Many people have said Hiruzen is the best. Show me where someone has said Hashirama is the best Hokage. Show me where it says Minato is the best Hokage.
Kishi has said through the Manga and the data books (which aren't just character quotes :flaw that Hiruzen is the top dog.
And for the last time, Hashirama wasn't compared to the Sage, his power was described as a myth and compared to the sage's myth; saying that people didn't know or believe his power so they thought he was a myth. This has NOTHING to do with Hashirama being on the same level as the sage or being as strong or whatever sh*t you're trying to pull.
either way it looks to me like you have a hate towards minato. idk why you hate a character to that extreme but thats your personal issue.
reason why people say the 1st was the strongest was because of the people he fought and feat he accomplished. Beating Madara, senju clan leader, wood release, making the hidden leaf. even yamato couldnt make more than 5 houses w/o being tired.
but there is no actually words by kishi saying so and so is the strongest. every person has their favorate charater who they would put in the runnings due to legends and feat. the 3rd, minato, 2nd or 1st. but at the end of the day kishi will decide who is stronger. though they are from different generations so its hard to compare
Have you not been reading what others have said to you? Better yet, have you not been reading what you've said? You've admitted the databooks are the source of choice, due to manga inconsistencies with hype.
Hashirama comparison aside: If you think those 3 points you've presented from the databook are anything other than reiterations, this conversation, and thread should be ended.
Unless... Unless there are other statements on Hiruzen in the databook?
Provide info on Hiruzen, that is a direct statement from Kishi, other than those 3 points. Those ARE restatements of manga canon. Do you not get it? Or are you just to focused on adding periods to your sentences?
Dogs are loyal creatures.
Dogs are (admired as, called, respected as) loyal creatures.
It's just so happens that minato has speed and intelligence.
Hashirama has no speed feats. I assume he must have been pretty smart and we all know he had strenght but what everyone is falling to realize is that the only true fight we saw hashirama in was pathetic. No one ever said hashirama was the strongest hokage up until the recent chapter was release.
All of you that are saying he's the strongest are **** riders. Because you were saying it before last Wednesday. Hashirama has nothing that can counter FTG. Nothing. No one has yet to give a good argument on how he can beat minato. You guys just assume. And it's stupid.
Speed&intelligence > strenght&intelligence
You can't pound on something you can't catch. Baka
Its pretty clear that hiruzen was the youngest. Just brush his posts aside U_U
I mean how old does he look when he was still under tobirama's guidance;
They are 7 of them in the group. 3 of them were known to be powerful. If danzo were going to fight GIN and hiruzen for KIN, the the remaining 5 including nidaime will fight the remaining 18 nin, do you think Danzo and Hiruzen will lose to the KIn-GIN bros? Can't the 2nd Hokage take out the remaining 14 unknown nins?
Seems like i need to clarify something. Bee countered minato. It wasnt a lucky guess, he knew exactly where minato would appear. Seriously i cannot believe im about to explain this. Seems like minato fans dont know how his technique (ftg) works.
Basically he teleports to where he leaves a seal/tag;
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Now the cloud ninja's have info on minato and his technique, Similarly leaf had info on A;
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Now the 8 tails tentacles comes from bee's back;
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Now minato marks bee's tentacles;
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Now we know that minato teleports to where the ftg tags/kunai's are.
We also know that both villages had info on each other.
We also know that bee's tentacles comes from his back, meaning since minato left a tag on his tentacles and his tentacles comes from his back, if he teleports he would teleport to where the tag is which is bee's back. Its the info on how his technique works that allowed bee to predict and counter minato because he knew where he would teleport.
The bolded part, if what you say is true then how come Minato was able to do this: It's very clear that Minato attacked Tobi from above and not from his back.
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How about this one. The kunai is hanging as you can see yet Minato appeared far from the kunai.
