Character Analysis | Databook Prediction | Tobirama

[Penguin]

Great analyzation. I only have one complaint, and that's how you claimed that Tobirama was the only one who could perform a pressurized water jet technique. Both Fukusaku and Sasori have been shown to do that. And no, it wasn't Fukusaku's tongue. The manga shows water droplets and plus, Kishi wouldn't let the anime people interpret it wrongly.

The Databook says Fukasaku's tongue. Those droplets are saliva. Sasori's water jets are filler by the way.

Fighting Tongue* Slash (舌戦斬, Zessenzan)
Ninjutsu, Senjutsu, No rank, Offensive, All ranges
User: Fukasaku

If one has a tongue, one is ready to bisect
The flavour of that slash is like a battle axe!!

By kneading senjutsu chakra, Fukasaku's long tongue gains utmost solidity and a slash flavoured like an excellent sword. It then leaps from his mouth with great speed, even tearing a hole in the bedrock. With that ground-splitting power, the enemy is cut in half

↓Fukasaku's tongue flies at the target with tremendous force.
[picture of Fukasaku shooting out his tongue]

[picture of Pain's chameleon summon being cut in half]
→The way the both the enemy and the ground itself are cut apart is reminiscent of the strike of a great sword.

 

[shelke]

That was a good read. I am not a huge fan of his personality and you didn't write any character analysis, despite your Thread Heading alluding to this. The ability dissection was pretty good.

Ninjutsu: 5
Taijutsu: 5
Genjutsu: 3.5-4
Intelligence:5
Strength: 4-5
Speed: 5
Stamina: 5
Hand Seals:4-5

There are small disagreements here and there, but I don't particularly agree with the scoring. 5 in Ninjutsu seems a bit of a stretch for me, given that he hasn't shown many techniques. I would give him a 4 - 4.5 here. Genjutsu is a vast stretch. Given that he has shown literally nothing in this department - Mind you, Hashirama has in Part I. So giving him a 3.5 - 4 here seems far too generous on your part.

Orochimaru's example is a bit of a cop-out, as Sharingan is a special case, given that it's meant to read and see through Ninjutsu, Taijutsu - no one without a Sharingan can accomplish that:

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- It allows the ability to read and defeat all types of Ninjutsu, Taijutsu, and Genjutsu – Stealth, Body, and illusion. Which is why the techniques can be copied once you see them. I would allot him a 2.5 - 3 here at the maximum. Hand seals should be at 4 and strength should be dead-locked at 3.5 - 4 when he haven't seen any strength feats from this guy.

The rest on Speed, Intelligence, and Taijutsu are dead on. + Rep

 

[Penguin]

That was a good read. I am not a huge fan of his personality and you didn't write any character analysis, despite your Thread Heading alluding to this. The ability dissection was pretty good.



There are small disagreements here and there, but I don't particularly agree with the scoring. 5 in Ninjutsu seems a bit of a stretch for me, given that he hasn't shown many techniques. I would give him a 4 - 4.5 here. Genjutsu is a vast stretch. Given that he has shown literally nothing in this department - Mind you, Hashirama has in Part I. So giving him a 3.5 - 4 here seems far too generous on your part.

Orochimaru's example is a bit of a cop-out, as Sharingan is a special case, given that it's meant to read and see through Ninjutsu, Taijutsu - no one without a Sharingan can accomplish that:

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- It allows the ability to read and defeat all types of Ninjutsu, Taijutsu, and Genjutsu – Stealth, Body, and illusion. Which is why the techniques can be copied once you see them. I would allot him a 2.5 - 3 here at the maximum. Hand seals should be at 4 and strength should be dead-locked at 3.5 - 4 when he haven't seen any strength feats from this guy.

The rest on Speed, Intelligence, and Taijutsu are dead on. + Rep

Thank you Shelke. I put ninjutsu as a five since he was renown for his water style and he used that barrier against Obito. I put his genjutsu like that due to his genjutsu defense, but that is an assumption by me, so I see where you are coming from.

I forgot about the analysis part I guess. xD

 

[shelke]

^ Just write the character analysis and update it whenever you have time.

 

[Penguin]

^ Just write the character analysis and update it whenever you have time.

Good idea. I hope it is editable in a couple days. z.z

 

[Gold Lightning]

That was a good read. I am not a huge fan of his personality and you didn't write any character analysis, despite your Thread Heading alluding to this. The ability dissection was pretty good.



