[Discussion] Cheating

[Xylon]

no no..after what he did after that...told everyone that this is britanias true nature and blah blah... .

Lelouch made his choices based on the outcomes that are most favored to him and on cases to others as well. Elevens could never be liberated after Yuffie's death unless the Black knights had done it themselves specially after Princess Massacre and her death Britainians would never let Japan free. What Lelouch said was simply a political speech and was meaningless since elevens were thinking the same that Britainians by nature want elevens to die. Even though Lelouch felt guilty for his mistake and by the end of the series caused even greater amount of deaths just to clear Yuffie's stain. Geass is a power, an ability and using your abilities isn't cheating, it was made more clear when Lelouch linked Geass as a request. Thus here we conclude that Lelouch never cheated, he was playing it fair from the very beginning since his father was using the same power he had to use it to make the game fair.

 

[faizan]

That was a JK and not even that bad. Please do not take it negatively when it wasn't intended so.
ok and sorry...


Don't be silly. You are nice and funny. I don't know why did you lose that but, I'm sure you will gain it back with time.
u think so :T_T:


lol.. Looks like Chunin exam first test impressed you too much.

:rofl:

Lelouch made his choices based on the outcomes that are most favored to him and on cases to others as well. Elevens could never be liberated after Yuffie's death unless the Black knights had done it themselves specially after Princess Massacre and her death Britainians would never let Japan free. What Lelouch said was simply a political speech and was meaningless since elevens were thinking the same that Britainians by nature want elevens to die. Even though Lelouch felt guilty for his mistake and by the end of the series caused even greater amount of deaths just to clear Yuffie's stain. Geass is a power, an ability and using your abilities isn't cheating, it was made more clear when Lelouch linked Geass as a request. Thus here we conclude that Lelouch never cheated, he was playing it fair from the very beginning since his father was using the same power he had to use it to make the game fair.

i read till the bolded part cuz didnt completely watched it ....anyways... u win and cheating rocks xdxd

 

[handmade beds]

Cheating is never good no matter what reason you have. If the guy/girl sucks then leave the relationship..better be off single than face misery and be guilty...drat! your digging your own grave dude!xd

 

[Wildtangent]

Cheating is never good no matter what reason you have. If the guy/girl sucks then leave the relationship..better be off single than face misery and be guilty...drat! your digging your own grave dude!xd

I agree some people dont think that way i guess though

 

[faizan]

Cheating is never good no matter what reason you have. If the guy/girl sucks then leave the relationship..better be off single than face misery and be guilty...drat! your digging your own grave dude!xd

were u talking to me O_O

 

[Rihari]

at first i thought you were tlking about an exam paper or something on those lines

but still no matter what cheating is cheating and it is wrong, i dont know why your friends think its okay but its not.

 

[Wildtangent]

at first i thought you were tlking about an exam paper or something on those lines

but still no matter what cheating is cheating and it is wrong, i dont know why your friends think its okay but its not.

I think the reason on why they think its ok is because they have been either cheated on or have cheated. I can tell you that the ones that have actually done the act of cheating I am not happy with-but I digress- the ones that have been cheated on have almost always taken there cheating partner back and I think that if they were to say cheating is bad and unforgivable it would deem (the 'victum' in the relationship) hypocritical. Just an fyi there partners that they have forgiven have cheated more then once and continue to do so. In some cases I believe that it can be forgiven, in some cases- but not many. As it has been stated before some people when they say sorry they really are and do not do whatever it is that they have done again- but others use it as if they have a unlimited number of get out of jail free cards. Which is wrong. But by saying that in some cases it can be forgivable it is still something that should be avoided. in my opinion anyway.

 

[ReLax -]

It's never good to be cheated on I mean people get hurt when a break up happens than it hurts more when the guy/girl moved on and are already seeing someone (after break up) else within the month yet alone finding out the guy/girl have been with someone (cheating on you) while with you.

People who think it's not a big deal are dumb but yet again this generation/society the word love and relationship is just a word. It's only going to become worse from her on out. People are already living in together at young age and getting pregnant guys walking out on the girl or vice versa. It's all about *** sadly.

