Clearing up the confusion on who the strongest Hokage is......

[Ryuu..]

Look how you can't come up with a counter..ALL you can say is databook. Other's have already countered that and yet you ignored their posts just like how you ignored mine. If you can't beat us then why not join us...give us a good counter first if you want us to change our opinion. Just don't keep on saying "databook" coz that's BS!

The guy who said the data books are unreliable and BS. The data books being the source of all knowledge in Naruto.

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[ajpn920]

I'm not wasting my time replying to your foolishness. Minato fanboys can't be convinced so there's no point U_U

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First you say feats are what you determine to be important. We haven't seen Hashirama's so I countered that pointless response. I've given so much evidence in this damn thread and I already told you i'm tired of repeating myself.

Foolishness?? You're getting worse dude. Just accept the fact that you don't have what it takes to counter all of my posts and I'm not fooling around. I've countered you from the start and now all you can do is called it "foolishness"? just wow...

 

[ajpn920]

The guy who said the data books are unreliable and BS. The data books being the source of all knowledge in Naruto.

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This is what you call "foolishness". You can't even read properly. Stop fooling man...Did I say databook is not reliable? You're making up things...Maybe you do have an imaginary friend..

 

[Ryuu..]

Foolishness?? You're getting worse dude. Just accept the fact that you don't have what it takes to counter all of my posts and I'm not fooling around. I've countered you from the start and now all you can do is called it "foolishness"? just wow...

The guy who said the data books are unreliable and BS. The data books being the source of all knowledge in Naruto.

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Does he deserve a civilised response?

 

[Ryuu..]

This is what you call "foolishness". You can't even read properly. Stop fooling man...Did I say databook is not reliable? You're making up things...Maybe you do have an imaginary friend..

Look how you can't come up with a counter..ALL you can say is databook. Other's have already countered that and yet you ignored their posts just like how you ignored mine. If you can't beat us then why not join us...give us a good counter first if you want us to change our opinion. Just don't keep on saying "databook" coz that's BS!

The guy who said the data books are unreliable and BS. The data books being the source of all knowledge in Naruto.

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Once you say something that dumb there's just no way back for you.

 

[ajpn920]

The guy who said the data books are unreliable and BS. The data books being the source of all knowledge in Naruto.

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Does he deserve a civilised response?

Stop making excuses.....you created this thread and you even titled it "clearing up the confusion" yet you can't do that..it's totally a failure on your part..Why don't you clear up the confusion by giving a counter to my posts...be a man dude....:flaw:

 

[Son of God]

I'm not wasting my time replying to your foolishness. Minato fanboys can't be convinced so there's no point U_U

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First you say feats are what you determine to be important. We haven't seen Hashirama's so I countered that pointless response. I've given so much evidence in this damn thread and I already told you i'm tired of repeating myself.

In terms of evidence? What else? Go check your post. You said, "there is more evidence..." I said that is debatable..
Vision of feats > hearsay ----- That is still not making the statement, "therefore X is greater than Y". I never said anything like that.

I shouldn't be surprised if you still don't get it.

 

[Ryuu..]

Ok, I give up you guys win. Here's a personal message from Minato:

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[Bijuu13]

and we can use madara's mokuton feats considering its hashiramas power and dna, just not at full strength .. which only makes hashirama look stronger lol

 

[Ryuu..]

and we can use madara's mokuton feats considering its hashiramas power and dna, just not at full strength .. which only makes hashirama look stronger lol

How can it be Hashirama's feat if Madara used the jutsu

 

[Bijuu13]

How can it be Hashirama's feat if Madara used the jutsu

because its hashiramas jutsu

 

[Ryuu..]

because its hashiramas jutsu

Oh so when Yamato uses it you'll count it as Hashirama's feat aswell yeah.........................:rofl:

 

[Bijuu13]

Oh so when Yamato uses it you'll count it as Hashirama's feat aswell yeah.........................:rofl:

o so your telling me hashirama cant do that x 10 ?

 

[Totsuka No Tsurugi]

That doesn't mean they would underestimate Hashirama powers, Jiraiya had knowledge on Madara, the Sage, Rinnegan and was always serious when talking about them. Jiraiya even was extremely causious about fight Pain before meeting him, all he heard was Pain killed Hanzo by himself and Jiraiya was on high alert. Minato wasn't alive when Tobirama was alive yet he had enough knowledge on him to say Tobi's S/T jutsu was better than both his and Tobirama's. [Minato was hyped by strong ninjas as well as the other Hokages but Minato was never in his prime. Minato is very smart and was said to never make a wasted move and is able to analyze a jutsu's strenghts and weakness by seeing it once (Chidori, Tobi's S/T jutsu, created rasengan from seeing tbb).

yeah but he have no idea what they capable of,
maybe he heard it from someone? but it doesn't really matter since he was talking about jutsu, but he don't exactly know what the 2nd capable of,
only hiruzen was able live long enough to realize his potential, hashirama and tobirama died in the same aga like kakashi or shikaku i suppose

It was deleted but my point still stands.