There are small disagreements here and there, but I don't particularly agree with the scoring. 5 in Ninjutsu seems a bit of a stretch for me, given that he hasn't shown many techniques. I would give him a 4 - 4.5 here. Genjutsu is a vast stretch. Given that he has shown literally nothing in this department - Mind you, Hashirama has in Part I. So giving him a 3.5 - 4 here seems far too generous on your part.

Orochimaru's example is a bit of a cop-out, as Sharingan is a special case, given that it's meant to read and see through Ninjutsu, Taijutsu - no one without a Sharingan can accomplish that:

You must be registered for see links

- It allows the ability to read and defeat all types of Ninjutsu, Taijutsu, and Genjutsu – Stealth, Body, and illusion. Which is why the techniques can be copied once you see them. I would allot him a 2.5 - 3 here at the maximum. Hand seals should be at 4 and strength should be dead-locked at 3.5 - 4 when he haven't seen any strength feats from this guy.

The rest on Speed, Intelligence, and Taijutsu are dead on. + Rep

Tobirama is an inventor of incredible ninjutsu, the shadow clone jutsu is used across the entire ninja world, Edo Tensei is properly the greatest forbidden jutsu there is, before Naruto entered the war, ET was soloing it. And he created FTG, a space time ninjutsu... How many ninja can use s/t ninjutsu, let alone create one? Tobirama also uses high level water techniques with single hand signs and highly pressurised water capable of cutting trees. Since when was it about quantity and not about quality... If anything, Tobirama has a 10 I'm ninjutsu.

Can you show me Anko and Shizune's genjutsu feats? Because they both got a 4 in the data book. Or better yet show me Genma's genjutsu feats because even he has a 3. How is someone as knowledgable and Kage level like Tobirama gonna be low in that department. A 3.5 is very much reasonable, he doesn't need feats for this, he was the second Hokage.

 

[Beans2]

The Databook says Fukasaku's tongue. Those droplets are saliva. Sasori's water jets are filler by the way.

Were Sasori's water jets really filler? I really wish they wouldn't mix filler with canon, it's not easy to tell the difference

 

[Penguin]

Were Sasori's water jets really filler? I really wish they wouldn't mix filler with canon, it's not easy to tell the difference

I think it was filler, but that is just what I hear.

 

[shelke]

Tobirama is an inventor of incredible ninjutsu, the shadow clone jutsu is used across the entire ninja world, Edo Tensei is properly the greatest forbidden jutsu there is, before Naruto entered the war, ET was soloing it. And he created FTG, a space time ninjutsu... How many ninja can use s/t ninjutsu, let alone create one? Tobirama also uses high level water techniques with single hand signs and highly pressurised water capable of cutting trees. Since when was it about quantity and not about quality... If anything, Tobirama has a 10 I'm ninjutsu.

Can you show me Anko and Shizune's genjutsu feats? Because they both got a 4 in the data book. Or better yet show me Genma's genjutsu feats because even he has a 3. How is someone as knowledgable and Kage level like Tobirama gonna be low in that department. A 3.5 is very much reasonable, he doesn't need feats for this, he was the second Hokage.

Both ET and FTG have received improvements. Creating something doesn't grant mastery over it. Two different things. In fact, ET has received vast improvement over the original. We don't even know how ETs' used to behave when Tobirama used them. This is why I haven't given him a 5. All this goes to intelligence. Where he deserves a 5, no doubt.

As for the genjutsu, then I don't know how they have it. Anko seems reasonable, as given that she was Orochaimaru's student, she must have learned few herself from her him. Shizune is the odd-ball here. Anyhow, my points still stand in this regard.

 

[Gold Lightning]

Both ET and FTG have received improvements. Creating something doesn't grant mastery over it. Two different things. In fact, ET has received vast improvement over the original. We don't even know how ETs' used to behave when Tobirama used them. This is why I haven't given him a 5. All this goes to intelligence. Where he deserves a 5, no doubt.

As for the genjutsu, then I don't know how they have it. Anko seems reasonable, as given that she was Orochaimaru's student, she must have learned few herself from her him. Shizune is the odd-ball here. Anyhow, my points still stand in this regard.