 

[Phactsmachine]

Well since everyones posting for anti-cheating (probably cause there are "girls" on the forum you need to impress) i will go ahead and play devils advocate. Before you get mad (scrub) i am in a relationship, we live together and i work to support her, so everyone has their own stuff get over it. I love her and we have worked out our own relationship so here goes my DA's 2 cents:

1. Its only cheating if you get caught, just like speeding the law only applies when their is someone to enforce it.
2. Cheating implies breaking a set of rules. Obviously you are all assuming that the rules for a relationship are crisp and clear but in reality everyone is just humans and relationships are even more stringent based on that fact. For a relationship you should clearly define what the "rules" are with you partner, if you fail to mention that flirtation or even *** with another person is NOT ok then they are not technically cheating for there was no rule to be broken.
3. To simply define cheating in black and white terms is silly, again do to your own humanity. You say I cheat if i have *** with a girl that is not my girlfriend. What about threesomes, swaps, 2 guys 1 girl? all of these are sexually deviant acts that a fairly large part of the population participates in. Dont believe me, check craigslist, hell even google swinger clubs i bet there is 1 by you. As a couple the most important thing is to understand what you expect from each other. In my opinion a relationship is something i have with someone who i want to give the world to, and as such, occasionally deviant desires arise from either side. Commonly people ignore these feelings and it results in what many call "cheating". In my DA's opinion if you are not comfortable with who your partner is, even sexually, then you are the one cheating yourself.

 

[Blaqreign]

Cheating is for men and women who want their cake and eat it too, if you cant commit to one person then stay single then your doing no harm to anyone. Emotions are involved and thats not fair. There IS NO excuse for cheating, if the relationship is that bad then leave the person and go on ith your life, do what u want.

 

[Phactsmachine]

Cheating is for men and women who want their cake and eat it too, if you cant commit to one person then stay single then your doing no harm to anyone. Emotions are involved and thats not fair. There IS NO excuse for cheating, if the relationship is that bad then leave the person and go on ith your life, do what u want.

Again Devils Advocate for increased enlightenment in a situation. Staying single causes as much harm to anyone as cheating. Biologically women sleep with men in the hopes of getting impregnated and fostering a child. Its what your body tells you to do, hints why you have a period each month. Men are programmed on the guidelines of you should impregnate all worthy females as quickly as possible to propagate and spread your species. As my girlfriend has pointed out this opens a whole conversation about morals because you are a human and have a brain, but essentially what this post is ment to say is this. Whenever men and women have sexual intercourse its due to your biological attraction saying that this person has good genes and you would create a strong human with them.

My girlfriend just pwnd my post and its worth writing about especially cause it adds to my post count. Girls cheat because they are not getting enough nourishment from their partner, whether it be affection, loving, emotional stability, whatever. Men cheat because they are subject to "old cow syndrome". Once a man has "serviced" a woman their body tells them to move on, to service more cows. Unfortunately in modern society we have evolved relationships to the point where men are berated for trying to do what they have always been doing...keeping the species going. basically it is an animal thing. no matter how monogamy oriented a person is,,,they are still biologically programmed. what little control we have has to do with the morals we have. now that,,,is up to the human. not so much the cheating.

 

[Wildtangent]

Well since everyones posting for anti-cheating (probably cause there are "girls" on the forum you need to impress) i will go ahead and play devils advocate. Before you get mad (scrub) i am in a relationship, we live together and i work to support her, so everyone has their own stuff get over it. I love her and we have worked out our own relationship so here goes my DA's 2 cents:

1. Its only cheating if you get caught, just like speeding the law only applies when their is someone to enforce it.
2. Cheating implies breaking a set of rules. Obviously you are all assuming that the rules for a relationship are crisp and clear but in reality everyone is just humans and relationships are even more stringent based on that fact. For a relationship you should clearly define what the "rules" are with you partner, if you fail to mention that flirtation or even *** with another person is NOT ok then they are not technically cheating for there was no rule to be broken.
3. To simply define cheating in black and white terms is silly, again do to your own humanity. You say I cheat if i have *** with a girl that is not my girlfriend. What about threesomes, swaps, 2 guys 1 girl? all of these are sexually deviant acts that a fairly large part of the population participates in. Dont believe me, check craigslist, hell even google swinger clubs i bet there is 1 by you. As a couple the most important thing is to understand what you expect from each other. In my opinion a relationship is something i have with someone who i want to give the world to, and as such, occasionally deviant desires arise from either side. Commonly people ignore these feelings and it results in what many call "cheating". In my DA's opinion if you are not comfortable with who your partner is, even sexually, then you are the one cheating yourself.