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and here: Kunais on the wall
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Minato can teleport to where the mark is but he can choose where to appear..front, back, or above the target
"there aren't ninjas on the same level of the 1st hokage hashirama anymore, all the people agree with that"
where did you got that nowadays ?
and you can't really ignore that hype, being compared to the sage is not something happen casually,
but then again the databook said it was hiruzen,
all i want say that in this page its imply that hashirama could have be the strongest hokage and lets wait for the databook U_U
you don't really have to use *sigh*, keep it civil none of us looking for a fight, we are here to discuss about something that confirmed and unconfirmed, but lets not cross the line
out of all dead hokage, only hiruzen hype that can probably match him
beside hashirama i never saw any character being compared to the sage,
and yeah people heard about his power, and they heard that from the people who actually witness hashirama prowess there is a possibility that it was exaggerated,
but then again one of hashirama jutsu take down all the 5th kage like totally
oh and also i never say something like hashirama and the sage is equal, nor do i have problem about hiruzen is better than hashirama(until the manga/databook stated it)
but in that page its clearly imply that hashirama is THE BOSS
The data book now is the correct one and hence we must go by that:
Page 117: "He is such a genius ninja that he was even called the 'Professor', and he still garners everyone's respect as the strongest Hokage in history." (「„プロフェッサー”と呼ばれたほ� �� ��の天才忍者であり、歴代最強の� �影 として皆の尊敬を集め続ける。」, "'Purofessā' to yobareta hodo no tensai ninja de ari, rekidai saikyō no Hokage toshite mina no sonkei o atsume tsuzukeru")
Page 119: "'Strongest in history', 'genius', et cetera, the words used to describe the Third Hokage are filled with respect." (「„歴代最強”„天才”など、三代� �� ��火影を形容する言葉は賞賛に満� �て いる。」, "'Rekidai saikyō' 'tensai' nado, Sandaime Hokage o keiyōsuru kotoba wa shōsan ni michite iru.")
Page 265: "The Third is called the strongest, even among the past Hokage, and he is even admired as the 'God of Shinobi'." (「三代目は歴代火影の中でも最強と� �� ��われ、„忍の神”と謳われたこ� �も 。」, "Sandaime wa rekidai Hokage no naka demo saikyō to iware, 'Shinobi no Kami' to utawareta koto mo")
Many people have said Hiruzen is the best. Show me where someone has said Hashirama is the best Hokage. Show me where it says Minato is the best Hokage.
Kishi has said through the Manga and the data books (which aren't just character quotes :flaw that Hiruzen is the top dog.
And for the last time, Hashirama wasn't compared to the Sage, his power was described as a myth and compared to the sage's myth; saying that people didn't know or believe his power so they thought he was a myth. This has NOTHING to do with Hashirama being on the same level as the sage or being as strong or whatever sh*t you're trying to pull.
To all RikudoMadara's posts. You keep on saying "databook" Do you know what a DATA is? to be honest dude do you know what a DATA is? If what you mean pieces of information then all of those info are gathered from one source...and that is the MANGA written by Kishi himself...The only thing that we can't find in the manga are their stats, right? Do you know now what a DATA is??
He is such a genius ninja that he was even called the 'Professor', and he still garners everyone's respect as the strongest Hokage in history
You keep on posting this and you said it's coming from KIshi himself..It's very clear that everyone from that time thinks that he is the strongest Hokage but who are those people?
Here:
"I believe that only you [naruto] can surpass the Fourth Hokage.
~ Kakashi, The Legendary Copy Ninja of the Leaf.
"There was never a man that could surpass him [Fourth Hokage] "
~ The Legendary Raikage
"That unrivalled strength [Minato], that carefree smile.."
~ Masashi Kishimoto, Creator of Naruto.
Aw come on, everybody pales in comparison to the fourth lord. As a shinobi his capacity was unparalleled, a true one-of-a kind.
~Jiraiya, the Legendary Sannin.
Now, you know who these people are..do you? Do you know those people who called Hiruzen the strongest? Who are they? If you say Iruka, then you are wrong again because if it's Iruka's point of view then he could have said that the "3rd is the strongest hokage" instead of "he was said to be the strongest hokage" just like what Kakashi, Jiriya, Raikage thinks.
Here it is again..read carefully
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Until now, you haven't countered my previous posts and you keep on saying that KISHI> all my posts..Do you realize that what I've posted is written by Kishi himself and with scans? Can you counter all of my posts if you don't mind.
All I've heard from you is the databook. That's a lame excuse when you don't even know what it is. Give facts from the source!
Sometimes you can't tell the age by just the looks alone. You need to confirm it.