Doesn't matter if they were improved, the point is that he made them from scratch, meaning he has vast knowledge on the mechanics of ninjutsu. But if that's not enough, his mastery over Water style techniques is enough to give him a 5. Tsunade is a master at medical ninjutsu and she was given a 5 in that department, are you telling me Tsunade has better ninjutsu that Tobirama? Again, space time ninjutsu are rare, to be able to use one let alone invent one suggests you're exceptional at ninjutsu. Now you're saying Anko is reasonable because she learned from orochimaru who doesn't even have genjutsu feats himself. What kind of baseless assumption is that? Then you have no explanation to Shizune's, maybe because not everything needs an explanation, it's common sense that a Hokage of Tobiramas caliber is first class when it comes to ninjutsu. There isn't one Hokage who shouldn't have a 5 in ninjutsu.

I can continue listing examples from the data book all day of ninja who don't need feats or quantity to have a certain stat in a certain area.

 

[shelke]

Doesn't matter if they were improved, the point is that he made them from scratch, meaning he has vast knowledge on the mechanics of ninjutsu. But if that's not enough, his mastery over Water style techniques is enough to give him a 5. Tsunade is a master at medical ninjutsu and she was given a 5 in that department, are you telling me Tsunade has better ninjutsu that Tobirama? Again, space time ninjutsu are rare, to be able to use one let alone invent one suggests you're exceptional at ninjutsu. Now you're saying Anko is reasonable because she learned from orochimaru who doesn't even have genjutsu feats himself. What kind of baseless assumption is that? Then you have no explanation to Shizune's, maybe because not everything needs an explanation, it's common sense that a Hokage of Tobiramas caliber is first class when it comes to ninjutsu. There isn't one Hokage who shouldn't have a 5 in ninjutsu.

I can continue listing examples from the data book all day of ninja who don't need feats or quantity to have a certain stat in a certain area.

Tsunade should have 5 in Ninjutsu compared to most, as Medical Ninjutsu requires incredible Chakra Control. Her Immortality Technique is the pinnacle of Chakra control, so is her use of Chakra enhanced strength through Chakra Seal. I am not sure how is this even relevant. It sounds as if you are trying to put Tsunade down for no reason at all.

The rest of them are your opinions. Orochimaru used to be a member of Root and did many dirty deeds for Danzo. That also gives him leverage in Genjutsu department, as Sai also knew many forbidden seals that no one else outside Root knew.

Given the time, Tobirama was appointed by Hashirama, so that part of your post is irrelevant that just because he is a Hokage, he passes the merits when there were no merits in place. This is my last reply. I given my opinions and that's all from my end.

 

[Gold Lightning]

Tsunade should have 5 in Ninjutsu compared to most, as Medical Ninjutsu requires incredible Chakra Control. Her Immortality Technique is the pinnacle of Chakra control, so is her use of Chakra enhanced strength through Chakra Seal. I am not sure how is this even relevant. It sounds as if you are trying to put Tsunade down for no reason at all.

The rest of them are your opinions. Orochimaru used to be a member of Root and did many dirty deeds for Danzo. That also gives him leverage in Genjutsu department, as Sai also knew many forbidden seals that no one else outside Root knew.

Given the time, Tobirama was appointed by Hashirama, so that part of your post is irrelevant that just because he is a Hokage, he passes the merits when there were no merits in place. This is my last reply. I given my opinions and that's all from my end.

I was praising Tsunade , not putting her down.

Again you're just making assumptions, where does it say Hashirama appointed Tobirama, and you're guessing that just because orochimaru was in root he uses genjutsu, lol do you actually know anything?

Like I already said, Tobirama uses space time ninjutsu which is one of the most complex jutsu for anyone to use, hence why so few people can do it. Yet we have thousands of medical ninjas. Mastery of water jutsu, being able to revive the dead. Doesn't get more straight forward than that. Another example that craps on your logic is how Gaara has a 5 in ninjutsu but only uses sand. Do you know why that is, it's because he's a Kage and he has mastery over sand. Nothing to do with quantity or variety.

 

[Penguin]

Both of you make good points. ^^

 

[Murasame]

Piss poor analysis

 

[Europa]

Piss poor analysis

Y so mean?

 

[Penguin]

Piss poor analysis

That hurt my feelings. ;__;

 

[Murasame]

Y so mean?

You should be with me since you are a pisame fan.

That hurt my feelings. ;__;

I dun care bro u_u

 

[Penguin]

No Pisame in this thread. Bad. Bad boy.

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

I am with him for I am Kisame fan.

 

[Europa]

I am with him for I am Kisame fan.

I am too .