Chidori-Raikiri / Different or same ?

[loj]

Different.

Raikiri has lightining on one point.

Chidori has lightning on bigger area.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

But its not forgetting. He even saying how the jutsu earned its nickname. Databook isn't saying such a thing either.

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Kakashi's ''Chidori'' cut lightning... That legend is the origin of the name ''Raikiri''.

This is what DB says, ''Raikiri'' is nothing more than a nickname of Chidori. His jutsu didn't changed suddenly after he cut a lightning bolt with it.

Notice how it says "guy says"

Either way this pointless arguing doesn't change it's superior rank and different seals.


So unless u believe it's rank changed due to nickname idk what to tell you.


EDIT:Looked DB for both.

Chidori: concentrated to the arm
Raikiri:Concentrated to the hand or "single point.


Might be semantics to you but in all likelihood it's a difference in concentration.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

It's hilarious that people here believe that S rank means more powerful or better or refined, or whichever garbage Kakashi fans have taught themselves to post here over the years, but according to Databook IV, S simply means Secret. Which would explain the nickname given to the tech as it cut a lightning bolt.

Also, before teaching it to Sasuke, it was a Secret or S rank tech as it's an assassination technique and Kakashi taught it to no one before Sasuke. Learn to use a bit of common sense, which I know isn't that common on this base, but use it nonetheless.

Rank is acquisition level.

 

[shelke]

Rank is acquisition level.

There is no acquisition level above A in Databook IV and nor does this acquisition level have anything to do with refinement or power, but, how difficult the learning curve of the Jutsu is:

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S - Secret - Highest Rank
A - Forbidden jutsu and beyond hard ninjutsu
B - Jōnin Rank
C - Chūnin Rank
D - Genin Rank
E - Academy Rank
ー - Jutsu that is the user’s special ability (like Kekkei Genkai and Secret Techniques). Jutsu that utilizes things like animals and summoning, etc.

If you want to deny this, then be my guest. As the manga and the databook statements don't seem to convince you.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

There is no acquisition level above A in Databook IV and nor does this acquisition level have anything to do with refinement or power, but, how difficult the learning curve of the Jutsu is:

S - Secret
A - Jounin
B - Chunin
C - Genin

If you want to deny this, then be my guest. As the manga and the databook statements don't seem to convince you.

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Rank= acquisition

 

[shelke]

^ You mean he says, "S rank OR a higher acquisition level OR it probably might be impossible" learning curve? Don't see any point here, given that he has created two probable learning curves separate from S Rank.

It still doesn't even remotely refute what I stated; S equals Secret. It has nothing to do with power.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

^ You mean he says, "S rank OR a higher acquisition level OR it probably might be impossible" learning curve? Don't see any point here, given that he has created two probable learning curves separate from S Rank.

It still doesn't even remotely refute what I stated; S equals Secret. It has nothing to do with power.

He flat says rank= acquisition. Then goes on to say frs might be even greater than that of the highest rank. It doesn't change his statement about rank being acquisition.


And disproving the bs about S-rank being "secret":


Mind body transfer(ino's tech) is a secret technique yet it's rank is C.

 

[shelke]

He flat says rank= acquisition. Then goes on to say frs might be even greater than that of the highest rank. It doesn't change his statement about rank being acquisition.


And disproving the bs about S-rank being "secret":

Mind body transfer(ino's tech) is a secret technique yet it's rank is C.

Who said it isn't an acquisition level? I am talking about the learning curve here. Secret level is also an acquisition level, which may or may not be tough. As for BS, then I'll take the new Databook's statement over yours.

It's a secret tech for her own clan. That doesn't mean her own clan members are not privy to the information. By the way, it still doesn't say anything about Raikiri being more advanced.

So yeah, they are one and the same thing.

 

[Sinedd]

Mind body transfer(ino's tech) is a secret technique yet it's rank is C.

Ino tech it's Hiden. Hiden techniques are passed down orally from generation to generation in certain regions or clans. They do not give ranking

Sorry my english bad. What is acquisition level?
My acquaintance translated to me with Japanese into Russian.(I am Ukrainian).
His say "Classification by six levels allows to understand degree of difficulty of Jutsu."
S - Secret(Jap."ougi")* In the highest complexity secret("Gokui-極意")** level***
*

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secrets; mysteries; esoterica; hidden purpose

**

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deepest level (of an art, skill, etc.); secret teachings; mysteries; innermost secrets; the secret (of success, etc.)

***

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レベル(reberu) - from english level.