Again Devils Advocate for increased enlightenment in a situation. Staying single causes as much harm to anyone as cheating. Biologically women sleep with men in the hopes of getting impregnated and fostering a child. Its what your body tells you to do, hints why you have a period each month. Men are programmed on the guidelines of you should impregnate all worthy females as quickly as possible to propagate and spread your species. As my girlfriend has pointed out this opens a whole conversation about morals because you are a human and have a brain, but essentially what this post is ment to say is this. Whenever men and women have sexual intercourse its due to your biological attraction saying that this person has good genes and you would create a strong human with them.

My girlfriend just pwnd my post and its worth writing about especially cause it adds to my post count. Girls cheat because they are not getting enough nourishment from their partner, whether it be affection, loving, emotional stability, whatever. Men cheat because they are subject to "old cow syndrome". Once a man has "serviced" a woman their body tells them to move on, to service more cows. Unfortunately in modern society we have evolved relationships to the point where men are berated for trying to do what they have always been doing...keeping the species going. basically it is an animal thing. no matter how monogamy oriented a person is,,,they are still biologically programmed. what little control we have has to do with the morals we have. now that,,,is up to the human. not so much the cheating.

I dont agree with you. I could responed with a couple of paragraphs but I dont feel like writting it or trying to explain what I want too. So all I'm going to say is I dont agree with you U_U

 

[Avani]

Well since everyones posting for anti-cheating (probably cause there are "girls" on the forum you need to impress) i will go ahead and play devils advocate. Before you get mad (scrub) i am in a relationship, we live together and i work to support her, so everyone has their own stuff get over it. I love her and we have worked out our own relationship so here goes my DA's 2 cents:

1. Its only cheating if you get caught, just like speeding the law only applies when their is someone to enforce it.
2. Cheating implies breaking a set of rules. Obviously you are all assuming that the rules for a relationship are crisp and clear but in reality everyone is just humans and relationships are even more stringent based on that fact. For a relationship you should clearly define what the "rules" are with you partner, if you fail to mention that flirtation or even *** with another person is NOT ok then they are not technically cheating for there was no rule to be broken.
3. To simply define cheating in black and white terms is silly, again do to your own humanity. You say I cheat if i have *** with a girl that is not my girlfriend. What about threesomes, swaps, 2 guys 1 girl? all of these are sexually deviant acts that a fairly large part of the population participates in. Dont believe me, check craigslist, hell even google swinger clubs i bet there is 1 by you. As a couple the most important thing is to understand what you expect from each other. In my opinion a relationship is something i have with someone who i want to give the world to, and as such, occasionally deviant desires arise from either side. Commonly people ignore these feelings and it results in what many call "cheating". In my DA's opinion if you are not comfortable with who your partner is, even sexually, then you are the one cheating yourself.

Again Devils Advocate for increased enlightenment in a situation. Staying single causes as much harm to anyone as cheating. Biologically women sleep with men in the hopes of getting impregnated and fostering a child. Its what your body tells you to do, hints why you have a period each month. Men are programmed on the guidelines of you should impregnate all worthy females as quickly as possible to propagate and spread your species. As my girlfriend has pointed out this opens a whole conversation about morals because you are a human and have a brain, but essentially what this post is ment to say is this. Whenever men and women have sexual intercourse its due to your biological attraction saying that this person has good genes and you would create a strong human with them.

My girlfriend just pwnd my post and its worth writing about especially cause it adds to my post count. Girls cheat because they are not getting enough nourishment from their partner, whether it be affection, loving, emotional stability, whatever. Men cheat because they are subject to "old cow syndrome". Once a man has "serviced" a woman their body tells them to move on, to service more cows. Unfortunately in modern society we have evolved relationships to the point where men are berated for trying to do what they have always been doing...keeping the species going. basically it is an animal thing. no matter how monogamy oriented a person is,,,they are still biologically programmed. what little control we have has to do with the morals we have. now that,,,is up to the human. not so much the cheating.

For me a cheat means a person who acts dishonestly and deceives and as we are talking about relationships it fits perfectly.

I won't discuss the partner swapping or groups *** here- that doesn't count whatever personal views anyone has about the morality of it ( that's entirely a separate discussion) as long as everyone involve in it knows what they bargained for and entering in to and did because of their own free will. Not because their partner's underlying threat that if they didn't say yes they would be left alone.. or worse.

Under normal relations when your partner starts searching craiglist in front of you - claiming just for fun and that they are "just looking"- it's time to be on red alert.

There is a difference between human and animals- animals walk on four legs - his brain, stomach and reproductive organs are more or less parrallel to each other. Humans walk on two- when we stand our brains are on top, then the heart , then stomach and then comes the reproductive organs- better learn to give prioritites in the same order.

