died. It was to show that he plucked out his eye and than said protect the leaf meaning that he didn't cast a genjutsu on him. Not only that, but you said in earlier posts (which I have read by the way ) that if KA is used the eye would close (on account of it not being in a human eye socket, it was reverted back to a three tomae or however you pronounce it, just like when KA was used on Itachi) so now I have given you more proof.

whether or not its in a human eyesocket doesn't have anything to do with KA being activated.
I didn't say those words.
shisui might have been able to use genjutsu with his fingers just as itachi did.
no proof
I never said the eye would close ,. those were quotes , I said they would not close like izanagi.
the KA just cant be used more than once within a decade... the eye still works..
the eye could have still been pointed at him. in the pic , he has his hand , but
just like with sasuke forgetting he awakened the sharingan at the massacre./
and like kakashi awakening MS while he killed rin,
it was though that they awakened them during his fight with haku
and kakashi during time skip and used it later on deidara.

 

[DeDoll]

read my posts I've done a great job

you didn't read them..

but I never said this was about shisui casting KA on itachi to kill uchiha.

shisui could have simply cast genjutsu on itachi to alter his account on shisui's final moments.
shisui has never been shown to die or be dead..
there are many different translations on what happened to shisui. so it is unclear if or how he died.

He was found dead by uchihas. You need to see it ?
About kurama this is just your guessing.
Itachi don't stop Sasuke Because you say he can choose what is best for his idea.
Itachi could destroy his family without KA, he is like Hokage, and hokage destroy his favorite student if here is need.

But anyway:
You see, its no point to argue with you. Itachi goal was to save village & Uchiha name, Shisui goal was the same. But anyway Itachi did't change a bit even if genjutsu was used on him.
How we could proove that this is false theory is by timming. But than you made other theory about ninetail chakra.
So what i am saying: This is nothing to think about. Nothing was changed even he use KA or he did't.