They are 7 of them in the group. 3 of them were known to be powerful. If danzo were going to fight GIN and hiruzen for KIN, the the remaining 5 including nidaime will fight the remaining 18 nin, do you think Danzo and Hiruzen will lose to the KIn-GIN bros? Can't the 2nd Hokage take out the remaining 14 unknown nins?
The bolded part, if what you say is tru then how come Minato was able to do this: It's very clear that Minato attacted Tobi from above and not from his back.
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How about this one. The kunai is hanging as you can see yet Minato appeared far from the kunai.
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and here: Kunais on the wall
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Minato can teleport to where the mark is but he can choose where to appear..front, back, or above the target
at bolded part..I agree
To all RikudoMadara's posts. You keep on saying "databook" Do you know what a DATA is? to be honest dude do you know what a DATA is? If what you mean pieces of information then all of those info are gathered from one source...and that is the MANGA written by Kishi himself...The only thing that we can't find in the manga are their stats, right? Do you know now what a DATA is??
You keep on posting this and you said it's coming from KIshi himself..It's very clear that everyone from that time thinks that he is the strongest Hokage but who are those people?
Here:
"I believe that only you [naruto] can surpass the Fourth Hokage.
~ Kakashi, The Legendary Copy Ninja of the Leaf..............................
"There was never a man that could surpass him [Fourth Hokage] "
~ The Legendary Raikage, fastest man in the world................................
"That unrivalled strength [Minato], that carefree smile.."
~ Masashi Kishimoto, Creator of Naruto.................
Aw come on, everybody pales in comparison to the fourth lord. As a shinobi his capacity was unparalleled, a true one-of-a kind.
~Jiraiya, the Legendary Sannin.
Now, you know who these people are..do you? Do you know those people who called Hiruzen the strongest? Who are they? If you say Iruka, then you are wrong again because if it's Iruka's point of view then he could have said that the "3rd is the strongest hokage" instead of "he was said to be the strongest hokage" just like what Kakashi, Jiriya, Raikage thinks.
Here it is again..read carefully
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Until now, you haven't countered my previous posts and you keep on saying that KISHI> all my posts..Do you realize that what I've posted is written by Kishi himself and with scans? Can you counter all of my posts if you don't mind.
All I've heard from you is the databook. That's a lame excuse when you don't even know what it is. Give facts from the source!
You said we haven't seen Hiruzen's feats. So have we seen Hashirama's? That's what I asked you. Have we seen them. Therefore are you concluding Minato > Hashirama because we've only seen Minato's feats?
I've shown him Minato's feat more than he can show Hiruzen's feats..He will ignored your posts if he can't counter it and he will just say Kishi> your posts..
You said we haven't seen Hiruzen's feats. So have we seen Hashirama's? That's what I asked you. Have we seen them. Therefore are you concluding Minato > Hashirama because we've only seen Minato's feats?
We haven't seen Hiruzen's prime feats. True.
We haven't seen much of Hashi, unless you include Madara's use of his technique and Edo Hashi.
And here is where your conclusion fails: I said vision > hearsay. This is IN TERMS OF EVIDENCE!
Do you have trouble reading/using context?
There may be more evidence favoring one side, but one could still favor the other. I.E. witnesses, gut feelings/faith.
Look how you can't come up with a counter..ALL you can say is databook. Other's have already countered that and yet you ignored their posts just like how you ignored mine. If you can't beat us then why not join us...give us a good counter first if you want us to change our opinion. Just don't keep on saying "databook" coz that's BS!
I've shown him Minato's feat more than he can show Hiruzen's feats..He will ignored your posts if he can't counter it and he will just say Kishi> your posts..
We haven't seen Hiruzen's prime feats. True.
We haven't seen much of Hashi, unless you include Madara's use of his technique and Edo Hashi.
And here is where your conclusion fails: I said vision > hearsay. This is IN TERMS OF EVIDENCE!
Do you have trouble reading/using context?
There may be more evidence favoring one side, but one could still favor the other. I.E. witnesses, gut feelings/faith.
First you say feats are what you determine to be important. We haven't seen Hashirama's so I countered that pointless response. I've given so much evidence in this damn thread and I already told you i'm tired of repeating myself.
that Hiruzen is the top dog.
