Character Analysis | Databook Prediction | Tobirama

[Joker]

You're talking about oros genjutsu stats. If it's a 5, that means kishi knows oro has great knowledge in genjutsu but he just didn't show them because they weren't relevant. Kishi doesn't need to provide proof or feats to justify his databook scores, he knows more than we know.

If he didn't justify his databook scores, wouldn't their be tons of contradictions throughout the Manga..? I mean, Hiruzen was said to be superior to all other Hokage, yet he's shown little feats to justify that, do you consider it cannon..?

 

[Penguin]

Oh that page. I only added feats. Not hype. xD

Well, mostly feats.

 

[Gold Lightning]

If he didn't justify his databook scores, wouldn't their be tons of contradictions throughout the Manga..? I mean, Hiruzen was said to be superior to all other Hokage, yet he's shown little feats to justify that, do you consider it cannon..?

Are you sure it wasn't "Kage", not "Hokage" because I don't remember that.

So you want kishi to add in a little feat for every single ninja in the series just so their stats are justified? If kishi did that then we'd be over a thousand chapters now and the story would have become pathetic and tedious to read. Kishi has reason behind them, but he doesn't need to explain all of them to us, he just knows, some are even just common sense.

 

[Joker]

Are you sure it wasn't "Kage", not "Hokage" because I don't remember that.

So you want kishi to add in a little feat for every single ninja in the series just so their stats are justified? If kishi did that then we'd be over a thousand chapters now and the story would have become pathetic and tedious to read. Kishi has reason behind them, but he doesn't need to explain all of them to us, he just knows, some are even just common sense.

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I'm not saying that he needs to do it for every single character, he needs to justify it when he exaggerates, plus, not justifying your work is a little bit sloppy, that's like me saying Orochimaru craps on Countries (which was stated), yet he hasn't shown feats to do so, at all, is it believable..? Blindly believing in what the writer puts in front of your face is naive, you should question somethings and ask for an explanation.

 

[Zexion~]

lmao fanboy stats, no way is he above Itachis

 

[KingHashirama]

Oh that page. I only added feats. Not hype. xD

Well, mostly feats.

But is it not Tobirama's feats with his skills, that lead Madara to say that they were on that level?

I think you guys confuse on-page feats as the only feats. While ignoring feats that happen off-page.

If he didn't justify his databook scores, wouldn't their be tons of contradictions throughout the Manga..? I mean, Hiruzen was said to be superior to all other Hokage, yet he's shown little feats to justify that, do you consider it cannon..?

I never recall Kishimoto stating once Hiruzen was superior to all other Hokage. What i do recall Kishimoto doing is, taking what he wrote in the first databook, and excluding it from the 3rd databook. Also, Kishimoto doesn't go out of the storyline, meaning he will limit the information that is limited to the readers knowledge, but will add some stuff on the side, that has nothing to do with the main storyline and characters. What Kishimoto put in the databook about Hiruzen, was "Said to be" and in the manga it was always "Said to be". And was never a serious claim, but came off as a joke.

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[Penguin]

lmao fanboy stats, no way is he above Itachis

Why not? Just because someone has better stats by no means insinuates that the higher stat total would win. Plus Tobirama is stronger than Itachi.

 

[WolfHaley]

And i was about to make a reply, yet you delete it. You're afraid of me.



Exactly. By that reasoning, Databook would become unreliable.

Not really, it just shows you that the Databooklet marks people on account if the peers, i.e, kid Neji is fast for a genin, or how Hiruzen has amazing Genjutsu for an adult.

 

[Joker]

Why not? Just because someone has better stats by no means insinuates that the higher stat total would win. Plus Tobirama is stronger than Itachi.

No, stop it, this'll only attract more fans, then this thread'll get closed.

 

[Gold Lightning]

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I'm not saying that he needs to do it for every single character, he needs to justify it when he exaggerates, plus, not justifying your work is a little bit sloppy, that's like me saying Orochimaru craps on Countries (which was stated), yet he hasn't shown feats to do so, at all, is it believable..? Blindly believing in what the writer puts in front of your face is naive, you should question somethings and ask for an explanation.

"In his prime" are the keywords here. In Hiruzen's prime Hashirama and Tobirama were dead. There is nothing in that scan that uses the word "Hokage". Yes Orochimaru can crap on countries, depending how strong the people in that country are. If it's a country full of fodder or weak ninja's then of course Orochimaru will crap on them.

If the author needs to justify so many things like this for the reader to understand then I'm sorry to say but this manga is not for you. Kishi doesn't need to spoon feed me for me to use my common sense.

