[Theory] Classifying undefined Kekkei Genkis

[muk]

This is just my guess

Explosion- earth and lightning
Scorch- fire and wind
Magnet- wind and lightning

 

[SkyGodHorus]

It would make more sense if it was what I said and not combining elements but ok

I revised my thoughts on the explosion release. Hopefully it will help you to understand my initial classification better.

 

[Tobi98]

I revised my thoughts on the explosion release. Hopefully it will help you to understand my initial classification better.

I think that explosion release has nothing to do with earth, the clay is earth release, Deidara use a kinjutsu that can knew chakra into materials, so basicly the clay has inside of it the esplosion release chakra but it's not the clay that causes the exposion

 

[Mephew D Kensei]

I think that explosion release has nothing to do with earth, the clay is earth release, Deidara use a kinjutsu that can knew chakra into materials, so basicly the clay has inside of it the esplosion release chakra but it's not the clay that causes the exposion

Thats what I said or rather what I was trying to say.

 

[Tobi98]

Thats what I said or rather what I was trying to say.

Oh sorry I didn't notice your comment

 

[Mephew D Kensei]

Oh sorry I didn't notice your comment

Worru not actually having someone see it the way I do is cause for a small celebratory dance.

 

[SkyGodHorus]

u know for explosion check Zokko frm avatar air bender when he was training to use lightning thats how explosion is done, for Gari that is. Its fire being mixed with lighting- dont dispute its a lazy monday.

So you are saying it is a combination of lightning and fire? Or did I misunderstand? I've never seen last airbender and I don't understand the physics you're referring to so you may have to elaborate. Furthermore, this is Naruto not avatar.

Deidar's for me is more an attribute of his of his chakra than it is of mixing two nature types and the earth is rather just a holding vessel or better say a container for the explosive chakra and the tech is weak to lightning well coz well disturb the energy and it doesnt detonate and lightning passing thru the earth does disturb it.

A few contradictions come off in this however. Gari and Deidara use the same release, yet you claim one uses lighting while the other doesn't and is instead weak against it. Furthermore, he refers to it as clay and C4 and real C4 is an explosive that takes on a clay substance after all its chemicals and minerals have been mixed. The way you are referring to it here is that the clay is just a vessel, but for real C4, it's explosive ingredients are what make it explosive, along with a trigger of heat and a shockwave as a catalyst. What exactly are you saying his explosive chakra nature is made up of if the clay plays no part other than being a vessel? Fire and lightning like Gari's? If so, could you explain the physics of it?

With Guren thats just an earth type Kekei Genkei,

Now this I straight out can't agree with. If it were just an earth element attack, why call it crystal and why take on the form of a crystal? It doesn't make sense.

u dont have to break down into the science of how a crystall is made

Sure I can. Most of the kekkei genkis work that way, especially the boil, lava, explosion, magnet and steel releases. You recall Mei stating she screwed up the ph level of the five kage summit by using both her kekkei genkis and had to fix it? I'm not so much applying in depth science into these, just basic physics and logic, and all the elements I classified with them seemed to fit based on the user's history and the logical elements of the technique.

u just gotta see it as a form of purified/specialised earth that is produced from chakra,

Yes, specialized, as in it being a kekkei genki and thus comprised of more than one element. Guren's crystals actually grow and are transparent. That implies other elements are at work besides stone and dirt.

so just as someone is born able to vomit out earth Guren's clan's chakra is special coz it can vomit out earth that is in a form different to other earth vomiters.

Guren's crystal element if I recall correctly manifest from her hands and the ground, not her mouth.

As for blaze release I think its just simpily very much similar to fire bending or rather amaterasu bending, so just telepathic flame control think of it as like someone opening and closing a gas bottle thats supplying the flames.

Then again, you used lightning and fire to classify Gari's explosion release, yes?

And if it is merely fire, why not just call it katon or amaterasu rather than a whole other classification called enton? Furthermore, why would c say it's comprised of at least two elements?

I myself do like going full science on everything but sometimes I like to ask is this what was in the mangaka's mind so i try and find the simplest or simplistic way to reach that conculusion im trying to explain.

I'm not like that. I try to examine all possibilities I can find, otherwise it feels like I'm not putting my whole mind into it and instead taking a short cut or ignoring things. I do tend to ramble, over think and over elaborate on things at times, but whether I like it or not, it's just the way I am.