 

[Phactsmachine]

For me a cheat means a person who acts dishonestly and deceives and as we are talking about relationships it fits perfectly.

I won't discuss the partner swapping or groups *** here- that doesn't count whatever personal views anyone has about the morality of it ( that's entirely a separate discussion) as long as everyone involve in it knows what they bargained for and entering in to and did because of their own free will. Not because their partner's underlying threat that if they didn't say yes they would be left alone.. or worse.

Under normal relations when your partner starts searching craiglist in front of you - claiming just for fun and that they are "just looking"- it's time to be on red alert.

There is a difference between human and animals- animals walk on four legs - his brain, stomach and reproductive organs are more or less parrallel to each other. Humans walk on two- when we stand our brains are on top, then the heart , then stomach and then comes the reproductive organs- better learn to give prioritites in the same order.

Well it wont let me quote you both so i will handle it one at a time, first off i respect your opinion to disagree however without the ability to support your own thesis you really shouldn't have said anything in the first place. You had already made your argument and i made a strong counter point to which your reply was nothing... Person 2... Humans are not the only animal that walks on 2 legs, in fact many species are bipedal such as all birds, members of the primate family such as monkeys and lemurs, and kangaroos. They all "walk on 2 legs".

Amazingly enough this does not help them become monogamous, in fact monkeys are infamous polygamists. You are actually making the assumption that due to your brain being higher off the earth than your genitals, one has more influence than the other. Obviously this statement is erroneous, the human body is a complex organism that can not function as individual pieces but rather as a whole. Without your circulatory system your brain would die, without your brain your heart would stop, without your genitals you would not exist for their would be no future generation.

That being said, you completely skipped the valid part of my argument where i ascertained that cheating can only exist when you are breaking a set of rules. Dishonesty only occurs if there is honesty to be had, like ying and yang one cannot exist without the other. Obviously my role as devils advocate does not support my personal theories so belittling my argument on the stance that you disagree with me really has no ground. I was simply giving you a strong counter point to your frail argument; because without knowing one side how could you be so sure of the other. (submitted with help from my loving girlfriend <3)

 

[deidara senpai]

cheating is terrible never happened to me and hopefully never will

 

[Phactsmachine]

cheating is terrible never happened to me and hopefully never will

just terrible, the worst, its like getting shot in the penis, except worse.:flaw:

 

[Avani]

Well it wont let me quote you both so i will handle it one at a time, first off i respect your opinion to disagree however without the ability to support your own thesis you really shouldn't have said anything in the first place. You had already made your argument and i made a strong counter point to which your reply was nothing...

Your counter point is non existent - since you fail to understand the meaning of cheating and keep getting it mixed up with other issues like group *** and partner swapping and what not.

Person 2... Humans are not the only animal that walks on 2 legs, in fact many species are bipedal such as all birds, members of the primate family such as monkeys and lemurs, and kangaroos. They all "walk on 2 legs".

Amazingly enough this does not help them become monogamous, in fact monkeys are infamous polygamists. You are actually making the assumption that due to your brain being higher off the earth than your genitals, one has more influence than the other. Obviously this statement is erroneous, the human body is a complex organism that can not function as individual pieces but rather as a whole. Without your circulatory system your brain would die, without your brain your heart would stop, without your genitals you would not exist for their would be no future generation.

That was a figure of speech whether you understood the zist of it or not- Save the ridiculous nitpicking, which is really neither here nor there.

That being said, you completely skipped the valid part of my argument where i ascertained that cheating can only exist when you are breaking a set of rules.

What valid point? You keep saying valid point when there was none. I already detailed the definition of a cheat inmy reply to you and bolded it for your convineience and still you claim to that it was skipped. Do you think your repeating it will make it true somehow?

I think you are trying to cheat your way out right now. U_U

Dishonesty only occurs if there is honesty to be had, like ying and yang one cannot exist without the other. Obviously my role as devils advocate does not support my personal theories so belittling my argument on the stance that you disagree with me really has no ground. I was simply giving you a strong counter point to your frail argument; because without knowing one side how could you be so sure of the other. (submitted with help from my loving girlfriend <3)

Neither I not the person 1 belittled you earlier . I cannot make any sense of rest of you GF(?) and your post in this part.