My opinion. S rank given personal/private jutsu.

Databook clearly says:
"When Kakashi uses it, "Chidori" is known as "Raikiri".
"Kakashi's "Chidori" cut lightning...that legend is the origin of the
name "Raikiri"."

 

[SeveN797]

At the beginning I always thought chidori was just a lighting chakra that you're HOLDING in your hand and it's shape is kinda similar to a ball

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While raikiri is covering your entire hand with a lighting chakra and you're doing this more piercing shape with ur hand

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but then again later on Kakashi along with Sasuke are using only this piercing type but Sasuke still calls it chidori.:dunno:

 

[shelke]

Ino tech it's Hiden. Hiden techniques are passed down orally from generation to generation in certain regions or clans. They do not give ranking

Sorry my english bad. What is acquisition level?
My acquaintance translated to me with Japanese into Russian.(I am Ukrainian).
His say "Classification by six levels allows to understand degree of difficulty of Jutsu."
S - Secret(Jap."ougi")* In the highest complexity secret("Gokui-極意")** level***
*

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secrets; mysteries; esoterica; hidden purpose

**

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deepest level (of an art, skill, etc.); secret teachings; mysteries; innermost secrets; the secret (of success, etc.)

***

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レベル(reberu) - from english level.

My opinion. S rank given personal/private jutsu.

Databook clearly says:
"When Kakashi uses it, "Chidori" is known as "Raikiri".
"Kakashi's "Chidori" cut lightning...that legend is the origin of the
name "Raikiri"."

Precisely. It's a hidden Jutsu, not a Hidan. Repped.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Ino tech it's Hiden. Hiden techniques are passed down orally from generation to generation in certain regions or clans. They do not give ranking

Sorry my english bad. What is acquisition level?
My acquaintance translated to me with Japanese into Russian.(I am Ukrainian).
His say "Classification by six levels allows to understand degree of difficulty of Jutsu."
S - Secret(Jap."ougi")* In the highest complexity secret("Gokui-極意")** level***
*

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secrets; mysteries; esoterica; hidden purpose

**

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deepest level (of an art, skill, etc.); secret teachings; mysteries; innermost secrets; the secret (of success, etc.)

***

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レベル(reberu) - from english level.

My opinion. S rank given personal/private jutsu.

Databook clearly says:
"When Kakashi uses it, "Chidori" is known as "Raikiri".
"Kakashi's "Chidori" cut lightning...that legend is the origin of the
name "Raikiri"."

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Shintenshin is C rank. Upper right hand corner. If you have a scan of it being S rank Provide it.


Same goes for u shelke.

 

[AnonymousShinobi]

Raikiri>chidori

One is more refined than the other hence the change in rank.

And where was this ever stated in the manga?

Manga clearly says they are the same jutsu. After Kakashi used chidori to cut lightning, they named it Raikari.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

And where was this ever stated in the manga?

Manga clearly says they are the same jutsu. After Kakashi used chidori to cut lightning, they named it Raikari.

Sees sig. Not suprised.

Reed the thread. Im not repeating what's already been covered.

 

[shelke]

Shintenshin is C rank. Upper right hand corner. If you have a scan of it being S rank Provide it.

Same goes for u shelke.

Did you even bother yourself to read the posts? Properly? What have you presented? Your opinions. Where do they fall? No where. Thanks for your contributions.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Did you even bother yourself the read the posts properly? What have you presented? Oh wait, your opinions. Where do they fall? No where. Thanks for your contributions.

I did. You're using translations from a databook i cannot see. I'm posting facts backed by tangible databooks. Youre posting.... garbage. Not 1 scan came from you despite claiming to have scans. Therefore you have nothing.

Please leave like you came, with your tail between your legs.

 

[shelke]

I did. You're using translations from a databook i cannot see. I'm posting facts backed by tangible databooks. Youre posting.... garbage. Not 1 scan came from you despite claiming to have scans. Therefore you have nothing.

Please leave like you came, with your tail between your legs.

Yeah, and misunderstood them because of those thick blinders. We both know where you stand given that it involves that crutch-less loser. I am not the only one who buried your opinion into the ground as neither the databook nor the manga supports your argument.

Having such high opinions of yourself, must be nice, haha.

P.s: Here is the full Jutsu Classification and Secret is one of them:

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Classification 2
Kekkei Genkei
Kekkei Tōta
Kekkei Mōra
Secret
Sealing Technique
Senjutsu

 

[Sinedd]

2. the databook is not canon; its not even literature. the databook can't overwrite the manga

"Orochimara left the organization 10 years ago" - manga
"Orochimara left the organization 7 years ago" - book
On chronology of Itachi there were 11 years 10 years ago, and he only in 2 years will arrange slaughter.