I think that explosion release has nothing to do with earth, the clay is earth release, Deidara use a kinjutsu that can knew chakra into materials, so basicly the clay has inside of it the esplosion release chakra but it's not the clay that causes the exposion

No you're right, an ignition does. Nevertheless, with real explosives, it is the properties of them that make them explosive and Deidara's clay is based off real C4.

 

[Rohan]

Another thing to notice is that Guren was able to transform Water into Crystal pretty easily which might show that Crystal has a connection with Water.

 

[Hori]

What about Pakura's mummfying style?

 

[Rohan]

What about Pakura's mummifying style?

That was actually Scorch Release.

 

[SkyGodHorus]

What about Pakura's mummfying style?

That is scorch release. I didn't add it because it's more or less stated its a mix of fire and wind.

 

[Mephew D Kensei]

@SkyGodHorus- eay to blow apart Lazy Monday, but thats K lets try this out but remember Im a simplistic and lazy kinda guy.

Case 1-Guren and crystall
Crystall are substance that are made up of atoms/ions/molecules arranged in lattices or in odered pattens extending in all 3 spatial dimensions and this can even b yo table salt or quartz or diamond or water in Ice form but u already k kw this. with the number of crystalls out there there are vast elements that in the proper arrangement become crystall but at best that is some substance thats a naturall component of earth like silica or carbon(if they arent well forgive me) and yes in other crystalls water is a part like opal. In yo orig post u said with fire wind or lightning as a catalyst that is its not part of the crystall. I dont knkw but when Guren cystalyziz stuff for me i dont see any real world like process just a mythical force that is chakra freezing stuff in stone, I will yield on water being probably part of her crystall as I dont know the atomic properties of it but on the catalyst I say thats not kekei style coz all element in lave are still somewhat present in the final product so the catalyst is her chakra not anothrr element coz if its so scintific why cant other pple with said elements just recreate the process, I say they cant coz their chakra isnt the tyype that can but if u start bringing in words like catalyst then then its a process and if u bring all parts together in the right form and method then irregardless of blood and heritage the process has to hold tru and work for everyone with the right elements. I say its her chakra that yes turns stuff and can turn to crystall itself and there is no crystall other than Ice i know that doesnt have earthen elements and so for me earth is the basis of her tech as its clearly not Ice but yes water maube part of it so yah u on the right path.




Case 2: Amaterasu and Sasuke

U asked me then why call it enton if its just fire or amateras but well its not fire or amateras its the ability to manipulate the had been claimed un quanchable flames of amateras so the ability wld have been a plot hole if Sasuke from no explanation cld suppress and even exstinguish the inexstinguishable flames but coz now we are given a specialised tech we no longer question this and see it as a fit way to manipulate amateras and in reality its an ability that allows Sasuke to control in every degree the flames that are amateras and its not a stand out element type kekkei genkei coz he cant use it withought there already being amateras.

Case 3 Gari explosive style and Deidara style art is a blast.

While yes both the two of them use what is known as explosion style their methods are totally different , Gari produces purely nothing but explosions while Deidara makes clay explode. Im sorry my not so subtle un serious explanation on Gari and his style being a combination of lightning and fire is pretty confusing but that was after in a sense this "fire at the speed of lightning" or lightning flame but take not this to heart.
As a way to explain their style I wld say the important part is the blood line part meaning of special race and it is that their chakra has the natural property allowing it to explode at their will but their methods of delivering the explosion are whats different coz Gari punches with an explosion but he himself never suffers from the explosion where as the clay dolls by Daidara do take part in the explosion and suffer just as anyting caught within the blast. What im saying is simple mindedly i cld say if i try and create fire and lightning at the same moment with equal amounts of chakra for both i think it wld work out in an ezplosion but both thhe users in this case are indeed from the Earth side of naruto verse and Deidara is indeed in a manner and earth user user it is probable for earth to b a part of explosion style so probably yes but I wld say if other pple can create flame from their chakra it isnt so in concievable for 1 to create a more violent release of heat from their chakra alone withought transcribing it into two base elements bcoz end of the day Kekei Gengekei is not mixing two chakra forms but really a take that only a few can use even if they have the same aspects as other who cant use it coz not every kkg is this seen with kkgs like that of kimimaro unles u say its bone which is in old world part earth and using water one ld grow them any way they like.

Ps siphon out useless bits, now thats one lazy monday Iwoth get back.