 

[Wildtangent]

Well it wont let me quote you both so i will handle it one at a time, first off i respect your opinion to disagree however without the ability to support your own thesis you really shouldn't have said anything in the first place. You had already made your argument and i made a strong counter point to which your reply was nothing... Person 2... Humans are not the only animal that walks on 2 legs, in fact many species are bipedal such as all birds, members of the primate family such as monkeys and lemurs, and kangaroos. They all "walk on 2 legs".

Amazingly enough this does not help them become monogamous, in fact monkeys are infamous polygamists. You are actually making the assumption that due to your brain being higher off the earth than your genitals, one has more influence than the other. Obviously this statement is erroneous, the human body is a complex organism that can not function as individual pieces but rather as a whole. Without your circulatory system your brain would die, without your brain your heart would stop, without your genitals you would not exist for their would be no future generation.

That being said, you completely skipped the valid part of my argument where i ascertained that cheating can only exist when you are breaking a set of rules. Dishonesty only occurs if there is honesty to be had, like ying and yang one cannot exist without the other. Obviously my role as devils advocate does not support my personal theories so belittling my argument on the stance that you disagree with me really has no ground. I was simply giving you a strong counter point to your frail argument; because without knowing one side how could you be so sure of the other. (submitted with help from my loving girlfriend <3)

It's called picking and choosing your battles but here is my support for my 'thesis' (I feel like Im in my english lit class once again...)

If you love/care for someone what is the point of cheating- Just so you can have a new cereal the next morning? Or is it that you really dont love/care for them like you say you do. if a man or women has the desire to cheat then that person needs to end the relationship right where it stands. Yes someone will get hurt- but at least you are showing some respect for that person. In all honesty I dont give a crap for the reasons on why someone would cheat simply because they shouldn't cheat and there is no reason that makes me feel like cheating is ok. I feel sorry for the man/women that doesnt have the cahunnas to say "hey I dont have feelings for you anymore."(obviously worded differently) but instead goes behind that persons back.

In the case that a man/women just wants 'the best of both words.' I have no respect for them. Emotions are not a play thing. But as stated before me if a person enters into a type of relationship knowing that it entails sleeping with other people then none of this applies- because of the simple fact that they know there partner will be having *** with other people; in which case in these types of relationships I no longer consider it cheating.

Amazingly enough this does not help them become monogamous, in fact monkeys are infamous polygamists. You are actually making the assumption that due to your brain being higher off the earth than your genitals, one has more influence than the other. Obviously this statement is erroneous, the human body is a complex organism that can not function as individual pieces but rather as a whole. Without your circulatory system your brain would die, without your brain your heart would stop, without your genitals you would not exist for their would be no future generation.

it was a figure of speech if you didnt get it he/she means that because of how 'complex' we are we should be able to think with our brains before we think with whats between our legs.

I was simply giving you a strong counter point to your frail argument; because without knowing one side how could you be so sure of the other. (submitted with help from my loving girlfriend <3)[/

In this case why would you want someone to 'know' the other side? I have been cheated on and it doesnt feel good. Nor would I encourage someone to cheat on another just so they can 'know' the other side. I'm not saying what your saying is encouraging it I'm just stating that there are somethings people are better off not experiencing. (dont go off saying people should experience cheating so they know both sides- its not a good argument and as I stated before peoples feelings are not play things) and I'm glad to see your gf helps you fight your battles- unless your just posting that for the "hey look what I put sweetie." moment in that case awww... (sorry if thats mean but I dont really care if your gf or Gandhi helped you write it- it doesnt make me agree with you anymore or less) U_U

 

[Avani]

In this case why would you want someone to 'know' the other side? I have been cheated on and it doesnt feel good. Nor would I encourage someone to cheat on another just so they can 'know' the other side. I'm not saying what your saying is encouraging it I'm just stating that there are somethings people are better off not experiencing. (dont go off saying people should experience cheating so they know both sides- its not a good argument and as I stated before peoples feelings are not play things) and I'm glad to see your gf helps you fight your battles- unless your just posting that for the "hey look what I put sweetie." moment in that case awww... (sorry if thats mean but I dont really care if your gf or Gandhi helped you write it- it doesnt make me agree with you anymore or less) U_U

Well anyone who is looking for GF on CRAIGLIST Cough* and can't really differentiate wheather it's cheating or not when his partner's consent is given or implied ... I think should be left alone to solve his own issues first.

 

[Wildtangent]

Well anyone who is looking for GF on CRAIGLIST Cough* and can't really differentiate wheather it's cheating or not when his partner's consent is given or implied ... I think should be left alone to solve his own issues first.

I guess you have a point lol