Hiruzen was said to know all of Konoha's jutsus (non-bloodline), smart and reaspect but it's already stated Minato was the fastest ninja, never made a wasted move. So I say they are without a doubt even. Remember in Hiruzen fight with Orochimaru, it was said if Hiruzen was 10 years older then he would have won but when he was fighting the fox he was 13 years younger and with help only managed to drive the fox out of the village. Minato moved the fox out of the village and sealed him away with a little help from Kushina. Let's look at what both of them were doing before this happened, Minato was trying to maintain Kushina's seal during child birth (looks to be an hour or more before Naruto was born since labor isn't a fast process and we don't know how much chakra was required for the sealing jutsu) while Hiruzen was doing paper work. Hiruzen was around 58-59 when Tobi attacked and we see Jiraiya (53) , Oonoki (over 80), A (50+), Kakuza (alive during Hashirama's time) all fight powerful ninja's without complaining about not being in their prime (except Oonoki and his back). They got stronger in their old age and from what I've seen Hiruzen collapse 1-2 times fighting the fox with a large group or chunins, jounins and anbu backing him up at age 58-59 but fought better when fighting Orochimaru, edo Hashirama and edo Tobirama. Yeah I know the edos weren't as complete as Kabuto's edos were but they were still Kage level and had their abilities. Hashirama powers were a myth like the Sage and even being an incomplete edo tensei wouldn't weaken him that much so I say edo Hashirama, edo Tobirama and Orochimara is a tough fight compared to a controlled fox.

don't say kushina only help minato a little when he try to seal the fox, if it not because kushina holding down the fox then DDS will never work, THAT'S A BIG HELP,

but then again, maybe minato is more suited to fight the fox, thanks to his jutsu, its all about bad match up,
not to mention that hiruzen is nicotine holic and maybe that bad habit is the reason why he collapsed in a battle against the kyubi U_U

 

[BloodSeed]

thread FAILED :rofl:

 

[Jiraiya the womanizer]

I've just read through the whole thread.

I don't see how you cleared up any confusion... First you say Hiruzen Prime is the strongest. But your only argument for that statement is that kishi wrote so in the databook and you keep repeating that. So does that mean we have to take anything written in the databook literally?? I don't think so..... (threads have been made which give examples that the databook isn't always accurate or 100% true)

Also I think there are many member who started to ****ride hashirama since the latest chapter which didn't support him before.... Like it happend other times before when a character gained some new hypeU_U.

But after that new hype(praise) is given to hashirama you can't really be thinking that Hiruzen Prime is stronger than hashirama. Even if kishi himself made those statements about hiruzen in the databook. It's also kishi who wrote this: "The first Hokage Senjuu Hashirama, there are no Shinobi like him anymore... Everyone agrees on that... As the legend goes, his strenght was comparable to that of Rikudou Sennin... Now... I'll turn that fairytale into reality!" I mean, stength comparable to the rikudo sennin! Can there be any higher praise?? That statement can't be ignored.... Still, I know it has been argued before and the counter argument for that will always be: "kishi wrote that about hiruzen in the databook...." And if that's the logic behind the argument hiruzen>hashirama, then there's simply no need to bother with it.

Also I think it's amusing how the thread changed into HiruzenPrime vs minato. And again, as soon as minato is mentioned all the haters come along. That's just pathetic! Many member on this base say that minato has the most fanboys. Well that may be true, but he also has the most haters! And haters are much more worse than fanboys! And you know what is most funny?? Since minato is my favourite character I visit a lot of threads about minato. I see constantly the same members bashing/hating on him! And it isn't a surprise that they are mostly fans of the uchiha characters... I have a feeling that they are constantly waiting for a thread about minato to show up so that they can hate on the guy! But hating on a character because of the fans is just so sad! Like it has been mentioned before I also think minato had the most potential. But he died young, so we don't know.

IMO

1. Hashirama Senju
2. Minato Namikaze / Hiruzen Sarutobi
3. Tobirama Senju
4. Tsunade Senju

 

[MasterofSenjutsu]

Hell, I give Minato props for being a badass without being a Senju or Uchiha.

 

[Uchiha Gohan]

based on this,....
Tobirama was undoubtedly an immensely powerful shinobi. He was hailed as one of the most powerful shinobi of his era[2] and was also the creator of the Summoning: Impure World Resurrection technique; however, some time after its creation he labelled it as a kinjutsu and never mastered it himself, though he did use it enough for it to be recognised by other Kage.[3] By simply touching the ground with his index finger, he could detect the presence and number of enemy shinobi.[4]. According to Minato Namikaze, Tobirama was also very skilled in Space–Time Ninjutsu.Tobirama was primarily known for his mastery of Water Release. He could perform powerful water-style techniques in areas that lacked bodies of water by creating his own water out of thin air, and perform some of the most complex water-style techniques, such as the Water Release: Water Dragon Bullet Technique, with a single hand seal. This amongst other reasons is why he is revered as the greatest known Water Release manipulator in the series.[6]He is also shown to have great physical prowess and a considerable amount of skill in the area of taijutsu, as well as good teamwork with his elder brother, Hashirama Senju.

Bold: I hope you do realize that Hiruzen was alive during his era, and saying the one of the most powerful, doesn't mean he was more powerful than Hiruzen that is where your argument is flawed.

 

[Jiraiya the womanizer]

Hell, I give Minato props for being a badass without being a Senju or Uchiha.

I second that. That's the reason why he is my favourite character actually. He's a beast without any Dojutsu or other KG or beeing senju. That's a true genius IMO. Same goes for Hiruzen(although the sarutobi clan is pretty famous in konoha too). And you know, I am sure that's one of the reason why so many hate on minato. Because most of their favourite character rely on a Dojutsu or a KG (or Senju DNA). Otherwise they couldn't keep up at all Even Itachi which is still very strong without the sharingan would be never as strong without his sharingan and especially not without his MS. That can't be argued.

 

[Ryuu..]

I second that. That's the reason why he is my favourite character actually. He's a beast without any Dojutsu or other KG or beeing senju. That's a true genius IMO. Same goes for Hiruzen(although the sarutobi clan is pretty famous in konoha too). And you know, I am sure that's one of the reason why so many hate on minato. Because most of their favourite character rely on a Dojutsu or a KG (or Senju DNA). Otherwise they couldn't keep up at all Even Itachi which is still very strong without the sharingan would be never as strong without his sharingan and especially not without his MS. That can't be argued.

You say that without knowing what the Namikaze clan's true heritage is..................