Combination Techniques

[Kurisutina]

(Katon: Fuuton Ken Katon Bakufuu no Jutsu) Fire Release: Wind and Fire Blast Technique
Rank: S
Type: Offense
Range: Long
Chakra cost: 40
Damage points: 80
Description: The user after combining Fire Release: Intense pain and Wind Release: Pressure Damage at the same time. This creates a blast that is so intense that a standard water technique (ex : Water Release: Water Encampment Wall) can only at most soften of the impact. It was successsfully stopped by Yamato and Naruto's Typhoon water vortex.

Does this technique require clones? It requires the manipulation of two seperate elements simultaneously as shown through the phrasing used in bold. In our standards of RP, we hold restrictions for multiple elements being used to Yin-Yang users and to do this by yourself would be using Yin-Yang abilities. Does this technique count as two jutsu? It requires the usage of two separate jutsu, which would make sense for it to count as two.

(Suiton: Gufuu Suika) - Water Style: Typhoon Water Vortex
Rank: A
Type: Attack/Defence
Range: Short-Mid
Chakra cost: 30
Damage Points: 60
Description:The user will create a ‘Wind Style: Rasengan’ in one hand, and ‘Water Style: Destruction Torrent’ in the other. By combining them, he will create a tornado of water that can be used to attack or defend. This jutsu can also be used to drown out wind and fire combos
Note: No water source required.

Does this jutsu require a clone? It requires the manipulation of two elemental natures, my friend Gin-San and I discussed this and came to a consensus that if one created the Wind Rasengan first (Self-Sustaining wind element) and then form the Destruction Torrent in their other hand, they could perform this jutsu although my belief is that if this was done, it would emphasize that this combination should be counted as two jutsu even more as they aren't formed at the same time. Which leads into my next question, does this jutsu count as two jutsu?

I made this thread to finally have an universal consensus about Combination techniques and has had me frustrated about this topic as I get multiple different opinions from different mods and sensei. It's frustrating to have these different opinions while not knowing what is truly correct. Can Sensei HQ and Moderators please decide on this? An additional aspect of these jutsu that I don't understand is that the jutsu are classified under a single element which can result in a misleading that the combinations have only the qualities of that element. In my opinion, these combinations should be moved into a section of their own to set them apart from other jutsu. This section can also provide the aspects of this jutsu such as if they require clones or count as two jutsu per usage.

 

[Tsukune]

I'm not quite sure, at times ive seen them used in a three move turn, and others just a two move turn :shrug: Though for realitys sake, it would to be two separate moves, as they were both shown being used by two different users.

 

[Korra.]

I got told its 1 jutsu its just that it requires 2 jutsus to make it into one

 

[Kurisutina]

I got told its 1 jutsu its just that it requires 2 jutsus to make it into one

I've been told otherwise and I have been told the same. That is what is so damn frustrating about this : /

 

[Korra.]

I've been told otherwise and I have been told the same. That is what is so damn frustrating about this : /

I know :/ to me I believe its 1 jutsu since its kinda take 2 things to make it 1 jutsu

 

[Kurisutina]

I know :/ to me I believe its 1 jutsu since its kinda take 2 things to make it 1 jutsu

It's not a jutsu once you combine them. It's a combination.

 

[-Yard-]

Wind and fire blast does not require clones. The reason why it is kept in our rp is because we do not have many S rank fire techniques.

 

[Kurisutina]

Wind and fire blast does not require clones. The reason why it is kept in our rp is because we do not have many S rank fire techniques.

I have hear this and otherwise. Why wouldn't it require clones? Can you breath out two different sources of fire and water simultaneously? No. You're going to argue that "Why not use the wind after the fire?" well, the jutsu clearly states they have to be performed at the same time. If you did this jutsu in that fashion, it wouldn't be considered this technique now would it? Understand why this is baffling me and has me frustrated? Also, how are you performing these two jutsu without hand seals simultaneously?

Also, as to your complaint concerning the number of Fire jutsu, there are currently 5+ and 3 of them can easily replace this jutsu as a powerful fire jutsu.

 

[Professor Sarutobi]

Some have said you should use clones to do it (SY does it that way in tests, clones who do each half) and i have seen a link of Mugi saying you can do it solo to fit the RP :shrug: i say both of the jutsu you are talking about are exceptions to the Yin/Yang rule because they are canon (you can't make customs based off them at least, someone has tried submitting a fire/wind version of the water/wind vortex but it gets declined)

 

[-Yard-]

I have hear this and otherwise. Why wouldn't it require clones? Can you breath out two different sources of fire and water simultaneously? No. You're going to argue that "Why not use the wind after the fire?" well, the jutsu clearly states they have to be performed at the same time. If you did this jutsu in that fashion, it wouldn't be considered this technique now would it? Understand why this is baffling me and has me frustrated? Also, how are you performing these two jutsu without hand seals simultaneously?