 

[Joker]

"In his prime" are the keywords here. In Hiruzen's prime Hashirama and Tobirama were dead. There is nothing in that scan that uses the word "Hokage". Yes Orochimaru can crap on countries, depending how strong the people in that country are. If it's a country full of fodder or weak ninja's then of course Orochimaru will crap on them.

If the author needs to justify so many things like this for the reader to understand then I'm sorry to say but this manga is not for you. Kishi doesn't need to spoon feed me for me to use my common sense.

"Hiruzen was stated to be the strongest one among them all"
Then it shows his HOkage statue, not tell me, is that not an implication that he's stronger than all the other Hokage...? Plus, he was even hailed as God of Shinobi, I guess it's all about interpretation I suppose...
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I said you should question some things, I never said it'd need to be spoon fed to me, you can't sit here and say that Kishimoto doesn't need to justify the things he decides to put in the manga, and expect us to either "get it," or to blindly follow along, that's BS (in my opinion), things need to be explained, saying the manga isn't for them is kind of right, but you can't say they don't deserve justification.
Sound argument on the Orochimaru matter though, props.

 

[Zexion~]

Why not? Just because someone has better stats by no means insinuates that the higher stat total would win. Plus Tobirama is stronger than Itachi.

Because all of his base shits is Edo, based on feats, so we have no idea how actually good his stamina and what not is

 

[WolfHaley]

Like it applies to a Senju, Isaac. Especially Tobirama - who fought for a whole day.

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Hiruzen's hype and prime makes all the lesser fanbases jelly. Their anuses collectively dye with a tinge of vermilion at the thought of his greatness.

 

[Penguin]

Because all of his base shits is Edo, based on feats, so we have no idea how actually good his stamina and what not is

He fought for twenty four hours, teleported two Kurama avatars, managed to crack a wall when it took Hiruzen and Orochimaru to do so, and it is confirmed Tobirama has more chakra than Hiruzen. u.u

 

[startup97]

Agreed. Tobirama is top 10 material. Make one for Hiruzen.

 

[Bronze]

Not really, it just shows you that the Databooklet marks people on account if the peers, i.e, kid Neji is fast for a genin, or how Hiruzen has amazing Genjutsu for an adult.

Yet he has no feats for Genjutsu.

 

[Joker]

He fought for twenty four hours, teleported two Kurama avatars, managed to crack a wall when it took Hiruzen and Orochimaru to do so, and it is confirmed Tobirama has more chakra than Hiruzen. u.u

Orochimaru wasn't really serious, plus Hiruzen's chakra levels were horrible, you shouldn't keep using that Penguin.. v_v
His twenty-four hour fight, he was be backed up by the strongest clan during that era.. v_v
Everything else is solid doe.. v_v

 

[Penguin]

Orochimaru wasn't really serious, plus Hiruzen's chakra levels were horrible, you shouldn't keep using that Penguin.. v_v
His twenty-four hour fight, he was be backed up by the strongest clan during that era.. v_v
Everything else is solid doe.. v_v

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as their is a vein popping from his head. He and Hiruzen exerted their chakra and cracked the roof. u.u

Still, this ensures he can last through one fight which some think he cannot.

 

[KingHashirama]

He fought for twenty four hours, teleported two Kurama avatars, managed to crack a wall when it took Hiruzen and Orochimaru to do so, and it is confirmed Tobirama has more chakra than Hiruzen. u.u

No bro he is right. Even right now the Senju bros cannot reveal their true power, especially Tobirama, who we hardly seen any from.

And isn't it confirmed he also has more chakra than Tsunade and Minato also? lol.

 

[Gold Lightning]

"Hiruzen was stated to be the strongest one among them all"
Then it shows his HOkage statue, not tell me, is that not an implication that he's stronger than all the other Hokage...? Plus, he was even hailed as God of Shinobi, I guess it's all about interpretation I suppose...
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I said you should question some things, I never said it'd need to be spoon fed to me, you can't sit here and say that Kishimoto doesn't need to justify the things he decides to put in the manga, and expect us to either "get it," or to blindly follow along, that's BS (in my opinion), things need to be explained, saying the manga isn't for them is kind of right, but you can't say they don't deserve justification.
Sound argument on the Orochimaru matter though, props.

In terms of databoos scores I don't think he needs to justify anything (well at least not everything). Other things yes maybe, but databook no.

It is about interpretation, I personally think Kishi just did that to make for an epic wallpaper lol. What I do know is that in his prime the 1st 2 Hokages had already died.

Is there any score you don't agree with at all that you think makes 0 sense because I can't