[Discussion] coincidence or not?

[gazz uzumaki]

Ever since the So6P said that Naruto was Ashura's reincarnation, I've been looking into some of the religions that Kishimoto has used for his manga.

From what I've found, Ashura means 'the tenth day' in Islam. Which is ironic since Naruto was born on the 10th of October. And then there is Asura, which is in the Buddhist and Hinduism religion. The Asura are Deities/demons which are enemies of Indra that posses six arms and three faces.

Since Ashura's battle form possesses six arms and three faces, it reminded me of the asura path of the Rinnegan that can do the something similar, which I guess shows another link of Ashura inheriting the sages body.

Next are the faces of Ashura's battle form. To me, they honestly look like rabbits. I know that some one said that they look similar to Kurama, but even Kurama's appearance slightly resembles a rabbit since his ears are more akin to a rabbit that a fox.

This also brings me to Kaguya Ōtsutsuki. She was nicknamed the rabbit goddess and a demon. This is also similar to the Asura, since they can also can be considered deities and demons. Kishimoto based her off the moon goddess (I think) called Chang'e, which also gives reference to the cassia tree; also known as the giver of life. The Cassia tree obviously refers to the juubi who was sealed inside the moon by the sage.

All in all, looking into all these religions and trying to look for all these clues that kishimoto has left behind is making my head hurt. I would normally try to use this information and guess what's going to happen in the next chapter but there just isn't enough information to go with (or I'm not smart enough to find it).

But since some of the things I've mentioned happened a while back, such as Naruto's birthday, Kurama's ears, the asura path, Kaguya Ōtsutsuki's and asuras god/demon similarity, and finally with the Cassia tree and the juubi; do you think it was all just a big coincidence on Kishimoto's part or was some of it actually planned?

 

[Drifter2410]

Though much cannot be said but good research. Everything is actually connected. Repped.

 

[Sjhsgjhsgjshjshjsh]

Ashura means the tenth in Arabic .(there is no "day" word)

People just call the tenth day "ashura "in islam .

 

[reizon]

asura posses six arms and three
faces in hindu myth...this is not true.!!

 

[gazz uzumaki]

asura posses six arms and three
faces in hindu myth...this is not true.!!

I was referring to the Buddhist religion on that part. Sorry that I didn't specify that.

 

[ObitoGokuKakashi]

Nice Thread. Nice find. We'll see what happens. And I'm sure that Kishi planned this.

 

[jagajaga]

ten in arabic is 'ashara. 'a is pronounce with use of your nose

 

[-ahhimane-]

you deserve a rep for that =D
Kishi has done his homework nicely before pulling out his manga

 

[captainaruto]

well! Most of the things in narutoverse is somehow connected to any one of the asian religions. But i wouldn't recommend pondering too much about it, as most of the time, its just the names that are based on the mythology. No further relation can be made out. For example like amerterasu, tsukuyomi, izanami, izanagi are all there in Japanese mythology, but its just the name. No further characteristics link to anything else.

In hindu mythology, Indra is the God of gods riding a white elephant called Airavat and asura is the bad guy.

 

[Drifter2410]

well! Most of the things in narutoverse is somehow connected to any one of the asian religions. But i wouldn't recommend pondering too much about it, as most of the time, its just the names that are based on the mythology. No further relation can be made out. For example like amerterasu, tsukuyomi, izanami, izanagi are all there in Japanese mythology, but its just the name. No further characteristics link to anything else.

In hindu mythology, Indra is the God of gods riding a white elephant called Airavat and asura is the bad guy.

Why do you say that it's just names when all characteristics match?

Amaterasu is the sun goddess, thus the hottest and undistinguishable flames. Izanagi & Izanami are a pair technique, one made for the other which is true because Izanagi and Izanami are the Married rocks or Meoto Iwa. Even Susano'o is a knight so, it isn't just names but all characteristics.

Still, being (an atheist) from a Hindu family, I still am pondering over the fact about why the elder son who is more negative is called Indra and the other Ashura but as many people said, one name from one mythology may/may not correspond to a similar name from another mythology. So, I think we can have a benefit of doubt here.

 

[Hokage Jay]

Your a genius

 

[itachi uchiha fiance]

it is not coincidance.

 

[davidou]

Ashura=budhist , Hashirama's best technique is refering to buddhism.

And , Indra=shinto (Tengu like technique , susano'o).

Is Naruto referring to the arrival of buddhism (Kaguya's powers) in the shintoist Japan (Tengu kings tricks) , and the shinto/buddhist syncretism?

Some japanese realized by studying buddhism , like Kukai did (Kōbō-Daishi) , that buddhism and shintoism could be united to create another religion.

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Kukai had a very intersting life , birth , travel , public works , poems , religion , his final years...
This article is very interesting:

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1000 years later , after the third great war and a lot of problems , syncretism shinto/buddhist (Kukai's ideas) grew in Japan.
He makes me think of SO6P.