Also, as to your complaint concerning the number of Fire jutsu, there are currently 5+ and 3 of them can easily replace this jutsu as a powerful fire jutsu.

What I said is what I've been told from Zen. This thread has been made several times tho.

 

[Kurisutina]

What I said is what I've been told from Zen. This thread has been made several times tho.

And what I've stated is logic. I know but now that Q&S threads are actually being looked at by an RP mod and not left out to rot, this issue can finally be brought up and have a full universal consensus formed.

 

[-Yard-]

And what I've stated is logic. I know but now that Q&S threads are actually being looked at by an RP mod and not left out to rot, this issue can finally be brought up and have a full universal consensus formed.

Technically Intense pain and pressure damage are now B rank according to wiki (it was updated) so the technique is really supposed to be A rank. However despite all of the errors in the tech it was kept as an S rank technique from us having lack of S rank long range fire techniques. Yes it honestly would require clones as kakazu had to have two beings to create it with the combination. We all know that the technique it'self doesn't fit our RP unless we use clones, but to add to the rp with use of techniques it was kept and will probably stay that way unless we get another long range fire technique, as for now we have none so it is kept there.

 

[Kurisutina]

Technically Intense pain and pressure damage are now B rank according to wiki (it was updated) so the technique is really supposed to be A rank. However despite all of the errors in the tech it was kept as an S rank technique from us having lack of S rank long range fire techniques. Yes it honestly would require clones as kakazu had to have two beings to create it with the combination. We all know that the technique it'self doesn't fit our RP unless we use clones, but to add to the rp with use of techniques it was kept and will probably stay that way unless we get another long range fire technique, as for now we have none so it is kept there.

We have another long-range S-Rank fire jutsu so stop with your complaining. It's called Fire Release: Majestic Annihilation. It is under AACT. Please before you complain, check your sources.

 

[-Yard-]

We have another long-range S-Rank fire jutsu so stop with your complaining. It's called Fire Release: Majestic Annihilation. It is under AACT. Please before you complain, check your sources.

Woah bro, no need for the anger. This is a friendly environment.
As said on msn, it should be replaced with that technique. I don't check the AACT's nor did I know that we had fire AACT's yet.

 

[Typhon]

I think Xanthe needs to tone it down a bit.

Yard isn't stating his opinion, he's just telling you what he's been told by the mods, hence he's just answering the questions you asked.

But I do agree with you. Both techs should require clones or multiple people to use.

 

[Kurisutina]

I think Xanthe needs to tone it down a bit.

Yard isn't stating his opinion, he's just telling you what he's been told by the mods, hence he's just answering the questions you asked.

But I do agree with you. Both techs should require clones or multiple people to use.

Sorry just a tad frustrating when you get multiple opinions and can't form a consensus for everyone to use. : ( I'm sorry Yard, I took out my frustration on you when I shouldn't have.

Thank you. I know people will continually state what they have been told but a perfect argument for that is that one person, especially me, have been told an opinion that is completely opposite.

 

[Wesobi]

Does not require clones.

 

[black uchiha]

Well kg's use 2 diff elements at once so :shrug:

 

[-Yard-]

Ok, so after talking with Zen for 30min discussing this bringing up theories etc..


wind and fire blast

The Fire: 3 seals
The wind: 1 seal
The wind can quickly follow after the fire creating the technique.

Typhoon vortex
Rasengan thrown at half speed
Water tech thrown at full speed, they can clash in the air with perfect timing creating the vortex.

There ya go


They count as two moves as well.

 

[Scorps]

Xanthe is right in his reasoning of it needing clones or 2 ninjas. However, the reason why its left this way is basically to give people more techniques to use. When the fire combo was made, not many S-Rank fire techniques existed. The same way, not many A-Rank water defensive techniques existed and the main one (encampement wall) was seen being overcome by that fire, so the reasoning why it was decided to leave them allowed to be used by a single ninja. The question is if its that necessary to edit. ​

Wind and fire blast does not require clones. The reason why it is kept in our rp is because we do not have many S rank fire techniques.

Technically Intense pain and pressure damage are now B rank according to wiki (it was updated) so the technique is really supposed to be A rank. However despite all of the errors in the tech it was kept as an S rank technique from us having lack of S rank long range fire techniques. Yes it honestly would require clones as kakazu had to have two beings to create it with the combination. We all know that the technique it'self doesn't fit our RP unless we use clones, but to add to the rp with use of techniques it was kept and will probably stay that way unless we get another long range fire technique, as for now we have none so it is kept there.

Thanks Yard btw ^^​

Ok, so after talking with Zen for 30min discussing this bringing up theories etc..


wind and fire blast

The Fire: 3 seals
The wind: 1 seal
The wind can quickly follow after the fire creating the technique.

Typhoon vortex
Rasengan thrown at half speed
Water tech thrown at full speed, they can clash in the air with perfect timing creating the vortex.

There ya go


They count as two moves as well.

Thanks. I was going to MSN him when i got him online lol​