P.S Very much the relation of some to a book afflicts. That that the book is sometimes not clear, or it merges your arguments not an occasion not to recognize it. The author one, is also written he especially for that to explain the unclear moments. Its Canon

At the beginning I always thought chidori was just a lighting chakra that you're HOLDING in your hand and it's shape is kinda similar to a ball

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While raikiri is covering your entire hand with a lighting chakra and you're doing this more piercing shape with ur hand

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but then again later on Kakashi along with Sasuke are using only this piercing type but Sasuke still calls it chidori.:dunno:

Mistake of animators.
In a manga there are no spheres.
Raikiri and Chidori always covering your entire hand with a lighting chakra

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Shintenshin is C rank. Upper right hand corner. If you have a scan of it being S rank Provide it.


Same goes for u shelke.

Oh, just a simple runs and made a mistake.
I meant to say. S rank jutsu and Hiden jutsu It's not the same.
Hiden jutsu not rank.
Shintenshin it's not hiden. You yourself have given scan. If Hiden put its icon.
As here. Both technicians Hiden also cost a badge Hiden and not rank.

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But!There's always a but!

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Inherited from Master to Disciple
Secret Story of the Creation of Hiden Ninjutsu

“Hiraishin no jutsu”, “Edo Tensei” and so on, regardless of the difficulty in their mastery and operation, stories about these jutsu continue to be handed down for generations to come. Such high-rank ninjutsu were created (invented!) by a certain expert in jutsu-development. It was Nidaime Hokage Senju Tobirama.

As you know these technicians have S rank

Tobirama’s developed jutsu were later inherited by a disciple, a user whose name was rising. Namikaze Minato improved the mastery of “Hiraishin no jutsu”, and thus took the nickname “The Yellow Flash”. The excellent jutsu was refined according to the disciple, who evolved it together with the era. The future of “Kagebunshin no jutsu (Shadow Clone Jutsu)” and “Rasengan” is dependent upon Naruto!?

[picture of Minato]
Minato’s “Rasengan” in due time, to his son…
"Yondaime Hokage…!!! What a coincidence… what fate! A miracle ♪”

Naruto finished and created S rank FRS

But I digressed.
S rank jutsu and Hiden Jutsu It not one and too.
I will repeat. My opinion:
S rank given personal/private jutsu.
S rank jutsu in manga(With your permission part)

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Byakugou no in(Infuin) - User Tsunade and his student sakura. Created ?
Sozo Saise and Byakugou no Jutsu - User Tsunade and his student sakura. Created Tsunade
Akahigi: Hyakki no Sōen - User Sasori. Created Sasori
Kuchiyose: Edo Tensei - User Tobirama, Orochimaru and Kabuto(orochimaru student). Created Tobirama
Bijūdama - User Biju and Jinchurikim, Created ?
Raikiri(chidori which cut a lightning) - User Kakashi, Created Kakashi
Fushi Tensei - User Orochimaru , Created Orochimaru
Shirohigi: Jikki Chikamatsu no Shū - User Chie and monzaemon, Created monzaemon
Kishō Tensei - User Chie, Created Chie
Kirin(chidori which control lightning) - User Sasuke, Created Sasuke

I think you understood at what I drive. These technicians units, on protection or because created owned.


P.S. If doesn't change me memory, rasengan minato(minato vs tobi) and rasengan Naruto(Naruto VS Sasuke) It is more by the size as Odama Rasengan.
Rasengan Konohamaru(Konohamaru vs paine) It is less by the size.
I do not know why I say this. But can someone come across the idea

And with your permission I will leave a subject. I expressed the opinion in a post number 14 (all on a manga and a book), and I have any more no desire to participate in a disskusiya.
If there are questions peep in PM.

 

[super yang]

Yes it is.
The databooks simply explains cannon material in more detail that were unexplained in the manga.

no its not
what the databook ''does'' is create further interest & revenue for a literary work. it is fan memorabilia, nothing more

What ever ranking the databook gives Jutsu's is final, No debate, No discussion is required. The very fact the manga author gave raikiri an S-Rank and chidori an A-Ranked proves that they are indeed not the exact same jutsu with just different names.

of course theres no debate, jutsu rankings & fanciful descriptions of prexisting fictional magic attacks have no relevance to the story & plotline to begin with

they are the exact same jutsu. this is indisputable